GE Locomotive Plant in Ft Worth, Texas
Wallace Cleaver

Cleveland, OH

#21 Aug 29, 2012
state street stan wrote:
Food for thought .....
Once, Unionized worker once numbered about 39% of the private sector workforce but has steadily declined.
As of January 27, 2012 all of the American labor force only had union representation of 11.7%. when public sector employees "government workers" are taken out of the mix only 6.9% of private sector workers are unionized. That is only 1 out of about 15 workers!
Clearly the message being sent by Unions today is falling on deaf ears.......I think Union workers should find out why before trying to organize more non-members in drives where chances for success are slim to none.
Bring back the sweat shops. Import the Mexicans and Chinese. Relieve all of the health and safety standards so wrongly imposed on business. We need our Captains of Industry to have a fresh labor pool that will help drive out the remaining 6.9%.
Money

Killeen, TX

#22 Aug 29, 2012
state street stan wrote:
Food for thought .....
Once, Unionized worker once numbered about 39% of the private sector workforce but has steadily declined.
As of January 27, 2012 all of the American labor force only had union representation of 11.7%. when public sector employees "government workers" are taken out of the mix only 6.9% of private sector workers are unionized. That is only 1 out of about 15 workers!
Clearly the message being sent by Unions today is falling on deaf ears.......I think Union workers should find out why before trying to organize more non-members in drives where chances for success are slim to none.
Great, but they still make more and have a better retirement. The Unions are the only ones fighting to keep retirements for working people, the politicians arent.
state street stan

Franklin, PA

#23 Sep 2, 2012
Money wrote:
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Great, but they still make more and have a better retirement. The Unions are the only ones fighting to keep retirements for working people, the politicians arent.
If Union leadership actually worked for the benefit of their members instead of being a piggy bank for the Democratic Party ....maybe they could attract members & reverse the steady decline & begin to grow in influence & importance. Right now most Union leadership are willing puppets for the Democratic Party.
truth

Erie, PA

#24 Sep 3, 2012
state street stan wrote:
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If Union leadership actually worked for the benefit of their members instead of being a piggy bank for the Democratic Party ....maybe they could attract members & reverse the steady decline & begin to grow in influence & importance. Right now most Union leadership are willing puppets for the Democratic Party.
The union does work for its members. compare GE wages to Modern industries. The neocons are run by big business and the courts always rule in their favor. The non-union workingman is doomed.
Conservative

Erie, PA

#25 Sep 4, 2012
state street stan wrote:
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If Union leadership actually worked for the benefit of their members instead of being a piggy bank for the Democratic Party ....maybe they could attract members & reverse the steady decline & begin to grow in influence & importance. Right now most Union leadership are willing puppets for the Democratic Party.
If the unions spent half as much time on labor relations as they do collecting money for the Democratic Party line, they may actually have a use. God knows the Dems gotta get money from someplace. People on welfare aren't know for giving to compaigns. Of course we still need some limited private unions because owners and stock holders can be relentless, BUT there is ZERO need for Public Unions!

Thats why Texas is open for business and ranked #1 in the USA as the place to do business. Its cheap to do business there. This is so sad for Erie :(
Tacks Know More

Oil City, PA

#26 Sep 6, 2012
Conservative wrote:
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If the unions spent half as much time on labor relations as they do collecting money for the Democratic Party line, they may actually have a use. God knows the Dems gotta get money from someplace. People on welfare aren't know for giving to compaigns. Of course we still need some limited private unions because owners and stock holders can be relentless, BUT there is ZERO need for Public Unions!
Thats why Texas is open for business and ranked #1 in the USA as the place to do business. Its cheap to do business there. This is so sad for Erie :(
Well then you should start packing and book a flight to Texas.
Action required

Erie, PA

#27 Oct 5, 2012
Coming from a non-union shop to a union-shop is a transition. Better wages,benefits, and being able to work 40hours a week. Union workers are proud to be in a union that represents them. Unions are not perfect, but it is better than being a non=union worker and standing alone. I can tell you this from my own experience.
State Street Stan

