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mom

Erie, PA

#1 Oct 18, 2012
Deadly force used to take down an armed man outside an Erie bar is justified according to the Erie County District Attorney.
Jack Daneri says evidence reveals Robert Rudolph had a gun on him inside Odis 12 on West 26th Street back on September 29th. Daneri says Rudolph took the gun out at least twice inside the tavern.
After Rudolph was asked to leave the bar, he reportedly pointed his handgun at people near the front of the bar.
That's when he was knocked to the ground in a choke hold by one of the people he pointed the gun at.
Rudolph died from lack of oxygen days later at St Vincent Hospital.
The gun taken from Rudolph was loaded with a round in the chamber.
No criminal charges were filed against the man who took Rudolph down.
Knuckles O Toole

Erie, PA

#2 Oct 18, 2012
mom wrote:
Deadly force used to take down an armed man outside an Erie bar is justified according to the Erie County District Attorney.
Jack Daneri says evidence reveals Robert Rudolph had a gun on him inside Odis 12 on West 26th Street back on September 29th. Daneri says Rudolph took the gun out at least twice inside the tavern.
After Rudolph was asked to leave the bar, he reportedly pointed his handgun at people near the front of the bar.
That's when he was knocked to the ground in a choke hold by one of the people he pointed the gun at.
Rudolph died from lack of oxygen days later at St Vincent Hospital.
The gun taken from Rudolph was loaded with a round in the chamber.
No criminal charges were filed against the man who took Rudolph down.
At what point was the gun no longer an issue? Did Daneri say?

PS hi mom!
Knuckles O Toole

Erie, PA

#4 Oct 18, 2012
Did Daneri or his people ask the person who applied the choke if at any point he realized that he had control of the gun guy, especially if he no longer held the gun?
Knuckles O Toole

Erie, PA

#5 Oct 18, 2012
Tim Leary is homeless wrote:
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Good calls all around.
Even the guy waiving the gun? Let me guess. You're an undecided voter too ;)
C'mon man

Ardsley, NY

#6 Oct 18, 2012
Knuckles O Toole wrote:
Did Daneri or his people ask the person who applied the choke if at any point he realized that he had control of the gun guy, especially if he no longer held the gun?
Stop whining, all your opinions have been heard prior to breaking news. It's over, let go nobody listens to techno,

Since: Apr 09

Erie, PA

#9 Oct 18, 2012
Knuckles O Toole wrote:
Did Daneri or his people ask the person who applied the choke if at any point he realized that he had control of the gun guy, especially if he no longer held the gun?
I don't give a **** if the gun was gone or not. The guy was crazy and dangerous........he's getting held down until the cops get there.(period)
Knuckles O Toole

Erie, PA

#10 Oct 18, 2012
[QUOTE who="C'mon man"]<quoted text>
Stop whining, all your opinions have been heard prior to breaking news. It's over, let go nobody listens to techno,[/QUOTE]
What whining? BTW I have a feeling Moby still listens to techno. Honestly, I would have choked that Mofo to death even if I knew I'd be charged. I just wouldn't lawyer up to have a go-between lie for me.

Don't get me wrong. I just want to know the law. It shouldn't be flexible. Just let me know when I can kill someone. Or in the case of Atkins, if I'm allowed to go back to verbally man up to a guy--then will be charged if I shoot him if he hits me.

In addition to Daneri's decision I'd like him to tell us when we are allowed to consistently kill people. I think I could get into working within the law. WTF is it? If you're black and live on the Eastside you're charged if you use a gun in any manner?
Knuckles O Toole

Erie, PA

#11 Oct 18, 2012
steve wrote:
Good ridance to bad rubbish..end of sentence.
Glad you said bad rubbish. We might have confused it with good rubbish.
Knuckles O Toole

Erie, PA

#12 Oct 18, 2012
ErinsMama wrote:
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I don't give a **** if the gun was gone or not. The guy was crazy and dangerous........he's getting held down until the cops get there.(period)
Would you say someone who chose to choke to death as opposed to controling without choking to death another was crazy or dangerous?
Knuckles O Toole

Erie, PA

#13 Oct 18, 2012
BTW was the choker's blood alcohol level checked?

Was he legally drunk or doesn't that matter as long as a jerk died whether necessary or not?

Again, don't get me wrong. If someone pulls a gun and I have control if I have my druthers he's dead right or wrong. I just wouldn't expect not to be at least charged if questions of my desire to punish a then unarmed man arose.

Who wouldn't want to punish such a jerk?

BTW part of the reason I question Daneri etc is because I can trust them about as far as I can throw Michael Joyce with 2 ECP guards going down on him.

Adkins was such a jerk and after backing up to voice his constituionally protected right to free speech--who then became a victim of assault and battery and was a legal gun holder--got railroaded.
Knuckles O Toole

Erie, PA

#18 Oct 18, 2012
Tim Leary is homeless wrote:
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No Mark. The decision to choke out the loser and the decision to not charge him.
Those were the only calls made.
Seriously, you atheists are damn slow.
People in the UFC get choked out all the time but nobody has ever died. I'm only asking if the killing was necessary or a bonus.

