GE union workers
many

Oil City, PA

#1 Jun 25, 2013
What are you winning?

What leverage do you have?
Whatever

Erie, PA

#3 Jun 27, 2013
many wrote:
What are you winning?
What leverage do you have?
Pretty quiet in here - the answer is a loud NOTHING
JLP007

Erie, PA

#4 Jun 27, 2013
And they've lost in the court of public opinion. Big change in this town, for sure.
Tired

Erie, PA

#5 Jun 27, 2013
JLP007 wrote:
And they've lost in the court of public opinion. Big change in this town, for sure.
No one is behind them this time.
Whatever

Erie, PA

#6 Jun 27, 2013
JLP007 wrote:
And they've lost in the court of public opinion. Big change in this town, for sure.
Don't blame the workers, it's a leadership problem!!!
Snuggle Bear

Edinboro, PA

#7 Jun 27, 2013
Erie has a 30%+ poverty rate. Erie is full of dimwits. At Christmas/Thanksgiving, the local news shows Erieites proudly standing in line at the Mission, sipping coffee, eating donuts and waiting to receive their free food basket. Erie is proud to be poor, proud to receive handouts, proud to work tourism/fast food jobs, proud to be uneducated!

Erie college graduates, the ones stupid enough or unfortunate enough to get stuck here, don't make $11/hr let alone $30. People working 2/3 jobs don't make $30/hr with benefits.

Of course no one is behind them this time. How dare those uppity GE workers not take a paycut and make $15/hr when most people in Erie don't make even that!?

*eye roll*

MisErie. JealousErie. ResentmentERie.
bob2345

Erie, PA

#8 Jun 27, 2013
Snuggle Bear wrote:
Erie has a 30%+ poverty rate. Erie is full of dimwits. At Christmas/Thanksgiving, the local news shows Erieites proudly standing in line at the Mission, sipping coffee, eating donuts and waiting to receive their free food basket. Erie is proud to be poor, proud to receive handouts, proud to work tourism/fast food jobs, proud to be uneducated!
Erie college graduates, the ones stupid enough or unfortunate enough to get stuck here, don't make $11/hr let alone $30. People working 2/3 jobs don't make $30/hr with benefits.
Of course no one is behind them this time. How dare those uppity GE workers not take a paycut and make $15/hr when most people in Erie don't make even that!?
*eye roll*
MisErie. JealousErie. ResentmentERie.
They weren't asking for a pay cut, Snuggle, just a freeze like most people have experienced. I know you have to be defensive because you gave away those good jobs. But in this case, the emperor truly has no clothes. You just don't realize it yet.
Snuggle Bear

Erie, PA

#9 Jun 27, 2013
bob2345 wrote:
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They weren't asking for a pay cut, Snuggle, just a freeze like most people have experienced. I know you have to be defensive because you gave away those good jobs. But in this case, the emperor truly has no clothes. You just don't realize it yet.
I don't work at GE. I went to college and earned a degree. I've been back in Erie for more than 10 years now and nothing has changed for the better, just worse. Yeah, we got some shiny new curb bump outs and Perry Square pillars, but the interior continues to decay.
bob2345

Erie, PA

#10 Jun 27, 2013
Snuggle Bear wrote:
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I don't work at GE. I went to college and earned a degree. I've been back in Erie for more than 10 years now and nothing has changed for the better, just worse. Yeah, we got some shiny new curb bump outs and Perry Square pillars, but the interior continues to decay.
I'm happy for you, but don't try to fight other people's battles when you don't have your facts straight. Nobody was talking pay cuts.
Nasty

Erie, PA

#11 Jun 27, 2013
JLP007 wrote:
And they've lost in the court of public opinion. Big change in this town, for sure.
I bet everyone reading this would agree that the old saying " Don't put all your eggs in one basket " is a wise one. You all understand it too. Don't risk everything on any one thing.
And I bet somewhere in your life you've given this very same advice to others as it has stood the test of time. You've said it because you believe this to be true.
When it comes to actually following one's own advice and belief, many fail. In the case of GE and the loss of over 900 jobs, many will be befuddled as what to do next. They grew up confident that jobs will last for as long as they choose to work at that particular job. It's not that way anymore and hasn't been for a long time. The problem is Erie never got that message. Erie has long believed that the days of their fathers and grandfathers would continue forever. And now a lot of GE workers are completely stymied as to what they will do next. Unemployment compensation, while a temporary necessity is not a solid overall plan.
This latest episode should serve as a hard lesson to all that in today's world a person who wants to be successful and more secure in tough times must plan their course to be more versatile and flexible. They need to create options for themselves even during times when all seems to be cruising along well. Situations like GE can and will occur out of no where and people need to build an alternative plan in case these situations unfold. Sadly, so many in Erie scoff at that concept. They get a job that seems good and dependable only to be shocked into sheer panic with no escape route to carry them through. They'll struggle for a long time now.
It's probably too late for most directly affected by this latest episode. But it's not too late for all of us to teach our kids and get younger people to realize the great importance of higher education and the benefits of opening up a few options to help avoid what happens when you put all your eggs in one basket.
cecil jones

