GoErie.com: Jam-packed Peach Street

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This is the front of the new Dempsey & Baxter jewelery store, which is being built on upper Peach Street in Millcreek Twp. Read more
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Ste

Indianapolis, IN

#1 Oct 28, 2007
Why doesn't Nicky Scott put the new Hilton on the bayfront property that he owns? Why not commit to developing the character of the city instead of making an ugly area (Peach Street) even uglier? He has helped suck the life out of the city by drawing Erieites an tourists alike to Summit instead of the city.

Since: Jan 07

Location hidden

#2 Oct 29, 2007
Why? Because he's a businessman that wants to make money. Nick Scott isn't running a welfare program. If you want something done in the city, risk your money. People go to upper Peach St because they drive cars. I-79 and I-90 make travel easy. There is plenty of parking.
Out of Erie

Coraopolis, PA

#3 Oct 29, 2007
One of Erie's biggest downfalls is Peach Street. There's no character, no enjoyment, nothing special. It is a mess of national chains scattered all over the place.

Peach Street is very unenjoyable.

It would be nice to see developers care about Erie and invest in the actual City of Erie. I-79 runs right into the city and turns into the Bayfront Parkway. The West 12th Street area also connects to 79.

Peach Street killed Downtown.
Boo Boo Bear

Erie, PA

#4 Oct 29, 2007
Nick Scott isn't running a welfare program
---Dennis Weed

Weed is correct. Who in this community could ever recall even one time that Scott Enterprise depended on tax dollars in any project or development?

If you can't name one, then Scott is not running a welfare program.
If you can name one, then Scott is ON a welfare program.

Put up or shut up time.
Nick Scott is god in town, maybe saviour to the community existence itself. Or, he is the protected welfare recipient at the top.
In Erie, corporate welfare is noble; individual welfare is a crime.

I have no knowledge of Scott Enterprise either way. But Weed is in Real Estate and probably NOT an unbiased witness here. Any benefit your way Dennis?

"No, no, no, no, no".

As a competitor to GoErie by being "listed" on Erie Blogs, you sure spend a lot of time in the competitors corner here. Then, you go back and tell the world how bad the Erie Times folks are. I suspect Nick Scott would call that an ungreatful guest.
tsb

Clarksburg, WV

#5 Oct 29, 2007
Peach Street is built up alot. Kind of double stacked in alot of areas. I don't see how any non-improvement of traffic lanes, etc is beneficial. Even at non-holiday seasons, if there is any bit of traffic on upper Peach St, it is a total mess that starts as far back as Wegman's. I used to work on upper Peach St, and I know that I'd have to leave, for what should only be a 10 minute commute, at least 30 earlier then what I should have, just to get up Peach St, from 26th and Chestnut.
Like someone else had said, Upper Peach St is taking away from Downtown Erie. Why doesn't Nick Scott develop more on the Bayfront, or in some of the vacant buildings that used to be part of Downtown Erie. I know that Nick Scott is a business man, and not a welfare builder, or rely on government funding to build. And I know that his businesses "make money", because I do dine and go to some of his resteraunts on Upper Peach. If he (Scott) could make it look like less of a Ghost Town in downtown, I'm sure alot more people would be appreciative, and get out and go downtown. Maybe that could alleviate some of the chaotic congestion that happens with upper Peach St traffic (Peach Jam). Thank you.

Since: Jan 07

Location hidden

#6 Oct 29, 2007
Boo Boo Bear wrote:
But Weed is in Real Estate and probably NOT an unbiased witness here. Any benefit your way Dennis?
"No, no, no, no, no".
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As a competitor to GoErie by being "listed" on Erie Blogs, you sure spend a lot of time in the competitors corner here. Then, you go back and tell the world how bad the Erie Times folks are. I suspect Nick Scott would call that an ungreatful guest.
I deal mostly in residential real estate. I haven't had any clients associated with him or his company. I own a home in the City of Erie and pay a hefty tax bill. The City of Erie property tax rate is 11.45 mills. The Summit Township property tax rate is .70 mills. Where would any reasonable person want to own a hotel?
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I'm not listed on Erie Blogs. I write most of the entries and own part of the company ( ErieBlogs.com LLC) as a partner. I've been a registered user of Topix.net since 2004 and have been an editor since Jan 2007. GoErie.com joined me here earlier this month.
Boo Boo Bear

Erie, PA

#7 Oct 29, 2007
I own a home in the City of Erie and pay a hefty tax bill. The City of Erie property tax rate is 11.45 mills. The Summit Township property tax rate is .70 mills. Where would any reasonable person want to own a hotel?
---Dennis Weed

