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Freed

Erie, PA

#21 May 18, 2012
Stu Pedaso wrote:
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No ding a ling I don't. But then I am not the one pushing the issue in front of everyone's nose all the time. Being a queer should be a non issue. If you want another man to stick his thing inside your butt..fine, but quit promoting it.
Whatever...you're boy Jesus presided over gay weddings. Now you'll need to find another excuse to deny people civil rights.
Stu Pedaso

Erie, PA

#22 May 18, 2012
Freed wrote:
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Whatever...you're boy Jesus presided over gay weddings. Now you'll need to find another excuse to deny people civil rights.
Sorry numbnut, Christ never presided over a gay wedding. Marriage is not a civil right stupid. Speaking of gays, isn't time for you to open wide for your daily George Soros feeding?
Freed

Erie, PA

#23 May 18, 2012
Did Glenn Beck have another shocking piece about George Soros today? He really seems to be mindfucking you at the moment.

And I will see your George Soros and raise you a pair of Koch brothers and about 19 other super rich assholes who fund just about every right wing super-pac. You patriotic tea party numbnuts out there protesting against their own government are just treasonous cowards.

Cowards that are practically falling over themselves to worship at the alter of a few rich pricks who use religion (the opiate of the masses) to convince people to vote against their own interests.

Read the original link I posted. There were same sex marriage rites recorded until the 18th century. All of them fully sanctioned and presided over by the Catholic-mutha-fucking Church.

And that's the story of how I just pwned your ass.
Freed

Erie, PA

#24 May 18, 2012
Cuz I brings the ruckus.
haha

Erie, PA

#25 May 19, 2012
The Soros references are only meant to imply, to those even more ignorant than myself, an awareness of a dark global conspiracy about which I can't be questioned.

And, it's easier to spell than Bildeberg.

#outed
Freed

Erie, PA

#26 May 19, 2012
haha wrote:
The Soros references are only meant to imply, to those even more ignorant than myself, an awareness of a dark global conspiracy about which I can't be questioned.
And, it's easier to spell than Bildeberg.
#outed
That's why I dress up as George Soros for Halloween...to scare all the little Republicans out there.
haha

Erie, PA

#27 May 19, 2012
Oops! BildeRberg! Gosh, that's like leaving one of the Os out of plywoOod! heehee.

#underpantsonbackwards
Freed wrote:
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That's why I dress up as George Soros for Halloween...to scare all the little Republicans out there.
Stu Pedaso

Erie, PA

#28 May 19, 2012
You liberal nutsacks are so simple. And rather easy to refute with reality and truth. Enjoy the eternity prepared for you.



May 19, 2012
Progressing toward Moral Darkness
By Gary Horne
A fashionable name for the left these days is "progressive." The use of this word hints that the progressive has already passed the rest of us and is moving on to some place where the normal rules of reality don't apply. Is it the Garden of Eden? Atlantis? Oz?

What will life be like in this destination? Will the moral standards be compatible with the society we want? How do progressive values compare with the traditional American ethical standards from the founding of the United States and from the major religions?

From the Founding:

The moral underpinnings of the United States of America were beautifully and concisely expressed in the Declaration of Independence:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

Can we rely on the progressives to protect those unalienable rights derived from our nature as human beings? Will they uphold the standards in the Declaration of Independence: Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness?

Life - Progressives claim to be compassionate. Do the societies they create value life? Lenin's society didn't:

We would be deceiving both ourselves and the people if we concealed from the masses the necessity of a desperate, bloody war of extermination, as the immediate task of the coming revolutionary action.i

Nor did Che Guevara's road to his ideal society:

What we affirm is that we must proceed along the path of liberation even if this costs millions of atomic victims... advancing fearlessly towards the hecatomb which signifies final redemption.ii

No wonder leftists like to call themselves a different name. The progressive label obscures any link to past disasters. "Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot -- oh, no, that's not us! We progressives will be a kindly wizard, not the Wicked Witch of the West. Our society will be different."

Even if progressives avoid a hard-left turn, they have not been a kindly wizard on the way to their destination. Hatred, vitriol, and even death threats have been used against those who oppose them. Targets have included Sarah Palin, Rush Limbaugh, the Koch brothers, Joe the Plumber, President Bush, Laura Bush, Gov. Scott Walker, Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas, Rep. Michele Bachmann, and, of course, the Tea Party. If you are not one of the progressives, or willing to submit, you are the enemy.

Liberty - The progressive movement uses government to solve problems, inevitably leading to coercive policies. The Revolutionary War was fought in opposition to, among other things, the aptly named Coercive Acts. The left now have their "coercive acts," such as the 2,700-page ObamaCare and the 848-page Dodd-Frank Act. Coercion extents into the smallest details of daily life: the regulation of lemonade stands, children's school lunches, what light bulb and what kind of car you can buy.

For the progressive, every problem in life (they are always finding new ones) demands government action and new regulations. The progressive store coming to your community will be selling mostly ropes and chains. Mark Levin discusses the progressive's problems with liberty in his book, Liberty and Tyranny:

For the Statist, liberty is not a blessing but the enemy. It is not possible to achieve Utopia if individuals are free to go their own way. The individual must be dehumanized and his nature delegitimized.