And I wonder if Daneri,the DA, the onlookers and even posters here know or even care about the distinction.
Knuckles O Toole

Erie, PA

#19 Oct 18, 2012
Tim Leary is homeless wrote:
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Right Mark, it's racist!!! Cite the identical situation where a black person was charged for the exact same thing.
Waiting...
Are you seriously asking me to cite a case where a black person killed someone they didn't have to? Open your eyes dude.
C'mon man

Ardsley, NY

#20 Oct 18, 2012
Knuckles O Toole wrote:
[QUOTE who="C'mon man"]<quoted text>
Stop whining, all your opinions have been heard prior to breaking news. It's over, let go nobody listens to techno,"

What whining? BTW I have a feeling Moby still listens to techno. Honestly, I would have choked that Mofo to death even if I knew I'd be charged. I just wouldn't lawyer up to have a go-between lie for me.

Don't get me wrong. I just want to know the law. It shouldn't be flexible. Just let me know when I can kill someone. Or in the case of Atkins, if I'm allowed to go back to verbally man up to a guy--then will be charged if I shoot him if he hits me.

In addition to Daneri's decision I'd like him to tell us when we are allowed to consistently kill people. I think I could get into working within the law. WTF is it? If you're black and live on the Eastside you're charged if you use a gun in any manner?
WOW, I don't think it's a black thing bro, but every case is different. This particular one did show reason for action against a threat to everyone there. I understand that they have nit disclosed reasoning, but there must have been one to not charge. And if you do find yourself in trouble I recommend you do get a Lawyer to lie, cause the police will lie for sure.
Owen Marshall

Erie, PA

#24 Oct 18, 2012
I wouldn't be surprised to see a Civil suit filed by Rudolph's family. Someone will want to make some money.
Knuckles O Toole

Erie, PA

#25 Oct 18, 2012
[QUOTE who="C'mon man"]<quoted text>
WOW, I don't think it's a black thing bro, but every case is different. This particular one did show reason for action against a threat to everyone there. I understand that they have nit disclosed reasoning, but there must have been one to not charge. And if you do find yourself in trouble I recommend you do get a Lawyer to lie, cause the police will lie for sure.[/QUOTE]
I don't know the racial make-up of anyone involved. I'd guess from your post it was a white dude that choked out a black dude. My point is that blacks are treated differently than whites regarding crimes. Perhaps justifiably so but that's the case none-the-less.

I don't know the circumstances. But if the dude dropped the gun AS they were going to the floor I'd say the choke out was overkill. Literally.

I'm additionally saying 2 things. 1, I don't trust the cops and or DA and 2, even if they thought the killing was sketchy--yet the crowd rallied behind the choker/killer--I could see podunk Erie cops saying it was fair game, getting tough on crime and all that shit.

Why would anyone believe the word of Erie cops? Lestat is stupid but that video of the bike cop breaking the kids balls for attempting to cross the street when the big bad cop said he shouldn't stands out in my mind. Glad it wasn't me.

Just riffin. You guys sort it out.
Knuckles O Toole

Erie, PA

#26 Oct 18, 2012
Owen Marshall wrote:
I wouldn't be surprised to see a Civil suit filed by Rudolph's family. Someone will want to make some money.
Even if your cynical view is right, they can't make money if what they claim makes no sense or isn't supported by the facts. Think OJ civil suit.
Knuckles O Toole

Erie, PA

#27 Oct 18, 2012
Tim Leary is homeless wrote:
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No loser. I'm telling you to back up your charge of racism by citing an identical case, one of self defense, where a black person was charged.
Still waiting...
First define the paramaters of "self-defense" and how you know if it applied in this case...because that's what the cops said doesn't cut it for me...even if in addition, Judge Joyce and 2 ECP guards swear to it.
Knuckles O Toole

Erie, PA

#28 Oct 18, 2012
BTW I'm curious how this case turns out so maybe I'll know what to get the ex for Christmas.

(***sounds of paper crinkling***)

OMG she's got a gun! Choke. Snap. Win!
white on white

Erie, PA

#29 Oct 18, 2012
Knuckles O Toole wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't know the racial make-up of anyone involved. I'd guess from your post it was a white dude that choked out a black dude. My point is that blacks are treated differently than whites regarding crimes. Perhaps justifiably so but that's the case none-the-less.
I don't know the circumstances. But if the dude dropped the gun AS they were going to the floor I'd say the choke out was overkill. Literally.
I'm additionally saying 2 things. 1, I don't trust the cops and or DA and 2, even if they thought the killing was sketchy--yet the crowd rallied behind the choker/killer--I could see podunk Erie cops saying it was fair game, getting tough on crime and all that shit.
Why would anyone believe the word of Erie cops? Lestat is stupid but that video of the bike cop breaking the kids balls for attempting to cross the street when the big bad cop said he shouldn't stands out in my mind. Glad it wasn't me.
Just riffin. You guys sort it out.
No race issue here. Just a punk white guy choked by a another white guy justifiably to stop a killing by the eventual victim.
Knuckles O Toole

Erie, PA

#30 Oct 18, 2012
white on white wrote:
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No race issue here. Just a punk white guy choked by a another white guy justifiably to stop a killing by the eventual victim.
I got no problem with that except for the idea of where the gun was while this was going on. I find it hard to believe that even someone drunk off his ass that had a gun in hand and was in a choke hold wouldn't have just reached up and shot the choker in the face.

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