Another Millionaire's Row mansion to be TORN DOWN

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John Henry

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And surprise, Gannon is not the culprit this time.
Tear old Erie down and put in asphalt lots and more shitty buildings.

Meanwhile Charleston, South Carolina is mobbed by tourists drawn to its beautiful architecture. http://www.charleston.com/

Can't stop progress. Stick a fork in Erie - Y'all are done.
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When I arrived in Erie circa 1992, I lived on 11th and Raspberry. One of my fondest memories was my beautiful Bohemian girlfriend waking me up at the crack of dawn, after an icestorm. We walked arm in arm down 6th street, along millionaires row. The trees looked like crystal chandeliers. It was unearthly quiet, you could feel he eyes of ghosts upon you as you strolled along through the mists of history. I had never walked through so much elegance and style in all my 27 years in Pittsburgh. This is sad.
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Sep 24, 2013
 
Tim Leary wrote:
When I arrived in Erie circa 1992, I lived on 11th and Raspberry. One of my fondest memories was my beautiful Bohemian girlfriend waking me up at the crack of dawn, after an icestorm. We walked arm in arm down 6th street, along millionaires row. The trees looked like crystal chandeliers. It was unearthly quiet, you could feel he eyes of ghosts upon you as you strolled along through the mists of history. I had never walked through so much elegance and style in all my 27 years in Pittsburgh. This is sad.
see the blight you brought to erie..movevaway beforeb its all gone
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Sep 24, 2013
 
Tim Leary wrote:
When I arrived in Erie circa 1992, I lived on 11th and Raspberry. One of my fondest memories was my beautiful Bohemian girlfriend waking me up at the crack of dawn, after an icestorm. We walked arm in arm down 6th street, along millionaires row. The trees looked like crystal chandeliers. It was unearthly quiet, you could feel he eyes of ghosts upon you as you strolled along through the mists of history. I had never walked through so much elegance and style in all my 27 years in Pittsburgh. This is sad.
Nice memory!:)
John Henry

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329 West 6th Street was purchased by the adjacent property owner to the east. They are going to destroy a perfectly good mansion so they can have a bigger yard.

Sad.
tyred

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Sep 24, 2013
 
Gee, Rich People are obnoxious jerks not concerned with the greater public good.... Who would have thought ??
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Sep 24, 2013
 
Another "Non-profit" purchasing property and thus eroding Erie's tax base further?
Bankruptcy like Detroit......on it's way.
Tim Leary

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Sep 24, 2013
 
It is amazing these places aren't protected as historic landmarks
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tyred wrote:
Gee, Rich People are obnoxious jerks not concerned with the greater public good.... Who would have thought ??
Maybe people who want to spend their money feel what they spend it on & what they do with what they bought is their business.
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Sep 24, 2013
 
Tim Leary wrote:
When I arrived in Erie circa 1992, I lived on 11th and Raspberry. One of my fondest memories was my beautiful Bohemian girlfriend waking me up at the crack of dawn, after an icestorm. We walked arm in arm down 6th street, along millionaires row. The trees looked like crystal chandeliers. It was unearthly quiet, you could feel he eyes of ghosts upon you as you strolled along through the mists of history. I had never walked through so much elegance and style in all my 27 years in Pittsburgh. This is sad.
Try that walk today & chances are you will get mugged!
John Henry

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Honest American wrote:
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Maybe people who want to spend their money feel what they spend it on & what they do with what they bought is their business.
Wrong. They are destroying a century-old part of Erie's history. This isn't 20 acres in some far away township. Millionaires Row is the sum of its parts, once it is degraded it is diminished in character and value. Look at the United Way building. It's grotesque. It devalued all the properties around it. It's like the Joe Palermo effect.

The doctor that bought the house and let it deteriorate for 4 long years has already looted it. He'll have spent over $150,000 just to begin to make a bigger yard.

Color me impressed.

