Erie FD saves Gannon's basketball arena

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Diocaesarian

Erie, PA

#1 Dec 23, 2013
Erie Fire Department saves Gannon arena tonight.

City should have told them to stick it since they won't give the city payment in lieu of taxes. Gannon made $4 million last year. I have the annual report they mailed me as an alum.
They can afford it.
Keyth Tailor

Erie, PA

#2 Dec 24, 2013
Diocaesarian wrote:
Erie Fire Department saves Gannon arena tonight.
City should have told them to stick it since they won't give the city payment in lieu of taxes. Gannon made $4 million last year. I have the annual report they mailed me as an alum.
They can afford it.
I promised the Bishop a new arena, heh, heh, heh
Withheld

UK

#3 Dec 24, 2013
Diocaesarian wrote:
Erie Fire Department saves Gannon arena tonight.
City should have told them to stick it since they won't give the city payment in lieu of taxes. Gannon made $4 million last year. I have the annual report they mailed me as an alum.
They can afford it.
They are not obligated to send money in lieu of taxes. What about this is so difficult for you to understand?
Meade

Corry, PA

#5 Dec 24, 2013
Let Gannon start their own fire department! It wouldn't be expensive for them at all. Let's see, one or two pumpers at $450,000 each. One aerial ladder tower at close to $850,000. Then you have to hire firefighters to staff the equipment 24/7 and have a Chief officer/supervisors.

How's that PILOT to Erie looking now, Gannon?

Freeloading SCUM!
Withheld

UK

#6 Dec 24, 2013
Meade wrote:
Let Gannon start their own fire department! It wouldn't be expensive for them at all. Let's see, one or two pumpers at $450,000 each. One aerial ladder tower at close to $850,000. Then you have to hire firefighters to staff the equipment 24/7 and have a Chief officer/supervisors.
How's that PILOT to Erie looking now, Gannon?
Freeloading SCUM!
The local tax base SHOULD take care of this for them, as Gannon are a non profit who provide a service and are thus tax exempt.
TruthSpeaker

Erie, PA

#7 Dec 24, 2013
Withheld wrote:
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The local tax base SHOULD take care of this for them, as Gannon are a non profit who provide a service and are thus tax exempt.
They provide no service, make a profit and should HAVE to pay taxes like the rest of us. What is so difficult to understand about that? No such thing as a non profit. If you don't make a profit you go out of business. Gannon makes a profit.
Meade

Corry, PA

#8 Dec 24, 2013
TruthSpeaker wrote:
<quoted text> They provide no service, make a profit and should HAVE to pay taxes like the rest of us. What is so difficult to understand about that? No such thing as a non profit. If you don't make a profit you go out of business. Gannon makes a profit.
Gannon also gets donations totaling millions of dollars a year from their vast network of Alumni. Gannon can easily afford to pay taxes. Let Gannon have to start a paid FD from scratch and keep it staffed with highly trained firefighters like the Erie FD and then see them really open their checkbook to the City.

The City provides services (Police, Fire, Garbage, etc) that people pay for. Gannon takes away services from the City and only pays a measly pittance through the PILOT program. Gannon is robbing the City blind - not to mention they are snatching up prime downtown real estate and immediately removing it from the tax roles.

What services does Gannon provide the City? Buying the Fire Chief and 2 Fire Inspectors a new vehicle every few years? Yeah, that'll get old real fast.

Freeloading Gannon SCUM!
Withheld

UK

#9 Dec 25, 2013
TruthSpeaker wrote:
<quoted text> They provide no service, make a profit and should HAVE to pay taxes like the rest of us. What is so difficult to understand about that? No such thing as a non profit. If you don't make a profit you go out of business. Gannon makes a profit.
Education is a service. I don't like Prep, but I don't think they should have to pay taxes to the city. I'd also propose that a certain tax code gives them the right to operate as a not for profit organization (look it up yourself, as you sound like you need educated on this topic). One of the benefits of this status is that they are not required to pay certain taxes on their non profit operations.
Withheld

UK

#10 Dec 25, 2013
Meade wrote:
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Gannon also gets donations totaling millions of dollars a year from their vast network of Alumni. Gannon can easily afford to pay taxes. Let Gannon have to start a paid FD from scratch and keep it staffed with highly trained firefighters like the Erie FD and then see them really open their checkbook to the City.
The City provides services (Police, Fire, Garbage, etc) that people pay for. Gannon takes away services from the City and only pays a measly pittance through the PILOT program. Gannon is robbing the City blind - not to mention they are snatching up prime downtown real estate and immediately removing it from the tax roles.
What services does Gannon provide the City? Buying the Fire Chief and 2 Fire Inspectors a new vehicle every few years? Yeah, that'll get old real fast.
Freeloading Gannon SCUM!
The United Way, the Kanzius Cancer Research Foundation, the MDA, the DAV, as well as many of the different local churches all get donations as well. Should they claim the donations on their taxes as well?

It sounds like you and your alter-ego are a bit bitter about something. Did you work for the City and have your job cut - blaming the Gannon's of the world because you couldn't get it done? Tell us your REAL motivation for these tired and ridiculous posts.
TruthSpeaker

Erie, PA

#11 Dec 25, 2013
Higher education, just like the hospitals, is a for profit business and therefore should not be labeled non profit. You must be one of the parasites feeding off the non profit exemption as there is no other reason to defend what is obviously a violation of what the non profit law was intended for.
Meade

Corry, PA

#12 Dec 25, 2013
Gannon has Tens of Millions of Dollars in various bank accounts and reserve accounts. This is something they are extremely proud of. How else do you explain all their lavish spending. Gannon also has investment accounts that are earning an amazing return on investment thanks to a booming stock market.

