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McDowell 1966
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Say what you want Mr. Schlegel, the education the kids have coming out of your NEA run schools is pathetic. Union teachers have destroyed the education system in this country. One doesn't have to go far to find a shining example of some of these former students. Please stop trying to put a silk hat on a pig with your NEA statistics. Mr. Mehler stands correct in what he wrote.
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thinkgoodthings
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Dey may graduate, but can dey read and rite?
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MCR
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Mr.Schlegel obviously you haven't shopped much. Have you seen some of these graduated/college kids at the check outs? They can't make change without looking at the register. Most can't properly fill out a job application (spelling is awful) or balance a check book. Their reading and language skill leave a LOT to be desired.
If the system is so good, what is happening here.
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RRR
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Incredible - we tout a statewide 88% average? And we are 6th best? We spend THOUSANDS of dollars per student annually, and we only get an 88% success rate? And I concur, the degrees we currently pass out are far less equitable to the standards that used to drive high school curriculum. I understand that there are factors that may prevent 100% from being attained, but that should be the goal. You probably spend thousands of dollars on your vehicle, and would be claiming foul if it only started 88% of the time.....the next time you are at an airport, ask the airline if they tout their 88% success rate of their planes taking off and landing. Our students are the future of our community, country, and world - we should not be content with an 88% graduation rate. These statistics are SHOCKING. They should be upsetting to you Mr. Schlegel. PSEA should spend a bit more time on the success of their clients, and a bit less time on the protection and defense of their teachers, and this miserable report card.
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Omniscient1
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The amount of time or money spent on each student in school will always mean squat unless the parents are involved...Period. Keep your kids off the computers and video games once in awhile or shut up and just pay your taxes. My kids are coming out just fine because my wife and I take part in their education. Simple.
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Max the Goat
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McDowell 1966 wrote: Say what you want Mr. Schlegel, the education the kids have coming out of your NEA run schools is pathetic. Union teachers have destroyed the education system in this country. One doesn't have to go far to find a shining example of some of these former students. Please stop trying to put a silk hat on a pig with your NEA statistics. Mr. Mehler stands correct in what he wrote. If you hadn't gone to McDowell you might have learned the proper idiom..."silk purse from a sow's ear" Roll Ramblers! keep rollin'
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The Angry Republican
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At some point you have to hold the parents accountable for this too. Teachers can't babysit these kids 24/7. Maybe if some of these kids were held more accountable by their parents, they would actually give a damn about learning something in school.
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mr wolfe
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What are the parents doing? there are on average, 12% of parents whose kids fail, and thats ok? makes sense, i am glad that i am leaving this town.
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Crystal
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Well said. Some teachers just plain old forgot why they became teachers. They have unions so they choose to strike. Last year the Girard school district actually threatened to strike if there demands were not met. One demand was more vacation time, Like as if 3 months a year were not enough. McDowell 1966 wrote: Say what you want Mr. Schlegel, the education the kids have coming out of your NEA run schools is pathetic. Union teachers have destroyed the education system in this country. One doesn't have to go far to find a shining example of some of these former students. Please stop trying to put a silk hat on a pig with your NEA statistics. Mr. Mehler stands correct in what he wrote.
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Mark
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Sure they graduate more, but they do not teach.
They get to take tests over until they pass them, they only do the bare minimum. And do not blame NCLB,Instead of making teachers teach, the unions simply found a way around the requirements by teaching to the tests, that was not th epurpose of NCLB
Do not tout the unions as good for students, they only protect the terrible teaching and worst yet they prodice a faulty product
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Crystal
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Oh yes lets do that. Meanwhile girard school district will not buy enough books to go around for every student, so they do not get there own book to use to take home to study therefor that also means no homework! Oh and this is my favorite. They actually tell the kids it is ok to fail one class, they will still move on to the next grade. So tell me how on earth are we supposed to compete with that. Sure we can have homework time and study time and sit with them and help, but if there is no book to study from, where does the parents roll start and stop with this! Teachers want money, that dam superintendent just wants even more money! Very few stay in it for the children and satisfaction to see them succeed. The Angry Republican wrote: At some point you have to hold the parents accountable for this too. Teachers can't babysit these kids 24/7. Maybe if some of these kids were held more accountable by their parents, they would actually give a damn about learning something in school.
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Mema
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I agree that teachers do not teach--I managed a restaurant for 20 years and trust me--college graduates do not know how to fill out applications or make change. Their English is deplorable. They do not know how to dress for an interview. I am talking about management people also not just cooks and servers.
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Reason and Logic
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How many other things have an 88% success rate? Marriages? Nope. You're best baseball players can barely dream of a 40% success rate at the plate. How many new businesses fail?
If our teachers do this well with 88%, how can you blame them for the other 12%? It's THE PARENTS. Do you believe that 12% of the parents out there are irresponsible? Go sit in a classroom and maybe you'll find there are more than 12% of parents who don't foster the importance of education, who don't discipline their kids, who don't teach respect at home, who don't supervise homework, who don't make sure they get medical attention, who don't make sure their kids are nutritionally prepared to meet the school day.
You blame the teachers for everything and the truth is, too often they're the only ones who really give a damn.
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Reason and Logic
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Um, McDowell, 1966? The statistics that guy cited in the article were from the Pennsylvania state department of education, not the NEA.
Well, McDowell 1966, I guess you're right that one doesn't have to go too far to find a shining example of one of these students. We found you.
Read closely. Pay attention. Stop spouting bull.
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give me a break
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there is more to that figure than graduating...it's the knowledge that kids graduate with. both teachers and parents responsible for the breakdown
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give me a break
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and each year the parents receive notices home about the importance of attendance and feeding their kids a good meal before school...this letter comes the week PRIOR TO THE PSSA's. funny how the most encouraged week, is the week kids test out for the performance of the teachers.
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give me a break
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and the PSSA's are all about funding...
testing should be random, not staged
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American Dream
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Obviously there are some very fine teachers, but those aren't the ones the union is there to protect. Instead of touting 88% like it's a triumph, the union schmuck should be demanding more from our schools. The union opposes paying the best teachers more, and instead fights to keep jobs for those who should be canned. They fight vouchers, instead of welcoming competition which might innovate the way we teach our kids. America is failing when it comes to competing in the world, and the failure begins with education, or the lack thereof. By the way, most poor (as in BAD) parents are themselves products of the failed government schools, so what can you expect of the next generation?
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