United States

#28 Oct 5, 2012
Action required wrote:
Coming from a non-union shop to a union-shop is a transition. Better wages,benefits, and being able to work 40hours a week. Union workers are proud to be in a union that represents them. Unions are not perfect, but it is better than being a non=union worker and standing alone. I can tell you this from my own experience.
So your Union has been great for you .....Good! Now explain why Union Membership has fallen from about 37% of the work force to less then 7%....Note! Unionized public workers will raise that to about 11% but were not part of the 37% in the Unions heyday.Might as well compare apples to apples for fairness.
I have nothing against Unions , just the Thugs & Slugs running them & the fact these people are spending Union dues to support the agenda of the Democratic Party which a tbes tis supporte dby only about 50% of the Union members.
When Union leadership begins once again to work for the benefit of their membership instead of being a piggy bank for the Democratic Party.......Union Membership will begin to grow!
USA Declines

Erie, PA

#29 Oct 5, 2012
State Street Stan wrote:
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So your Union has been great for you .....Good! Now explain why Union Membership has fallen from about 37% of the work force to less then 7%....Note! Unionized public workers will raise that to about 11% but were not part of the 37% in the Unions heyday.Might as well compare apples to apples for fairness.
I have nothing against Unions , just the Thugs & Slugs running them & the fact these people are spending Union dues to support the agenda of the Democratic Party which a tbes tis supporte dby only about 50% of the Union members.
When Union leadership begins once again to work for the benefit of their membership instead of being a piggy bank for the Democratic Party.......Union Membership will begin to grow!
Why the membership decline?
Ronald Reagan fired the Air Traffic Controllers Union in a signal to business that they can do the same, pocket any profit, and donate to his causes. Business promptly did just that.
The largest supporter of this madness was Jack Welch at GE, who personally decimated the place for "quarterly performance goals" to appear fine to stockholders.

Jack got his money. Lost his reputation as a wife cheat, and apparently company cheat, when said wife exposed Jack's perks after retirement. They were removed by the Board after her public exposure of Jack Welching her. He Welched on Erie too.

Saddest of all.....this important topic is relegated to discussion on Topix....the only place in town for truth to expose itself.
State Street Stan

United States

#30 Oct 5, 2012
USA Declines wrote:
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Why the membership decline?
Ronald Reagan fired the Air Traffic Controllers Union in a signal to business that they can do the same, pocket any profit, and donate to his causes. Business promptly did just that.
The largest supporter of this madness was Jack Welch at GE, who personally decimated the place for "quarterly performance goals" to appear fine to stockholders.
Jack got his money. Lost his reputation as a wife cheat, and apparently company cheat, when said wife exposed Jack's perks after retirement. They were removed by the Board after her public exposure of Jack Welching her. He Welched on Erie too.
Saddest of all.....this important topic is relegated to discussion on Topix....the only place in town for truth to expose itself.
Actually the decline in Union Membership began in 1954 before Reagan was Governor of California let alone President. Reagan had nothing to do with Union Membership decline & was once President of the Actors Guild Union.
As for the firing of about 11,000 Air controllers by Reagan , there was a militant effort from the Union to dictate to the Government & Airlines how things were going to be or they would strike . As Federal Employees most Americans were in agreement essential services dictated no strike should be allowed & public opinion was on the side of the Government action to fire them.
The firing was a last chance decision because of the belligerant militancy of the Union who thought they had the Airlines over a barrel & were irreplaceable....clearly a wrong move & a situation where reasoned negotiation was a better choice.
Your comments this was a signal to business they could do the same, pocket the profits & donate to Reagan`s causes is just the product from the north end of a horse walking south.
Slim Shady

Erie, PA

#31 Oct 5, 2012
The reason Union membership declined in the 50's was the "red scare" led by Senator McCarthy. All unions were accused of being communists. In today's world after an organizing is finished and the workers vote the NLRB can delay counting the votes for years, in that time most of the workers have been fired for union activity or just quit because of the miserable conditions.
As for being a piggy bank for the Democratic Party, if you were a member of the union representing GE workers less than 1/2 of a penny per week from each member would go towards the PAC
State Street Stan

United States

#32 Oct 5, 2012
Slim ....That is 26 cents a year per employee! Do you actually believe that? Assuming 4000 members that amounts to $1040.00 for the PAC. In 2009 , the dues or were I believe $139.22 per member or $556,880.00 in total where did the other $555,840.00 go each year totaling $2,223,360.00 since then?
If you are interested ....I can get you a special deal on a bridge for sale up in NYC.
Slim Shady

