EMTA moving buses off Erie's State Street

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May 24, 2013
 
From the Times today:
"Erie Metropolitan Transit Authority officials announced plans today to move bus routes off State Street in downtown Erie."

Starting June 8, buses will no longer travel State Street between 10th and N Park Row (going North) and 4th & 10th going south.
Instead, buses will now be on Peach and French.
Let's think this through. Buses heading north will left turn on to 10th, then right onto Peach, right onto N Park Row and left onto State.
Heading south on State, buses will left onto 4th, right onto French, right onto 10th, and left onto State.
Anyone on a northbound who needs to catch a southbound will have to get from Peach to French.
One reason put forth on talk radio was the problem with the curb bump outs on State Street (gee, who da thought?).
What genius thought up this plan? Left turns from State onto 10th or 4th?
Please tell me how this (per the EMTA in the Times article) will "improve 'operations and to help mitigate congestion' on State Street"?
Enward Riggs

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#2
May 24, 2013
 
do chimps travel on the state street line any more ?
panini

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May 24, 2013
 

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just goes to show you the small minded thinking of our great minds in the sinking town. what real city that has mass transit does not have it go downtown on the main road? erie is a crap city that going down more and more.
wishing

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#5
May 24, 2013
 
wish they could reverse traffic direction around Perry Square so you only make right turns
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May 24, 2013
 
wishing wrote:
wish they could reverse traffic direction around Perry Square so you only make right turns
You mean like it used to be, before they screwed THAT up also?
The Incredible Hulk

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May 24, 2013
 

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yinz ever see those waiting for the bus or just using the bus stop as a shanty? this is part of the governer's 'beautify' the cities projects. are you all that dumb?
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May 24, 2013
 
Barney Franks peter wrote:
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The work is part of a $3.35 million
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started this spring that includes new sidewalks, curbs, landscaping and street lighting in the area, among other changes.
http://www.goerie.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article...
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federally funded, get it?
eerie union pigs will do anything for free money
eerie union pigs will import 1000 humans from the Himalayan mountains if it means their sinking ship stays afloat one more year.
Oh Please!
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#10
May 24, 2013
 
They want to get the bus riders away from the bike and street party crowd...somebody dainty must have complained.
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May 24, 2013
 
bing wrote:
They want to get the bus riders away from the bike and street party crowd...somebody dainty must have complained.
the mayor squats a harley right:) i agree!!
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May 24, 2013
 
The Incredible Hulk wrote:
yinz ever see those waiting for the bus or just using the bus stop as a shanty? this is part of the governer's 'beautify' the cities projects. are you all that dumb?
Hey idiot, it has nothing to o with the Governor. It is the Feds following the Agenda 21 plan. The Feds have their filthy hands into everything. Central planning for the brain dead.
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May 25, 2013
 
Irv wrote:
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Hey idiot, it has nothing to o with the Governor. It is the Feds following the Agenda 21 plan. The Feds have their filthy hands into everything. Central planning for the brain dead.
Regardless of which Government Government initiated Agenda 21.....some Political Hack or Committee of Hacks said OK. Community/central/urban planning by any name is yet another destination for College graduates with degrees in fields which upon graduation they find few jobs are available so they either teach or go into a Government job & become a political hack.
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Despite all the anger here, can anyone give one reason this isn't a good idea? State Street is the main corridor of downtown, but this move puts some foot traffic onto French and Peach Streets, both of which are one-way and more efficient for traffic. One block in either direction has no impact on riders so I don't see who is being negatively affected.
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May 26, 2013
 
Downtowner wrote:
Despite all the anger here, can anyone give one reason this isn't a good idea? State Street is the main corridor of downtown, but this move puts some foot traffic onto French and Peach Streets, both of which are one-way and more efficient for traffic. One block in either direction has no impact on riders so I don't see who is being negatively affected.
How about seniors/disabled who might shop at Rite Aid/Dollar General, who now have to walk another three minutes to AND from the bus stops?
notall libs are idiots

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May 26, 2013
 
Downtowner wrote:
Despite all the anger here, can anyone give one reason this isn't a good idea? State Street is the main corridor of downtown, but this move puts some foot traffic onto French and Peach Streets, both of which are one-way and more efficient for traffic. One block in either direction has no impact on riders so I don't see who is being negatively affected.
It's not a good idea because it's not needed. They said they are doing it because of congestion, which is non-existent. I drove up and down State St. to see the congestion for myself, at two different times. There was none! Even at 4PM on a Friday afternoon, before a long weekend. I did however get stopped by five red lights between 5th St. and 18th. Retime the lights and eliminate left turns, and there will be no congestion at all. And there were buses stopping on all four of my passes up and down State.

The real reason that they are moving the buses is that they want to get rid of the bus stops which are used by the vagrants and homeless. Because the police don't want tobe bothered with rousting them. But, it would not be PC to admit that, so they gave "CONGESTION" as the reason. What a joke.
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Here's some of what ought to be done:

1) re-time traffic lights & put in 15 second counting crosswalks from 2/State to 26/State.

2) delivery trucks -- small trucks get 1 hour, large trucks 2 hours and any time needed after that, fine them $50 every half-hour -- put the money to MHA's warming center.