Erie, PA

#12 Jun 27, 2013
Corporate Greed. plain and simple.
cecil jones

Erie, PA

#13 Jun 27, 2013
Union Greed. plain and simple.
harry vulva

United States

#14 Jun 28, 2013
o cry baby erieites!you jealously hate anyone forunate enough to be able to work at g.e. did you or somebody in your family get fired from generous electric?do you hate your plastics shop job?are you that stupid that you sit behind your computer,in momma's cellar;picking your nose and pounding your baloney?you have that erie cry baby mentality,you jealous piece of --------!if i could see you all in person ,one at a time, i'd probably laugh so hard at what you do that i'd die from hysterics.i would find something wrong with everyone of you;no exceptions.i would find all kinds of crap on all of you .what makes you think your poop don't smell?
allen

United States

#15 Jun 28, 2013
the problem is the union had no leverage or negotiating power. They were being paid way too much for a unskilled job.

they had no choice but to give into the company's demands. GE can terminate them and hire new people. thats why this type of union dont work anymore, anyone can do the job. The only unions that can succeed are police, firefighters, pilots, ect. because it takes several months to several years to be trained.

teh union at ge shoulda conceded, now many people instead of going from $30/hr to 25/hr will be down to $7.95/hr for 6 months then $0.00/hr forever.

lesson learned for the union at ge.
Nasty

Erie, PA

#18 Jun 29, 2013
skip the pee pee wrote:
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Right you are. But I bet they'd also agree with "Fool me once shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me".
Let's have this conversation in a year sport. I somehow think GE is sandbagging and a year from now they'll magically discover they do have work after all. They've done it before.
While the GE situation is certainly the topic of the day, my recitation of the wise old saying " Don't put all your eggs in one basket. " applies well beyond the current GE mess.
You may be right about GE magically discovering more work in a year from now but that still doesn't address the foolish practices of so many Erie people who believe they can still get through 40 plus years with only one learned on the job skill at the same facility.
Those days have been over for a long time now and will never return. Sadly Erie remains stuck in the good old days mentality still clinging to the belief that once you're "in" somewhere you will always be there with little to no responsibility to change habits. That type of thinking has contributed mightily to what has permanently ruined Erie.
In that respect Erie is indeed guilty of putting all their eggs in one basket. When today's realities strike, as witnessed at GE, Erie people are horribly prepared to handle the crisis and bounce back on their feet let alone come out better than before. They are statistically under educated and far less versatile to put a viable alternative plan into action. Under employment is the usual track for people in Erie in these situations and very few would ever be so bold to entertain thoughts of moving to find greener pastures. And so they add themselves to the growing list of poorer and bitter Erie folk.
This has happened time and time again and probably always will. You'd think people here would finally figure that out but I don't think they are capable of that anymore.
grasshopper

