Lights coming on in vacant State Stre...

Lights coming on in vacant State Street storefronts

There are 13 comments on the Erie Times News story from Jul 1, 2014, titled Lights coming on in vacant State Street storefronts. In it, Erie Times News reports that:

Debbie Blieley, owner of Impromptu in the Renaissance Centre at 1001 State St., cringes when she thinks about the empty storefronts that dot the State Street business district.

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YAWN

Erie, PA

#1 Jul 1, 2014
yawn. funny how blieley complains about dollar stores. better to stay empty then a well maintained dollar store. erie "snobs" kill me.
champale chlamydia

Port Clinton, OH

#2 Jul 1, 2014
Erie didnt die...it committed suicide..
Mike

Buffalo, NY

#3 Jul 1, 2014
While things north of 6th on State Street look promising there are a number of social service issues south of 6th that discourage commercial and upscale residential development. Look forward to seeing the master plan. Perhaps it can breathe some life into the Mercantile and 12th & Peach locations once people know the possibilities.
Nasty

Canton, OH

#4 Jul 1, 2014
YAWN wrote:
yawn. funny how blieley complains about dollar stores. better to stay empty then a well maintained dollar store. erie "snobs" kill me.
Apparently Erie's definition of a vibrant downtown is a plethora of dollar discount stores.
When you attempt to rationalize low quality products, low skilled and minimum wage jobs because little else has any chance of flourishing in your downtown shopping district then there is no hope for any real sustained revitalization and growth. Outside business leaders know this from minute one yet Erie people actually believe they can entice them to come here ! That's beyond ignorance, it's insane.
Here's hoping Erie gets all the low quality it desires as it continues to accept and rationalize it's self induced blight.
champale chlamydia

Port Clinton, OH

#5 Jul 1, 2014
Mike wrote:
While things north of 6th on State Street look promising there are a number of social service issues south of 6th that discourage commercial and upscale residential development. Look forward to seeing the master plan. Perhaps it can breathe some life into the Mercantile and 12th & Peach locations once people know the possibilities.
that area of erie is terminal with sickle cell anemia. RIP
YAWN

Erie, PA

#6 Jul 1, 2014
Nasty wrote:
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Apparently Erie's definition of a vibrant downtown is a plethora of dollar discount stores.
When you attempt to rationalize low quality products, low skilled and minimum wage jobs because little else has any chance of flourishing in your downtown shopping district then there is no hope for any real sustained revitalization and growth. Outside business leaders know this from minute one yet Erie people actually believe they can entice them to come here ! That's beyond ignorance, it's insane.
Here's hoping Erie gets all the low quality it desires as it continues to accept and rationalize it's self induced blight.
I count 3 dollar stores in Downtown Erie. Dollar General on lower and upper State, and Family Dollar on E 12th St. Many, many more bars than that, but we don't complain about cheap liquor do we?

Who the f cares about what kind of retail stores come to Erie, retail is low paying regardless. The cashier, excuse me, associate, at Macy's is getting the same minimum or slightly above min wage that the cashier at Dollar General is getting. The cashier at Macy's just gets to dress nicer and pretend that they make that much more money.

Retail, bars, hotels and restaurants are not going to supply the jobs that Erie needs to stop the hemorrhaging so who cares if we get another Target, Walmart, Nordstrom or Barneys. Same made in China shlt, just in a prettier package.

People around here are too focused on the wrong things. Who gives a shlt about some new downtown bar, restaurant, dollar store, etc. We need more ideas like the rail terminal, technology, medicine, etc. If Erie is swirling the drain, it isn't because of some discount store, we've always had Woolworths, D&K, McCroreys, Value City, GC Murphy, whatever. And Erie had plenty of good paying jobs, as well.
Couture

Sharon, PA

#7 Jul 1, 2014
YAWN wrote:
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I count 3 dollar stores in Downtown Erie. Dollar General on lower and upper State, and Family Dollar on E 12th St. Many, many more bars than that, but we don't complain about cheap liquor do we?
Who the f cares about what kind of retail stores come to Erie, retail is low paying regardless. The cashier, excuse me, associate, at Macy's is getting the same minimum or slightly above min wage that the cashier at Dollar General is getting. The cashier at Macy's just gets to dress nicer and pretend that they make that much more money.
Retail, bars, hotels and restaurants are not going to supply the jobs that Erie needs to stop the hemorrhaging so who cares if we get another Target, Walmart, Nordstrom or Barneys. Same made in China shlt, just in a prettier package.
People around here are too focused on the wrong things. Who gives a shlt about some new downtown bar, restaurant, dollar store, etc. We need more ideas like the rail terminal, technology, medicine, etc. If Erie is swirling the drain, it isn't because of some discount store, we've always had Woolworths, D&K, McCroreys, Value City, GC Murphy, whatever. And Erie had plenty of good paying jobs, as well.
Apparently you haven't shopped at Barney's or Nordstrom. The products may be made in China, Indonesia, or another country known for producing textiles, but it definitely is not the same nor is it comparable to low quality apparel sold at the local discount stores. Now, if you are looking for the current Erie inner city clothing trend of dingy yellow sponge bob pajama pants and a brownish white oversized stained ridden tshirt, by all means Walmart is the place to go. That trend seems to appeal to both the men and women.
YAWN