Erie, PA

#33 Oct 5, 2012
Stan, all unions are required by federal law to keep track of how dues are spent,(collective bargaining, representation, administration, etc). In the 80's the Supreme Court heard the case of Beck vs CWA, seems Beck was upset that some of his dues dollars were being spent on political campaigns, and lobbyists . The court agreed with Beck and now agency fees are union dues minus what is spent on PAC.
As far as where is the rest of the money, all Unions have 3 levels, so when you pay dues a portion goes to the National Union, a smaller portion goes to the second tier and the rest stays with the local. Out of the locals slice there are salaries, upkeep to the hall, utilities, etc., and remember you are talking about a local with close to $20 million in the bank!!! Sorry about being long winded..... Tell you what... You can keep the bridge.
Unions are OVER

Erie, PA

#34 Oct 5, 2012
Tom wrote:
if our government wast ripping us off so bad, things wouldnt be so expensive that you would even need a union.
the upper management of GE pays themselves 9 figure millions, but they want you to work for $3.50 per hour.
f*ck them
I hardly think anyone at GE makes $3.50 per hour. More like $35 per hour. The union is only to protect the jobs of the union members, so that they cannot be fired for laziness, insubordination, and general dumbness. Unions are not a part of the modern work world. This is not the time of unsafe work conditions, when unions were needed and started. This is not the time of Upton Sinclair's "The Jungle". This is a time of modern leadership, modern thinking and everyone having a CAN DO and WILL DO attitude, instead of making many excuses as to why they can't or wont do something. Unions only make it easier for lazy people to continue being lazy and unproductive. With safety laws in place, there is no need for unions. It only makes everything higher for other people because union slacks demand more money, benefits, etc than all the other "unskilled laborers" who are slaving for nothing.
snag

Erie, PA

#35 Oct 6, 2012
Slim Shady wrote:
Stan, all unions are required by federal law to keep track of how dues are spent,(collective bargaining, representation, administration, etc). In the 80's the Supreme Court heard the case of Beck vs CWA, seems Beck was upset that some of his dues dollars were being spent on political campaigns, and lobbyists . The court agreed with Beck and now agency fees are union dues minus what is spent on PAC.
As far as where is the rest of the money, all Unions have 3 levels, so when you pay dues a portion goes to the National Union, a smaller portion goes to the second tier and the rest stays with the local. Out of the locals slice there are salaries, upkeep to the hall, utilities, etc., and remember you are talking about a local with close to $20 million in the bank!!! Sorry about being long winded..... Tell you what... You can keep the bridge.
Would have liked to see the union pour millions into unemployed members, shelters, kid's programs, food providers.Would have been a better way to spend monies then back Dem's or Repub's!!
st barts

Plymouth, MI

#36 Oct 10, 2012
snag wrote:
<quoted text>Would have liked to see the union pour millions into unemployed members, shelters, kid's programs, food providers.Would have been a better way to spend monies then back Dem's or Repub's!!
If you would truly like to help these people vote Democratic. It's that simple.
Knuckles O Toole

Waterford, PA

#37 Oct 10, 2012
st barts wrote:
<quoted text>If you would truly like to help these people vote Democratic. It's that simple.
Those idiots and you have been voting democrat for years. You truly need psychiatric help to deal with your insanity issues.
tx machinist

Dallas, TX

#38 Nov 5, 2012
I'm a machinist at the Fort Worth GE plant and was told today that we were getting all the production of a line ohv wheel assemblies. Hearing from the most of the other employees, it seems that pro union sentiment is in the minority here.
YeahOK

United States

#40 Nov 5, 2012
tx machinist wrote:
I'm a machinist at the Fort Worth GE plant and was told today that we were getting all the production of a line ohv wheel assemblies. Hearing from the most of the other employees, it seems that pro union sentiment is in the minority here.
That is as believable as you actually being from Texas
tx machinist

Dallas, TX

#41 Nov 5, 2012
You don't have to believe it but when we're making 700-800 106 wheel assemblies and Erie has to "move" those workers like we've been told by the management from Erie who have been visiting Texas the past couple of weeks, don't say you hadn't heard about it.

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