Erie Economic Development Results
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#1 Jul 23, 2013
There are approximately 5 economic development groups in Erie.
1. Over the last 5 years how many companies have relocated to Erie due directly to their efforts?
2. With grant funding, how many jobs have been created within the last 5 years due directly to their efforts?
Does anyone have the numbers?
#4 Jul 23, 2013
The first one is definitely zero. The second one is likely zero.
If I'm wrong, prove me otherwise.
#5 Jul 23, 2013
Kim Green gets paid $100,000 per year.
Thanks Joe Sinnott. Is you mommy happy that you gave her best friend's daughter a job she did not deserve?
#7 Jul 23, 2013
5 years? How about 30 years. Dems rule = Coincidence?
#8 Jul 23, 2013
is it just for the city of erie or erie county?
millcreek got lower peach all gussied up.
what are the five groups?
#9 Jul 24, 2013
We nominate candidates like don tucci. It's comforting that our followers blame everybody but us for our ineptness.
#10 Jul 24, 2013
Is anyone holding the Erie Economic Development elected officials accountable for their actions?
Erie taxpayers pay their salaries.
Is anyone interested in publicly listing all Erie Economic Development employees salaries and perks and their REAL results over the last 5 years?
It's time to expose what they have done to fix this city's financil problems. Have they been acting in Erie's best interest?
#11 Jul 24, 2013
I say we hang em!! And that David Crosby to.
#12 Jul 24, 2013
Is it time for a change?
Erie Economic Development Board:
James E. Martin, Chair
Northwest Savings Bank
Dr. Donald L. Birx, Ph.D.
Penn State Erie, The Behrend College
John C. Bloomstine
Insurance Management Company
Carl M. Carlotti, Esq.
National Fuel Gas Dist. Corp.
Terrence W. Cavanaugh
President and CEO
Erie Insurance Group
Times Publishing Company
Gary L. Clark
Stonebank Management LLC
Senior Vice President
Millcreek Community Hospital
Chief Executive Officer
American Turned Products
Jeffrey Evans, CFP
Young Erie Professionals
Hamot Medical Center
Thomas C. Hoffman II, Esq.
Knox McLaughlin Gornall & Sennett
McInnes Rolled Rings
Professional Development Associates
Charles G. Knight
Schaffner, Knight, Minnaugh & Company PC
John Leemhuis, Jr.
Quinn Law Firm
Marsha Marsh Real Estate Services
Marlene D. Mosco
President - NW PA Region
Baldwin Brothers, Inc.
Senior Community Affairs Specialist
Highmark Blue Cross Blue Shield
James Rutkowski, Jr.
Industrial Sales & Manufacturing Company
John V. Schultz, Co.
Nick Scott, Jr.
Vice President, International Sales
Chief Executive Officer
Greater Erie Area Community Action Committee
Dr. Keith Taylor, Ph.D.
David M. Tullio
Custom Engineering Company
Russell S. Warner, Esq.
MacDonald, Illig, Jones & Britton, LLP
Smith Provision Company
Scott Whalen, Ph.D.
President & CEO
Saint Vincent Health System
Mary Beth Wilcher
Erie Federal Credit Union
Dr. Julie Wollman, Ph.D.
Edinboro University of Pennsylvania
Penelec - A FirstEnergy Company
#14 Jul 24, 2013
Melt on Sopper!
#15 Jul 25, 2013
That's quite an impressive list of Erie's best known presidents, CEO's, business owners, attorneys, bankers, and vice presidents supplied by poster "anonymous". With people like this serving on the Erie Economic Development Board / Committee the decades long down slide of the Erie area should be resolved. At least it looks that way on paper.
But how many times in recent years have similar groups come together for the same purpose ? And how many times have these groups of well intentioned movers and shakers failed ? Answer: Every time.
So the big question that never gets asked and subsequently never discussed is why ? Why,after so many attempts do these sort of endeavors wither on the vine and slowly slough away ? I have my theory and I'll put them up for discussion.
First, despite all the accomplishments these board / committee members have achieved in their personal and professional lives, despite all their wealth of education and experience, these people have more important things to concentrate on. Their current careers and all the time and energies required to maintain that level of success is most likely their number one concern. The massive amount of work needed to put Erie on a better track would require more time than what a clock provides. It is highly improbable anyone on this list can afford to donate the time and enegy to do the job fully and properly. This is where everyone looks at the next person to carry the load, and no one does.
Next, when you talk with people who serve on boards, they tell you that many times they do so because they were asked and it's viewed as an honor to be considered. Often people will jump in for the exposure, for the resume' builder, for the prestige. Many board members have no intention of doing much work or even showing up. The main attraction is to be part of the in crowd within the business and political realm.