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John Henry wrote:
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Wrong. They are destroying a century-old part of Erie's history. This isn't 20 acres in some far away township. Millionaires Row is the sum of its parts, once it is degraded it is diminished in character and value. Look at the United Way building. It's grotesque. It devalued all the properties around it. It's like the Joe Palermo effect.
The doctor that bought the house and let it deteriorate for 4 long years has already looted it. He'll have spent over $150,000 just to begin to make a bigger yard.
Color me impressed.
Once Millionaires row is degraded? It has been the favored locale for a Frat House,Rental properties, Triple AAA, the Museum ,Lawyers offices , hoodlum robberies & of course Gannon college which have all degraded or at least transformed the collective value for at least 50 years.Degradation is well advanced as to aesthetic value of this "historic" area from the bygone days o fErie.
You believe these old warhorses should be set aside as something of historical value?.....then you buy them & donate them to the historical society providing of course yearly funding to maintain them & pay to the city/county an equivalent sum to offset the loss in taxation.
Failing that, understand when someone buys a property , it is theirs to renovate or replace as they see fit.
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Once Millionaires row is degraded? It has been the favored locale for a Frat House,Rental properties, Triple AAA, the Museum ,Lawyers offices , hoodlum robberies & of course Gannon college which have all degraded or at least transformed the collective value for at least 50 years.Degradation is well advanced as to aesthetic value of this "historic" area from the bygone days o fErie.
You believe these old warhorses should be set aside as something of historical value?.....then you buy them & donate them to the historical society providing of course yearly funding to maintain them & pay to the city/county an equivalent sum to offset the loss in taxation.
Failing that, understand when someone buys a property , it is theirs to renovate or replace as they see fit.
Thank you for agreeing with me that destroying the original Millionaire's Row buildings does degrade the National Register Historic District - which is still quite significant.

As a property owner of one of the houses IN the Historic District, and as one of the people who has meticulously RESTORED a house in the District, I don't need someone to tell me how I need to donate this or do that. I've already done my part and I have a right to speak out about people who are compromising the character of the Historic District.

The building in question could be restored and used as a house again or continue to be used as a law office. Any income producing property in the District is eligible to receive a 20% tax credit if it is rehabilitated. But this arrogant Doctor is going to rip it down.

Just because you have money doesn't make what you do right, proper, or intelligent. It just means you have money to throw away.

I have a right to do a lot of things, but the restraint I show or the class I exhibit is more important to me and my reputation than showing people how much money I have.
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John Henry wrote:
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Thank you for agreeing with me that destroying the original Millionaire's Row buildings does degrade the National Register Historic District - which is still quite significant.
As a property owner of one of the houses IN the Historic District, and as one of the people who has meticulously RESTORED a house in the District, I don't need someone to tell me how I need to donate this or do that. I've already done my part and I have a right to speak out about people who are compromising the character of the Historic District.
The building in question could be restored and used as a house again or continue to be used as a law office. Any income producing property in the District is eligible to receive a 20% tax credit if it is rehabilitated. But this arrogant Doctor is going to rip it down.
Just because you have money doesn't make what you do right, proper, or intelligent. It just means you have money to throw away.
I have a right to do a lot of things, but the restraint I show or the class I exhibit is more important to me and my reputation than showing people how much money I have.
Aside from your laudable efforts & the fact this home could be renovated if the owner so chose.....
1. Since the owner wants to do some else with the property , who are you or anybody to tell him no, you cannot.
2. Why did not some restorationist buy the property & do what you propose.
3. What city or state ordinance exists which gives you the right to determine what compromises the character of a district historic or otherwise & to speak out against the land owner to develop his property as he chooses.
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Sep 26, 2013
 
from:http://www.nps.gov/nr/faq .htm
What are the restrictions, rules, regulations for historic property owners?
From the Federal perspective (the National Register of Historic Places is part of the National Park Service), a property owner can do whatever they want with their property as long as there are no Federal monies attached to the property. You can find this on our website at:
http://www.nps.gov/history/nr/national_regist...
However, before this occurs, you can, or the property owner should contact the State historic preservation office (SHPO.) The SHPO is the state agency that oversees historic preservation efforts in their state. There may be state or local preservation laws that they should be aware of before they undertake a project with a historic property.
You can find contact information for the SHPOs at:
http://www.nps.gov/history/nr/shpolist.htm
If Federal monies are attached to the property then any changes to the property have to allow the Advisory Council on Historic Preservation ( www.achp.gov ) to comment on the project.