11.45 mills
.70 mills
Where would a reasonable person want to.....
I OWN a home in 11.45, says Dennis.
Reasonable.
And, "listed" is a real estate term. You are on the real estate at Erie Blogs. But, that could be unreasonable to say.
Hey Hey Hey
El hefe

Beachwood, OH

#8 Oct 29, 2007
Well, Peach street is packed, and needs to be much better controlled than it is now....Go to Pittsburgh or Cranberry and drive around....there is so much more and it takes less time to get there....these are also cities where a new restauraunt isnt news, so perhaps the new stuff on peach is also cause for the excess traffic...but, synchronize the lights better, teach erie people how to drive, and the traffic will be better...it will actually FLOW, unlike now....
John

Erie, PA

#9 Oct 29, 2007
"Who in this community could ever recall even one time that Scott Enterprise depended on tax dollars in any project or development?"

What crap.

Scott and other developers depend on the taxpayers to build more lanes on Peach, I-90, and more lanes on the exit ramps.

Summit Township approves anything and everything then whines about the congestion they caused by allowing the big boxes so close to the Interstate. PennDOT reward those bad decisions by widening Peach which encourages even more retail to locate there.
Penny

Coronado Ntl Forest, AZ

#10 Oct 31, 2007
We don't need any more lanes on Peach, we need access roads either in front of these businesses or behind them. I have seen this is other cities and it works very well.
T-Boone

Lewis Center, OH

#11 Oct 31, 2007
Waterford-John makes a good point. To some degree we all are subsidizing the development of upper-peach business via highway expansion. That same observation can be made however for property owners benefiting from tax dollars being spent near the bay front.
Dan in Tx

Grapevine, TX

#12 Oct 31, 2007
Nick Scott should put an AppleBee's in the Boston Store Place. A parking lot ( Iknow... I know...) could be built on the NW corner of 7th & State exclusively for his rest,

Since: Aug 07

Edinboro, PA

#13 Nov 2, 2007
We need business in this area...it's that simple. Obviously we need more substantially lucrative jobs than the 'wealth' of retail and restaurant positions, but at least these businesses are providing jobs. Would we be in better shape without our Peach Jam? Imagine our community without that shopping area.

I think we're fortunate to have so many choices for shopping and dining and entertainment that are expansive enough to bring visitors to our community.

We should be less worried about Peach Street businesses and Nick Scott and be more concerned with finding other ways to bring money and good jobs to the area. We should focus on getting our airport up to standards that would be acceptable to industries considering a move to our area.
JMJ

Indianapolis, IN

#14 Jan 27, 2008
Why not keep more businesses in the neighborhoods? Not jammed together on Peach Street
Bystander

Merrick, NY

#15 Jan 27, 2008
John wrote:
"Who in this community could ever recall even one time that Scott Enterprise depended on tax dollars in any project or development?"
What crap.
Scott and other developers depend on the taxpayers to build more lanes on Peach, I-90, and more lanes on the exit ramps.
Yes, you are correct. The taxpayers' dollars pay for road construction and improvement which is used by Scott's customers to travel to & from his commercial properties. However, those same roads are also used by people traveling to & from other businesses, their jobs, or even their homes ! That's why it's called "Public Works".

Since we're talking about what people 'fail to recall', don't forget that Nick Scott et al. pay corporate taxes, property taxes, income taxes, and so forth. And don't overlook the jobs he creates for his employees, who earn money which then gets taxed as well as invested and spent at other merchants. The multiplier cycle repeats to everyone's benefit.

Sounds like a pretty good deal and a fair bargain to me :-)
dennis

Reseda, CA

#16 Jan 27, 2008
What's a Mill?:

Property tax rates in Pennsylvania are referred to as millage rates, and they are figured in mills. One mill is equal to 1/1,000 of a dollar. Basically, for every $1,000 in taxable value, a property owner will pay $1 in taxation per mill.

The City of Erie property tax rate is 11.45 mills.

The Summit Township property tax rate is .70 mills

I apologise for my bad math skills but it looks like a $100,000 home in Erie would be $1,145.00 a year in taxes.......the same home in Summit would be $700.00.

Why would anyone want to live there let alone build a hotel???