Finally, very often people who are appointed to and serve on boards are already members of other boards at various venues. Some are even members of numerous boards. With this being the case how can they possibly devote the time and energy toward Erie Economic Development ? It all looks impressive in print and in the news but it ends up being the same thing in the end. Not enough devoted people to gain the necessary momentum to make a noticable and lasting difference.
Topix posters will soon wonder what happened to this latest attempt to return Erie back to better times. Don't hold your breath on this one, and don't expect the next assembly of Erie's best to matter either.
#16 Jul 25, 2013
Has anyone with the needed clout ever come up with a workable plan [ even if it got shot down?]
So far the only improvement I see is the blight that Erie Insurance has cleaned up. For my money, they can take over the whole east side.
#18 Jul 25, 2013
They'd be right at home in other parts of the county - east, west, and south.
#19 Jul 25, 2013
As long as there are street corners and country fairs there.
#20 Jul 25, 2013
To the far west side.
All the turn around plans you can conceive will not save this city from itself, unless you start at the bottom.
There isn't a politician in this town willing to do that.
That is why Erie is doomed.
#21 Jul 26, 2013
There is a limit to what any appointed board can accomplish without the buy-in and cooperation of the elected officials in any jurisdiction. For example, an effort could be made to get a manufacturer to consider relocating here, but that doesn't mean that the hurdles to planning, site acquisition, environmental impact, zoning, permitting, inspections, occupancy, etc. can be overcome. The time delays and costs encountered in each step of the process amount to a huge disincentive. That coupled to an anti-business labor reputation and lack of access to venture capital doom a lot of potential that otherwise could be achieved.
Much of the task of 'economic development' appointments is viewed as simply taking the focus off of the elected officials. It becomes a matter of convenience rather than performance.
Another time consuming disincentive is the number of taxing bodies involved in making a decision. It is impossible to get a timely decision made. Look how long it took to get a decision made for Lord to reuse the Bush Industries facility. Now imagine if that was an out of town business looking to relocate, rather than a local business looking to move and expand. What are the odds we would have lost the opportunity less than half way through the process?
Hurdles to development need to be eliminated, and processes streamlined and reduced in cost. Anti-business attitudes need to change. Access to venture capital needs to improve.
To have something, you first have to want it.
#22 Jul 26, 2013
Notice how most of these people represent business that wants to slash & eliminate jobs, buy products from "out of town" because they can get it cheaper there? Protect the fund hoarding stock holders, that'll stimulate the economy.
Here's a clue. Put more money in the hands of the consumers. That stimulates the economy & brings more back to you.
They have the wrong people on their board. It's time to look for people who have the time & knowledge on how to keep people here. Not drive them out.
#23 Jul 26, 2013
The reality of this entire scenario is that here in Erie we have to start to consider what is best for our entire area and stop asking the all to repeated question of "what's in it for me?"
all of these boards or committees that are created simply wind up as layers of costly goverment bureaucracy that really accomplish nothing.
It is actually quite simple...start holding our elected officials accountable don't vote for them by name recognition...we need new blood with new vision...what was the definition of insanity?
#24 Jul 26, 2013
Holding elected officials accountable and trying " new blood " are nice talking points but without a complete turn around by the populace even the greatest political people you could conjure up won't make a shread of difference.
I realize this debate comes down to the chicken or the egg type of argument." If only the citizens were better off then all would be well ! " Unfortunately that statement alone doesn't solve the problem.
Consider the following scenerio...... What if every Erie citizen were given $ 100,000. Relax, I know that can't actually happen, but what if it did ? They'd be dancing in the streets wouldn't they ? Why, our problems would be solved ! Hardly.
How many people in this area would make zero behavioral changes to maximize their advantage ? Answer: Most. Oh, they'd pay off debts, they'd treat themselves to things they never thought they could afford. Life would be great. But that would be their total definition of improving their quality of life. Buying stuff they always wanted.
How many people in this area would be wise enough to take a sizable portion of this big windfall and place the money into savings or toward educational opportunities ? Answer: not many.
I believe that people here are generationally stuck in the foolish belief of expecting to be given a fish everyday while very few are motivated to make the changes to learn how to fish. It's far easier to hate the achievers, to blame everyone and everthing for one's troubles. It's not in Erie's collective fiber to break the molds of past and failed patterns. At least not for most long entrenched Erie folk who seem to believe that although the world may change Erie and themselves will be forever insulated from needing to do so.
It's this mindset that so powerfully prevails and has contributed mightily to Erie's decades long woes. Other factors have indeed played their part but getting Erie to look ahead, be proactive, and adjust to the changing climates that now define the real world is something not even the greatest assembly of leaders can overcome. It starts at the very root and Erie's roots have died.
#25 Jul 26, 2013
Does that definition mean I'm crazy??????????666
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