The pursuit of Happiness - An individual pursuing his own happiness reveals qualities, like initiative, self-reliance, and desiring the fruits of his labor, which interfere with the progressive's plans.
Stu Pedaso

Erie, PA

#29 May 19, 2012
The progressive goal of equal outcomes requires restraint of the pursuit of happiness until everyone is happy (they never are). As long as the left discover someone who isn't happy (they always find such people), it would be "unfair" for the rest of us to pursue happiness. That, of course, requires restraint, coercion, taxation, and regulation -- only "temporarily," of course, while the progressive moves "forward."

From the Religions:

Huston Smith, in his book The World's Religions, lists four ethical rules common to all major religions: the prohibition of murder, thieving, lying, and adultery. How do the progressives do?

Murder was already covered under the topic "life," and adultery is best saved for a later (lengthy) discussion of social values. Congress might have settled for 2,700 pages, but this magazine's editors would not.

Thieving: The cornerstone of progressivism, the redistribution of wealth, is nothing more than government-sanctioned thievery, or more precisely extortion. That the thief can hide behind a third party, government, and claim to be the mere recipient of charity, does not change the fact that what is being received has not been given voluntarily. This alone, it would seem, would rule out any religious person being a progressive. A Christian, for example, would be violating two of the Ten Commandments: thou shalt not steal, and thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's house. But the progressive says, "We're only helping the poor!" Helping them to do what...be thieves, to spend the rest of their lives as the recipient of stolen goods?

Lying: If the progressives are to be believed, Speaker Pelosi was never briefed on CIA enhanced interrogation, Bill Clinton never had "sexual relations with that woman," John Edwards never had an affair with Rielle Hunter, Robert Bork was a segregationist, Elizabeth Warren is Native American, and John Kerry was in Cambodia in 1968.

If the current progressive hero (you know, the one who still had the perfect crease in his trousers after visiting all 57 states) is to be believed, the deficit would already be cut in half, the American people would have had five days to review bills before the president signed them, the border fence would be basically complete, Obama never worked for ACORN, Bill Ayers was just "a guy who lives in my neighborhood," and, of course, free enterprise has never worked.

If progressive politicians are to be believed, ObamaCare will reduce the deficit, cost less than a trillion dollars, lower insurance premiums, let you keep your current insurance, create 4 million new jobs, strengthen the private market, and make Medicare more financially sound. Medicare benefits won't be cut, no federal dollars will be used to fund abortions, and ("Are you serious?") ObamaCare on the whole is constitutional.

A bigger lie than all these, of course, is for a member of Congress to approve a bill that hasn't been read!

The left fail the ethical standards considered here. The evidence suggests that where the progressives are headed, not everyone's life is valued, there is little liberty, and the pursuit of happiness can be restrained for the "good" of others. In the progressive Whereverville, theft is government-sanctioned, and lying is merely a strategy to some end. These progressive "values" are fundamentally opposed to American values. The progressives seem to believe the perfection of their imaginary destination justifies whatever means can be used to get there.

To continue progressing on the current path is to descend into moral darkness. To paraphrase a line from the movie Cool Hand Luke: "What we've got here is a failure of values."
snag

Pittsburgh, PA

#30 May 19, 2012
Wow Stu, keep it simple like , grass, gas or as*.
After 50 ya' don't worry about as*, start pop'n Viagra!:>))
Freed

Erie, PA

#31 May 19, 2012
Funny how op-eds suddenly become facts in the eyes of a narrow minded clown with the intellectual curiosity of a rock.

I believe everyone who visits these forums could just repost other people's editorials and pass them as "facts" but at least some of your fellow right wing nutcases actually write something of their own.

Your values are not the same as everyone else's. When confronted with the heavily researched fact that the Catholic Church officiated same sex marriages until fairly recently, you're best comeback is "nuh-uh" and a cut and paste job of some vague hack op-ed.

I could cut and paste tons of articles and op-eds about the inherent contradictions in almost everything your conservaklansmen believe. But I don't because I have actual ideas of my own. Unlike you obviously.

Hey here's a little tid-bit for you...the founding father's were a bunch of college educated snobby liberals who specifically outlawed corporate and religious interference in governance. Luckily due to your crippling case of cognitive dissonance I don't think you can wrap your lizard brain around something so clearly true.

Since: Nov 07

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#33 May 21, 2012
Freed wrote:
Your values are not the same as everyone else's. When confronted with the heavily researched fact that the Catholic Church officiated same sex marriages until fairly recently, you're best comeback is "nuh-uh" and a cut and paste job of some vague hack op-ed.
Contrary to you attempt to have us believe that the garbage you posted was indeed fact, you are just posting another's thought as fact. These are merely someone else's opinions. As someone else posted, if you search, google, bing, yahoo enough, you can find other like souls whou share your same opinion.

You will gain more support if you post your opinions on a gay-lesbian-transgender site.

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