Erie, PA

#20 Jul 1, 2013
i am a 506 member.... before i get going my grammer suck... okay my opinion.. union done right as far i am concern.. first, i have work over 20 yrs at ge..i seen where ge came to the worker and preach about we become a team.. become better, provide top workmanship.. become #1 and we did all of this... we build today the best locomotives...
they came up with different programs and they all fail.. the worst is the one we have to live with today.. it's called lean.. what a joke this is.. they can not get the parts on the floor on time.. i have seen all the locomotive at the end of the year label ship at the end of the year.. at one timewe had 45 locomotive in the rail yard ready for shipment only problem they all had to come back in for on big part to be installed.. that one part was a engine.... that was a joke i ever seen in my life the year end and lied about it... management has lied to corp and then cover up the lie...
ge has lied to the worker over the years.. they told everyone that the new plant in texas was an overload plant just there to take up the slack.. nothing to worry about.. grove city make the engines.. they have been non-union for over 30 yrs.. they were told what ever erie plant gets they will get the same.. they have become 601 ue local why because they got screw.. new worker that come in will no longer get a pension from ge... but we have a 50 billion dollars fund.. ge stop paying ito this account since 1980... but any new board of director serve two yrs walks away with 1 million dollar per yr pension.. but we have worker making less than 800 dollars per month on their pension...they build this company years ago..our ceo immelt got 27 million dollar bonus last yr.. we took a hit on our health care we now pay 5,000 dollars deductable thats equal to minus of 2.50 per hr.. ge worker may make 30 dollars but we are paying out on our helath care insurance per week my average is 165 dollars per week that 4.125 per hr
that is 6.625 per hr come out of my pay.. we pay a higher taxes, we give money to the communtiy in our united way program..
the sad truth about ge is this.. they get from the state of pa. and federal goverment grant money in millions of dollars...they demand lower taxes from our country govenemnt.. yet they are a billion dollar profit company... if they was a struggling company trying to keep their doors open i would say hell yes give them a break.. bottom line ge top dogs are looking out for them self.. more money the company makes.. more money they take home bouses... plain and simple that their bottom line.. top 10% are looking out for themself.. this is at the corp level.. many of us worker have ge stocks.. we own part of ge.. i have 350,000 dollars of stocks.. some worker has more and some has less
asdf

Erie, PA

#22 Jul 1, 2013
skip the pee pee wrote:
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Despite the bad grammar that was a very interesting post. Like you I put all my stock in GE in left it there on the mistaken belief that we are all a part of the GE family. I couldn't have been more wrong and you are too.
Since GE cares about stock not workers I challenge you and all other GE workers holding GE stock to dump it in favor of Caterpillar stock. Like I've said, from what GE management claims it seems clear they're playing follow the leader--GE no longer acting like a leader themselves.
Go with a winner. Dump GE. Buy CAT stock...or admit you support GE's BS narratives.
you dumping ge stock, is like ge pissing in the lake on their way out of erie...means nothing, does nothing.
Nasty

Erie, PA

#25 Jul 1, 2013
skip the pee pee wrote:
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And while GE laying off an employee means nothing to the company it means a lot to the individual.
And that is why, with the world so very different now than a few years ago, it's imperative that people realize the importance of working toward becoming more versatile and flexible in developing and improving their skills. Putting every egg in that one and only one basket today is an unwise plan. Betting all your chips on one single roulette number is eventually invites failure.
Having the ability to be more marketable and attractive as an employee at more than one company is a valuable quality to possess and certainly lowers the panic level when faced with a job crisis. The good old days of working 40 plus years some place without a thought of ever needing to consider other options is fast becoming extinct. Individuals have to start thinking and acting this way because they've got to look out for themselves first and foremost. Expecting your employer, especially the higher paying ones to care about you is sheer folly anymore. The bottom line is the bottom line and people need to wise up fast or else they're in for a very rude awakening. It's up to the individual to know that and prepare himself for today's reality.
It's survival of the fittest and those with better survival skills will come out ahead of those banking on things never changing. To ignore that truth opens the door for more personal disaster.
Nasty

Erie, PA

#27 Jul 2, 2013
skip the pee pee wrote:
<quoted text>Either all that or just become a good liar. GE has perfected the art of the deal.
People wouldn't have to put up with a company so perfect at lying if those same people didn't lock themselves into having to depend on one and only one employer.
Blaming GE is fine, it makes the displaced workers feel like the justified victim. I get that but only so much. You know full well, or at least should as a thinking individual, that trapping yourself in one single place and keeping your fingers crossed that no changes will ever occur is indeed a very dangerous rock to live under.
I bet most soon to be displaced workers have some type of life insurance policy. Most people, GE worker or not do. Why ? Why not just bank on the belief that you'll live forever or at least until dependants no longer need your financial support ? You know that answer as does everyone else. Even those who can't afford life insurance, they still believe it's a better idea to have it.
Same thing applies to one's working life. Believing that nothing will ever arise to upset the old applecart is taking a huge risk. Betting that your job will always be there for you, just as you want it to be until you decide to step away is living in fantasy land. Best not to fall into that out dated trap lest you find yourself among the lost and bewildered when today's realities strike.
But it is a lot easier to put total blame on an employer. The old saying "misery loves company" applies to Erie perhaps more than anywhere else. No wonder Erie continues to step into the same stinking pile over and over. Sad that very, very few can see that.

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