Don't show the police your ID

Don't show the police your ID

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Patton

Canton, OH

#1 Jun 27, 2013
If you are walking down the street in a law abiding manner, and the police demand your identification, do not show it to them. You have the right to politely decline their request or demand. If you aren't doing nothing wrong, and have not been suspected of committing a crime, you need to stand your ground, and protect your rights as an American citizen. During WWII, the Gestapo would demand that the Jews produce their appropriate paper work and if they didn't comply, it usually meant death. Protect our Constitution.
Sopper

Cleveland, OH

#3 Jun 27, 2013
Enward Riggs wrote:
obama's new police force lacks the ability to read anyways..they just like to flex their muscle. they are are pure muscle from the neck up.
Gotta be Crosby. You A-hole Dummy.
Honest Opinion

United States

#4 Jun 27, 2013
Patton wrote:
If you are walking down the street in a law abiding manner, and the police demand your identification, do not show it to them. You have the right to politely decline their request or demand. If you aren't doing nothing wrong, and have not been suspected of committing a crime, you need to stand your ground, and protect your rights as an American citizen. During WWII, the Gestapo would demand that the Jews produce their appropriate paper work and if they didn't comply, it usually meant death. Protect our Constitution.
In 25 states you have to show ID if requested . Pennsylvania is not one of the States requiring ID be shown for walking down the a street .....but they can detain you until your ID is established simply by stating you meet a description of a suspect.
For what it is worth both Ohio & New York demand you Produce ID is requested.
a decent job

Erie, PA

#6 Jun 27, 2013
Rigger Nortis wrote:
<quoted text>i carry a picture of obama in my pocket... we all look alike
We're never going to come to your town. There are far too many racist douche bags there for us to give it any consideration whatsoever.
Patton

Canton, OH

#8 Jun 27, 2013
The police can use the "you fit the description of a suspect" all day long and you still don't have to show them your id. I respect our law enforcement officials and do not hold any grudges against them. A lot cops use the "you fit the description of a suspect" more than they should so that people will give them their identification. If you haven't done anything wrong, you have the right to protect your identity. It's not about giving the police a hard time, it's about preserving our inalienable rights in our country. The police can't stop you because you look "suspicious."
Stu Pedaso

Warren, OH

#10 Jun 27, 2013
It's what you were doing just prior to assuming the 'law abiding' stride of a nincompoop that a cop would be interested in knowing. Go back to the jerk store.
Stu Pedaso

Erie, PA

#11 Jun 27, 2013
None of you fools should worry about a police state as long as we democrats run things. Those things are only bad if a republican is President.
wrdi

Erie, PA

#12 Jun 27, 2013
Patton wrote:
If you are walking down the street in a law abiding manner, and the police demand your identification, do not show it to them. You have the right to politely decline their request or demand. If you aren't doing nothing wrong, and have not been suspected of committing a crime, you need to stand your ground, and protect your rights as an American citizen. During WWII, the Gestapo would demand that the Jews produce their appropriate paper work and if they didn't comply, it usually meant death. Protect our Constitution.
What are you afraid of?
Are you wanted?
Didn't pay that child support?
Got an illegal gun in your pocket?
Or drugs?

Do what you want. If I am asked for ID, I will willingly give it to them. I have nothing to hide. And then I will be on my way while you are detained and put in cuffs.
Patton

Canton, OH

#13 Jun 27, 2013
It's people like you that have weakened the Constitution. It's the principle. Obviously your brain is too numb to comprehend this.
Peter DeSante

Canton, OH

#15 Jun 28, 2013
Millcreek police officers are notorious for violating people's constitutional rights.
wrdi

Erie, PA

#16 Jun 28, 2013
Patton wrote:
It's people like you that have weakened the Constitution. It's the principle. Obviously your brain is too numb to comprehend this.
Obviously I am not out wandering the streets at 3 am in the morning.