3) bump-outs could be put on 8/State & 9/State so the delivery trucks had a place to go.

4) put businesses and lighting on Peach & French Sts.

5) Repave State St. Give the crosswalks new paint. Heck paint the crosswalks fluorescent yellow, so drivers don't confuse their stop line, with that of the crosswalk.

6) install red arrow displays in stoplights so cars don't turn into pedestrians.

Buses help congestion. Imagine a bus line -- take M3 as an example -- if every bus rider had a car.....now THAT would be congestion.

True congestion is my chronic bronchitis when it's flaring.

This EMTA thing is indigestion.

Take away the Mayor's pet project -- Roar on the Shore --- for as long as he takes away our buses.
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Jun 13, 2013
 
dandelion wrote:
Here's some of what ought to be done:
1) re-time traffic lights & put in 15 second counting crosswalks from 2/State to 26/State.
2) delivery trucks -- small trucks get 1 hour, large trucks 2 hours and any time needed after that, fine them $50 every half-hour -- put the money to MHA's warming center.
3) bump-outs could be put on 8/State & 9/State so the delivery trucks had a place to go.
4) put businesses and lighting on Peach & French Sts.
5) Repave State St. Give the crosswalks new paint. Heck paint the crosswalks fluorescent yellow, so drivers don't confuse their stop line, with that of the crosswalk.
6) install red arrow displays in stoplights so cars don't turn into pedestrians.
Buses help congestion. Imagine a bus line -- take M3 as an example -- if every bus rider had a car.....now THAT would be congestion.
True congestion is my chronic bronchitis when it's flaring.
This EMTA thing is indigestion.
Take away the Mayor's pet project -- Roar on the Shore --- for as long as he takes away our buses.
Or sprinkle common sense fairy dust on 90% of the pedestrians that walk out into traffic and think you can stop on a dime.
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As long as you have people living in the city, you will have pedestrians and pedestrian problems.

We did want more people to come downtown right?

People =pedestrians

Acceptance is the answer to all my pedestrian problems today.
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dandelion wrote:
As long as you have people living in the city, you will have pedestrians and pedestrian problems.
We did want more people to come downtown right?
People =pedestrians
Acceptance is the answer to all my pedestrian problems today.
I have worked downtown for many years, always lived in the City of Erie, in near poverty when I was young, and have often taken the bus over the years if my car was unavailable. I never had a concern with the pedestrians and other people of all kinds downtown until the past few years, when it seemed that a whole new contingent of aggressive panhandlers, staggering drunks/druggies and hostile loiterers who blocked doors, glower at people coming out of buildings in business clothes, asking for spare change or repeating the same "I'm from out of town and my car ran out of gas" story and otherwise made it quite unpleasant to walk up and down State Street. Some would enter the building lobbies and often shout at each other or on phones while other people were trying to go about their business. I don't know how many of these people were actually waiting for the bus, and was surprised to learn that the bus routes would be changed, but the difference on State Street this week is impressive. There are still shuttle buses on State, but the groups of people who used the State Street shelters as a base for bothering others are gone. From what I see on French and Peach Street, bus riders are picked up and dropped off regularly, with few or no loiterers hanging around there. Yes the elderly and disabled have to go a block away from State Street, but if they are getting downtown in the first place, why would that be a major problem? Appears to be a good move to make downtown Erie a better place as well as a more efficient bus system.
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Jun 14, 2013
 
Downtowner wrote:
<quoted text>I have worked downtown for many years, always lived in the City of Erie, in near poverty when I was young, and have often taken the bus over the years if my car was unavailable. I never had a concern with the pedestrians and other people of all kinds downtown until the past few years, when it seemed that a whole new contingent of aggressive panhandlers, staggering drunks/druggies and hostile loiterers who blocked doors, glower at people coming out of buildings in business clothes, asking for spare change or repeating the same "I'm from out of town and my car ran out of gas" story and otherwise made it quite unpleasant to walk up and down State Street. Some would enter the building lobbies and often shout at each other or on phones while other people were trying to go about their business. I don't know how many of these people were actually waiting for the bus, and was surprised to learn that the bus routes would be changed, but the difference on State Street this week is impressive. There are still shuttle buses on State, but the groups of people who used the State Street shelters as a base for bothering others are gone. From what I see on French and Peach Street, bus riders are picked up and dropped off regularly, with few or no loiterers hanging around there. Yes the elderly and disabled have to go a block away from State Street, but if they are getting downtown in the first place, why would that be a major problem? Appears to be a good move to make downtown Erie a better place as well as a more efficient bus system.
Bullsh*t! You sound like the people who say that the buses are always empty. The buses have grown more and more packed, people can't afford cars around here anymore.

You don't actually ride the buses so you don't know a damn thing.
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Jun 14, 2013
 
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Bullsh*t! You sound like the people who say that the buses are always empty. The buses have grown more and more packed, people can't afford cars around here anymore.
You don't actually ride the buses so you don't know a damn thing.
So what exactly is your problem with the change? Are the buses any more crowded with the move to French and Peach? Do you take the bus to work, shopping or other business, Or do you just come downtown to bother people?

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