You can live in Summit almost two years compared to one year in "The Ghost Town"

No wonder most of the cops and firemen live in the townships..........it's a pay raise.
Bystander

Merrick, NY

#17 Jan 27, 2008
dennis wrote:
What's a Mill?:
Property tax rates in Pennsylvania are referred to as millage rates, and they are figured in mills. One mill is equal to 1/1,000 of a dollar. Basically, for every $1,000 in taxable value, a property owner will pay $1 in taxation per mill.
The City of Erie property tax rate is 11.45 mills.
The Summit Township property tax rate is .70 mills
I apologise for my bad math skills but it looks like a $100,000 home in Erie would be $1,145.00 a year in taxes.......the same home in Summit would be $700.00.
Why would anyone want to live there let alone build a hotel???
You can live in Summit almost two years compared to one year in "The Ghost Town"
No wonder most of the cops and firemen live in the townships..........it's a pay raise.
$1145/per year vs.$70/per year.(You were off by one decimal point).

Even an easier decision to make !
Lee

Mercer, PA

#18 Jan 27, 2008
Some very good points have been made. The traffic on Peach St. is mild in comparison to other large city business districts. The commute to Erie from the surrounding areas is still relatively easy and much less stressful than the commute to downtown Pittsburgh from the suburbs.
We do need access roads, more lanes on Peach and some synchronized traffic lights. Peach St. may provide mainly minimum wage jobs, but at least there are jobs.
You will never see the city thrive and its not Mr. Scotts job to make it thrive. Time to vote people...Out with the old school politicians and in with the new. If you want change you have to vote for change. Get out of the "tourist" town rut. We can't compete with the weather and infrustructure of other "Convention Towns". How about attracting some HiTech industries? How about it?

“WWRD”

Since: Dec 07

Tampa

#19 Jan 27, 2008
Peach street traffic is nothing. I wish traffic here was as "bad" as Peach.

Erie has some great history and a picturesque location but not enough good jobs. If all the Gannon and Behrend grads could get a good job they'd stay.

It's comical that a Nick Scott is such a big player, that's part of the problem the old boys who run Erie.
jim

Lorain, OH

#20 Mar 4, 2008
I AM SORRY, BUT HAVE YOU EVER SPENT ANYTIME IN DOWNTOWN, THE CRIME, THE DECAY. IF YOU GO EAST OF STATE ST, YOU ARE IN THE MOST RUN DOWN AREAS. NOT TO MENTION THAT YOU CANNOT GO TO A BASKETBALL GAME AT THE HAMMERMILL CENTER WITH YOUR FAMILY WITHOUT BEING BEATEN UP AND BEING LAID UP IN THE HOSPITAL FOR A WEEK. NOT TO MENTION THAT IT SEEMS THAT THE CITY DOESN'T WANT TO IMPROVE ITSELF, WASTFUL SPENDING IDEAS, LIKE A COMMUNTIY COLLEGE, THAT IS THE MOST WASTFUL IDEA I'VE HEARD IN SOMETIME. THIS AREA HAS MANY PLACES OF HIGHER EDUCATION. AND THE BAYFRONT, WHAT AND WHERE, I REMEMBER THE CRIBS AND THE DOCKS, BUT NOW IT'S MAINLY MARINA'S THE NEW CIVIC CENTER, WHAT A WASTE, GAF HAD PROVIDED MORE INCOME THEN THAT CRAP HOLE WILL, ANOTHER WASTE OF TAX MONEY, SO WHY WOULD MR.SCOTT WASTE HIS TIME AND MONEY ON A TOWN THAT DOESN'T WANT TO IMPROVE ITSELF, HOW ABOUT BRINGING SOME MORE JOBS TO THIS RUSTBELT DYING TOWN, LOOK HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE MOVING OUT OF THE CITY
tsb wrote:
Peach Street is built up alot. Kind of double stacked in alot of areas. I don't see how any non-improvement of traffic lanes, etc is beneficial. Even at non-holiday seasons, if there is any bit of traffic on upper Peach St, it is a total mess that starts as far back as Wegman's. I used to work on upper Peach St, and I know that I'd have to leave, for what should only be a 10 minute commute, at least 30 earlier then what I should have, just to get up Peach St, from 26th and Chestnut.
Like someone else had said, Upper Peach St is taking away from Downtown Erie. Why doesn't Nick Scott develop more on the Bayfront, or in some of the vacant buildings that used to be part of Downtown Erie. I know that Nick Scott is a business man, and not a welfare builder, or rely on government funding to build. And I know that his businesses "make money", because I do dine and go to some of his resteraunts on Upper Peach. If he (Scott) could make it look like less of a Ghost Town in downtown, I'm sure alot more people would be appreciative, and get out and go downtown. Maybe that could alleviate some of the chaotic congestion that happens with upper Peach St traffic (Peach Jam). Thank you.

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