You can also read a copy of the National Register of Historic Places code of Federal regulations at: http://www.nps.gov/history/nr/regulations.htm
You can also find general information for owners at:
http://www.nps.gov/history/nr/national_regist...
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who is going to feed the termites ?

where will the rats and snakes go to live

when the rats are gone what are the poor people going to eat

Where will the weird neighbors have sex with their dogs and homosexual partners !

leave it and they will stay
John Henry

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Sep 26, 2013
 
Honest American wrote:
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Aside from your laudable efforts & the fact this home could be renovated if the owner so chose.....
1. Since the owner wants to do some else with the property , who are you or anybody to tell him no, you cannot.
2. Why did not some restorationist buy the property & do what you propose.
3. What city or state ordinance exists which gives you the right to determine what compromises the character of a district historic or otherwise & to speak out against the land owner to develop his property as he chooses.
This nation has afforded me with Freedom of Speech - secured and defended by my ancestors - which I will exercise to condemn the actions of this individual. I will also boycott him and his associates and urge others to do the same.

And I don't need an ordinance to determine the negative impacts of his actions. The building will be demolished and the property will be nearly worthless in terms of tax assessment. That's over $3,500 in taxes this community will lose. The building is a part of history that is irreplaceable. No rational person would say its destruction enhances the district.

My hope is that your neighbor builds something hideous next to your house that irritates you every day and devalues your property. People of your mindset deserve it.
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This nation has afforded me with Freedom of Speech - secured and defended by my ancestors - which I will exercise to condemn the actions of this individual. I will also boycott him and his associates and urge others to do the same.
And I don't need an ordinance to determine the negative impacts of his actions. The building will be demolished and the property will be nearly worthless in terms of tax assessment. That's over $3,500 in taxes this community will lose. The building is a part of history that is irreplaceable. No rational person would say its destruction enhances the district.
My hope is that your neighbor builds something hideous next to your house that irritates you every day and devalues your property. People of your mindset deserve it.
1.You think freedom of speech is a constitutional right to speak out against your neighbor because he did not consult you about what he wishes to do with his own property?
2.City ordinances are trumped by your personal beliefs?...at least when it applies to your neighbors.
3.No building is irreplaceable!.....take a pail of water, stick your hand in it quickly & remove it. The size of the hole left in the water determines how much any building in your neighborhood is going to be missed......bigger the hole the more it will be missed.
4.No rational person would say its destruction enhances the district? I assume you mean by your selfish interpretation. Not knowing what the building in question looks like , I cannot say but given your diatribe, many rational people would say you should mind your own business.
5.So you plan to boycott the doctor & his associates?.....I`ll bet he is quite relieved to hear that.
6.You hope something hideous is built next to my house which irritates me everyday & devalues my property? This is why we have building codes.....If it meets code specifications , I have no recourse legal or otherwise.
7.I seriously doubt a larger lawn is by any definition hideous, given your obsessive pre-occupation with what your neighbor does.....with luck the good doctor is a Psychiatrist & you will not have to travel far for treatment.
8. When I was a lad & we had neighborhood grinch`s who always had their noses in other peoples business,we knew how to deal with them around halloween......better watch out!
John Henry

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Honest American wrote:
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1.You think freedom of speech is a constitutional right to speak out against your neighbor because he did not consult you about what he wishes to do with his own property?
2.City ordinances are trumped by your personal beliefs?...at least when it applies to your neighbors.
3.No building is irreplaceable!.....take a pail of water, stick your hand in it quickly & remove it. The size of the hole left in the water determines how much any building in your neighborhood is going to be missed......bigger the hole the more it will be missed.
4.No rational person would say its destruction enhances the district? I assume you mean by your selfish interpretation. Not knowing what the building in question looks like , I cannot say but given your diatribe, many rational people would say you should mind your own business.
5.So you plan to boycott the doctor & his associates?.....I`ll bet he is quite relieved to hear that.
6.You hope something hideous is built next to my house which irritates me everyday & devalues my property? This is why we have building codes.....If it meets code specifications , I have no recourse legal or otherwise.
7.I seriously doubt a larger lawn is by any definition hideous, given your obsessive pre-occupation with what your neighbor does.....with luck the good doctor is a Psychiatrist & you will not have to travel far for treatment.
8. When I was a lad & we had neighborhood grinch`s who always had their noses in other peoples business,we knew how to deal with them around halloween......better watch out!
Numbering your rant doesn't make it more coherent. In fact, nothing really would.
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John Henry wrote:
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Numbering your rant doesn't make it more coherent. In fact, nothing really would.
Perhap`s to you, but it does allow for a full assessment of your arrogance & intolerant attitude for the legal rights of those who choose to exercise them.
Actually your attitude is usually found in a sub division where there are restrictions as to your property & activities.
There is always some pompous ass who delights in telling other`s what they can & cannot do & patrol the neighborhood looking & hoping for infractions.

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