Gannon provides a service, all right. The amount in annual fees and commissions paid to their investment brokers is at least 5 to 10 times what they pay the City as a measly pittance of a PILOT program. There is your 'community' service.

Gannon will never pay the City what is right because they are too busy pleading poverty and that they provide a 'community' service .... and all at the expense of Erie taxpayers.

The time will come when Downtown Erie from Myrtle to State and 2nd to 10th will be nothing but Gannon tax exempt property .... and it will help push Erie to the breaking point.

If Gannon truly wants to provide a community service, let Gannon replace the whole entire fleet of fire dept apparatus and police cruisers every 3 years. Gannon can ore than afford this expense, they are flush!
kindle fire

Erie, PA

#13 Dec 25, 2013
EFD does their job! Way to go guys!
Withheld

UK

#14 Dec 25, 2013
TruthSpeaker wrote:
Higher education, just like the hospitals, is a for profit business and therefore should not be labeled non profit. You must be one of the parasites feeding off the non profit exemption as there is no other reason to defend what is obviously a violation of what the non profit law was intended for.
This is only "obviously a violation" of the law's intent because you say so.

Why not spend time lobbying for this cause of yours instead of whinging about it on here?
compromise

Erie, PA

#15 Dec 25, 2013
Some of you feel Gannon provides a service and should be exempt others feel they are for profit and should pay taxes. Seems a compromise is in order.

Classrooms, labs, libraries, tax exempt.

Dorms, cafeteria, sports complexes, any area they charge a fee in addition to tuition should be taxable.

That shouldn't be difficult for anyone to understand.
TruthSpeaker

Erie, PA

#16 Dec 25, 2013
Withheld wrote:
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This is only "obviously a violation" of the law's intent because you say so.
Why not spend time lobbying for this cause of yours instead of whinging about it on here?
It is an obvious violation because it is an obvious violation to everyone except you and not just because I say so. You seem to have run out of ideas and are on the wrong side of the argument. The day will come, and will come sooner than you think, that higher education and hospitals will no longer be tax exempt. They will be forced to pay a safety tax based on their square footage as they've done in other areas of the country and that is being worked on even now as you lose your argument.
Crpl Agarn

New York, NY

#17 Dec 25, 2013
If the transformer was in trouble should not the breakers have tripped and shut the
Transformer down preventing this situation?
Zugzwang

Erie, PA

#18 Dec 25, 2013
compromise wrote:
Some of you feel Gannon provides a service and should be exempt others feel they are for profit and should pay taxes. Seems a compromise is in order.
Classrooms, labs, libraries, tax exempt.
Dorms, cafeteria, sports complexes, any area they charge a fee in addition to tuition should be taxable.
That shouldn't be difficult for anyone to understand.
What are you trying to say? Please be more specific.
Withheld

UK

#19 Dec 26, 2013
TruthSpeaker wrote:
<quoted text> It is an obvious violation because it is an obvious violation to everyone except you and not just because I say so. You seem to have run out of ideas and are on the wrong side of the argument. The day will come, and will come sooner than you think, that higher education and hospitals will no longer be tax exempt. They will be forced to pay a safety tax based on their square footage as they've done in other areas of the country and that is being worked on even now as you lose your argument.
Again, it is not a violation because they are legally operating within the laws. Until the laws are changed, Universities like Gannon & hospitals are tax exempt. They are not required to pay safety tax and in my opinion they should not be required to pay such taxes. Until they are required to (if they're ever required to), it is you who are on the wrong side of the argument and you're doing nothing but whinging. Look it up.
Withheld

UK

#20 Dec 26, 2013
compromise wrote:
Some of you feel Gannon provides a service and should be exempt others feel they are for profit and should pay taxes. Seems a compromise is in order.
Classrooms, labs, libraries, tax exempt.
Dorms, cafeteria, sports complexes, any area they charge a fee in addition to tuition should be taxable.
That shouldn't be difficult for anyone to understand.
What kind of compromise is in order? They ARE exempt and SHOULD NOT be required to pay taxes.

If they (Gannon or any other non profit) have areas of business in which they operate that is "for profit", I do believe they should pay the appropriate taxes. Are there truly areas of their business that fall into this category? If so, the City SHOULD challenge their non profit status in the appropriate areas. If the challenge is upheld, then taxes should be paid.

If there are no challenges or there is an unsuccessful challenge in the court system, taxes should not be paid.

I suspect, if Erie files a challenge, the argument will be something along the lines of "why are you wasting taxpayer money challenging these things?" followed by a leap to "they should just be made to pay".

Erie could try to bully non profits into paying, but then again - would that be any more fair than trying to bully people into paying taxes that do not apply to them?

Should you pay an "estate tax" if you have not died and you've not inherited anything and your assets are not large enough to qualify for the estate tax?
compromise

Erie, PA

#21 Dec 26, 2013
Zugzwang wrote:
<quoted text> What are you trying to say? Please be more specific.
Pretty simple and straightforward. I am sure you have the ability to figure it out. I am not going to let you trap me into an argument.

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