Erie, PA

#8 Jul 1, 2014
Couture wrote:
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Apparently you haven't shopped at Barney's or Nordstrom. The products may be made in China, Indonesia, or another country known for producing textiles, but it definitely is not the same nor is it comparable to low quality apparel sold at the local discount stores. Now, if you are looking for the current Erie inner city clothing trend of dingy yellow sponge bob pajama pants and a brownish white oversized stained ridden tshirt, by all means Walmart is the place to go. That trend seems to appeal to both the men and women.
Duh! My point is what does it matter if another Walmart opens, or if Nordstrom opens, both will bring a bunch of low paying, part time jobs and sell a bunch of Made in China (where have the good jobs gone) junk. The concern needs to be with how does Erie get with the program and with the times and bring good paying jobs here. I used to get all worked up when a new retail, fast food joint came to town, but soon realized how ridiculous that is and how that is not the issue for Erie.
Nasty

Canton, OH

#9 Jul 1, 2014
YAWN wrote:
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Duh! My point is what does it matter if another Walmart opens, or if Nordstrom opens, both will bring a bunch of low paying, part time jobs and sell a bunch of Made in China (where have the good jobs gone) junk. The concern needs to be with how does Erie get with the program and with the times and bring good paying jobs here. I used to get all worked up when a new retail, fast food joint came to town, but soon realized how ridiculous that is and how that is not the issue for Erie.
I agree that Erie is desperately in need of many good paying jobs instead of the ever increasing number of minimum wage counter service positions cropping up around this area.
The cry for better paying, family sustaining jobs has been going on for a generation. It's been years of the same old refrain. But there's one huge problem that no one ever admits and will never be overcome.......... corporate leaders and business people in charge of companies, headquarters, etc. have no desire to set up shop in Erie, Pennsylvania.
When you have contacts in the larger business world you learn that Erie has forged for itself a terrible reputation. The stubborn mind set of resistance to change, the lack of enough qualified, skilled, and properly educated people in the local work force has made it's way through the ranks of those owners and decision makers who opt to take their business to far less risky venues. The fact that Erie still clings so strongly to it's union roots serves as a giant red flag to many corporations. They simply don't want those hassles.
Despite what Erie people may think about the weather, outside business owners and business big wigs do not find 5 months of winter and so many cloudy dismal days charming. We forget that their families must also become part of this community, kids attending the schools, and the spouses having to adjust to harsh conditions that depress them. I'm sure this seems incomprehensible to dyed in the wool Erie people but when you can choose a better year round climate and a location that isn't falling apart at the seams like Erie, you do just that.
Erie's upsides are extremely lacking compared to so many other sites.
It is very easy to chant that old mantra about needing good paying jobs. It's quite another thing to make Erie appear like a great place to settle. As I said earlier, those decision makers Erie wants to entice have already made up their minds about this deteriorating region. It's in their best interests to know these things well ahead of time. They're in the business to make money, not to cater to the needs of a hopeless mess.
everyone

Pittsburgh, PA

#10 Jul 1, 2014
Type till your arms fall off you frigging douche bag. Nobody gives a shit about the rantings of a perpetual blowhard.
Nasty

Canton, OH

#11 Jul 1, 2014
everyone wrote:
Type till your arms fall off you frigging douche bag. Nobody gives a shit about the rantings of a perpetual blowhard.
Ouch !!
drink mf drink

Erie, PA

#12 Jul 1, 2014
If frat boys and other drunks were the target demographic of the downtown drinkin district, then it a huge success.

What else does downtown now offer? Where would you take a visiting executive to dinner in downtown if you wanted them to come away impressed with Erie?

The city mission has succeed at attracting every derelict and mentally ill person between Buffalo, Pittsburgh and Cleveland.

Block parties, bike nights, and hallucinated progress. Time to end the downtown district's theft of money from downtown property owners.
Really

Erie, PA

#13 Jul 1, 2014
Nasty wrote:
<quoted text>
I agree that Erie is desperately in need of many good paying jobs instead of the ever increasing number of minimum wage counter service positions cropping up around this area.
The cry for better paying, family sustaining jobs has been going on for a generation. It's been years of the same old refrain. But there's one huge problem that no one ever admits and will never be overcome.......... corporate leaders and business people in charge of companies, headquarters, etc. have no desire to set up shop in Erie, Pennsylvania.
When you have contacts in the larger business world you learn that Erie has forged for itself a terrible reputation. The stubborn mind set of resistance to change, the lack of enough qualified, skilled, and properly educated people in the local work force has made it's way through the ranks of those owners and decision makers who opt to take their business to far less risky venues. The fact that Erie still clings so strongly to it's union roots serves as a giant red flag to many corporations. They simply don't want those hassles.
Despite what Erie people may think about the weather, outside business owners and business big wigs do not find 5 months of winter and so many cloudy dismal days charming. We forget that their families must also become part of this community, kids attending the schools, and the spouses having to adjust to harsh conditions that depress them. I'm sure this seems incomprehensible to dyed in the wool Erie people but when you can choose a better year round climate and a location that isn't falling apart at the seams like Erie, you do just that.
Erie's upsides are extremely lacking compared to so many other sites.
It is very easy to chant that old mantra about needing good paying jobs. It's quite another thing to make Erie appear like a great place to settle. As I said earlier, those decision makers Erie wants to entice have already made up their minds about this deteriorating region. It's in their best interests to know these things well ahead of time. They're in the business to make money, not to cater to the needs of a hopeless mess.
I agree you are spot on everything you said. I would like to add That people looking into the Erie area from another area say Rochester New York(example of a some what bigger city), Erie is not that attractive in many aspects. A lot of people need to move and live somewhere else in the country for awhile, go to Florida. you will not see Erie so much fun to live in, or a city going in the direction it needs to be going, hey slow progress is better then none. Erie is not on the up and up. It has a lot of crime all over, spreading to Millcreek and fairview etc. But the shooting and repeat offenders on the streets is actually incrediably out of control, even to people that live here. So I believe it starts at the top, get some good new blood. Not the good ole boy network, that simply is not effective in this city anymore.

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