Plus I have better things to do than hassle the police and keep them from arresting real criminals like you.
Peter DeSante

Canton, OH

#17 Jun 28, 2013
wrdi wrote:
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Obviously I am not out wandering the streets at 3 am in the morning.
Plus I have better things to do than hassle the police and keep them from arresting real criminals like you.
Who said anything about hassling the police. Do you have a brain? Who said anything about wondering the streets at 3am? This topic is about protecting your rights.
Peter DeSante

Canton, OH

#18 Jun 28, 2013
wrdi, I respect your input and opinion, but I think this topic might be a little out of your spectrum of intelligence.
Fact checker

Erie, PA

#20 Jun 28, 2013
Patton wrote:
The police can use the "you fit the description of a suspect" all day long and you still don't have to show them your id. I respect our law enforcement officials and do not hold any grudges against them. A lot cops use the "you fit the description of a suspect" more than they should so that people will give them their identification. If you haven't done anything wrong, you have the right to protect your identity. It's not about giving the police a hard time, it's about preserving our inalienable rights in our country. The police can't stop you because you look "suspicious."
Haha yes they can its called.......a suspicious person and go ahead don't show them you'll be dale trained until identified and If u continue to refuse you'll be booked with contempt. Argue all you want but inevitably an innocent person cooperates and gets on with their life's no harm no foul.....yes police make mistakes you may fit a description when though you are not the one that committed any crime but unless you have worked your entire work career without making a mistake or holding true to your company's policy regardless of a plea from a customer your in the same boat as a police officer simply trying to do his job.....simply provide ID and move on
wrdi

Erie, PA

#22 Jun 28, 2013
skip the pee pee wrote:
Gee, first off, this is about the Alcoholic Beverage Control agents, not your local police.
Then lets move on to the other things the girl and her friends did wrong.

1: Started car when officers approached and drove off.

2: "She "grazed" two agents with her SUV, according to court records. She drove the SUV past the agents after her front-seat passenger, in a panic, yelled at Daly to "go, go, go".

Can you say "duh". If they had cooperated then they would have probably been on their way in no time.

I have never been stopped on the street and asked for ID because I am not doing suspicious things on the street, just like 98% of everyone else that has never been stopped and asked for ID.

Have you even ever been stopped for walking down the street like a normal person and asked for ID? If you have, did you then refuse to do so and just walk away?
Probably not.
You are probably just blowing smoke up everyone's ass trying to prove you are a tough guy.

You do what you want if it happens to you, I will do what I want. Simply being asked for ID is not unreasonable search and seizure. I don't have to be a moron to the police like you and complicate my or his life. I will do what they ask because I have nothing to hide and then let them get on to catching criminals. While you are in jail for obstructing, I will be home enjoying myself.

Even if I did nothing wrong and got hauled to jail, I am not going to give them any reason, like refusing to cooperate or fighting with them, to charge me with an actual crime. You may be innocent of what he suspects you of but if you refuse to cooperate or fight them, then they will have a reason to charge you with something. I would rather walk out the next day and then have a legal standing to fight a wrong arrest than incur other charges because I was a wise ass and fought with them over something stupid.

If you all don't like that, tough shit.
XXXXX

Linesville, PA

#23 Jun 29, 2013
What about the ahole State Police? They make up a reason to pull people over to see if they have been drinking. Very rude when they question you. The whole DUI enforcement has nothing to do with safety. It is a money maker for state and local cops. The whole checkpoint process is totally unconstitutional.
Peter DeSante

Canton, OH

#27 Jun 29, 2013
It's not about, "You should have nothing to hide" it's the principle of exercising your constitutional rights. The police can try to charge you with "contempt" and "disorderly conduct", but a judge would never let that fly. I've been stopped by the Millcreek police while walking my dog after a long night of work while minding my own business. The cop harassed me, and asked me for my identification. I politely declined, and then I got the whole, "do you have something to hide"? I had absolutely nothing to hide, I was protecting my right's as a law abiding tax paying citizen. I was polite to the officer the whole time as well. He got very upset and threatened to charge me with all these absurd charges. He then told me that he loves dealing with people who think they are civil right attorney's. So allegedly, if you express your god given rights, you become a smart a$$ lawyer? By the way, he got tired of dealing with me and left. He never got my ID.
Peter DeSante

Canton, OH

#28 Jun 29, 2013
If you have an encounter with the police, you should video record them.
McGurk

Struthers, OH

#30 Jun 29, 2013
Thanks for all the info. If my life ever becomes completely dwvoid of meanimg I may refuse to show my ID to a cop! This could be a good 2 or 3 minutes of feeling piwerful. Then if my life still continues to be an endless struggle to overcome my insignificance, maybe I'll get on Topix and make racial slurs!
McGurk

Erie, PA

#31 Jun 29, 2013
It is too late anyway. My life never had or ever will have any meaning. Meanwhile bring on the police state.

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