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Nasty

Canton, OH

#22 May 7, 2013
Vandelay wrote:
I lived in Erie for 6 years, worked at a couple of local places, including GE. The moment I graduated (Engineering degree from Behrend) I got the hell out of there. Erie is a shithole, plain and simple. Just one walk down the State St on Saturday night tells you everything, or a drive on the lovely 12th street.
No wonder GE execs moved to Chicago, what is there for them in Erie except jobs..nothing. I can speak from my personal experience, aside from a few months during the summer, I hated everything else about Erie..lack of museums, theaters, musical guests (Poison and such forgotten bands from 80s do not count), basically there is not much to do there. Sorry Erie, but you are a dead end, and I can totally understand companies moving out, not just for financial reason but for all these other reasons too.
I can't refute your claim. What's sad is that most diehard "Eriefied" locals are completely unable to understand a single thing you said. Those are the individuals who were born in Erie, raised in Erie, high schooled in Erie, and will die in Erie all the while clueless to the continued lowering of their standard of living. The population numbers keep dropping with every census. Nobody seems to make the connection why more people aren't coming in to their utopian society to balance out those who died off or leave as you did. Although it's my home town I simply don't care what happens to it anymore. They've made an unfixable mess of their bed and only know how to repeat the same mistakes over and over again. It's sad but at the same time comical to watch the buffoonery unfold so predictably.
Erie Realist

United States

#26 May 7, 2013
The Truth is GE sees serious competition coming,in order to compete against that competition in the coming near future they are going to have to reduce costs or lose market share. The easiest way to do this is to relocate the locomotive business elsewhere & drastically cut wages.
Is it fair?....NO
Is low productivity versus wages in Erie the Unions fault?.... NO
Is there Company mismanagement?....YES
Would the Union accept cutting wages to the same rate as Texas & basically double their work performance?.... NO & anyone who says YES is full of crap but that is what GE is doing by moving to Texas.
No doubt the people in Erie are well paid for what they do ...if the wages are really to high for the actual technical skill level, it is ultimately GE`S fault for letting that happen.
Are the people in Erie really performing at about 50/60% of what they should?....Probably in most job classifications but GE is still at fault for not ever correcting this & letting it become the norm.
I sympathize with the workers there,I agree the real culprit for the problems there is GE itself but in the final analysis this is like poke r& GE is holding a royal Flush unfair , Yes, but they are going take the low road to resolve the problem & the GE Erie workers just like all the workers at other Union shops in Erie which have relocated or gone under are gonna take the hit.
truth

North East, PA

#27 May 7, 2013
Erie Realist wrote:
The Truth is GE sees serious competition coming,in order to compete against that competition in the coming near future they are going to have to reduce costs or lose market share. The easiest way to do this is to relocate the locomotive business elsewhere & drastically cut wages.
Is it fair?....NO
Is low productivity versus wages in Erie the Unions fault?.... NO
Is there Company mismanagement?....YES
Would the Union accept cutting wages to the same rate as Texas & basically double their work performance?.... NO & anyone who says YES is full of crap but that is what GE is doing by moving to Texas.
No doubt the people in Erie are well paid for what they do ...if the wages are really to high for the actual technical skill level, it is ultimately GE`S fault for letting that happen.
Are the people in Erie really performing at about 50/60% of what they should?....Probably in most job classifications but GE is still at fault for not ever correcting this & letting it become the norm.
I sympathize with the workers there,I agree the real culprit for the problems there is GE itself but in the final analysis this is like poke r& GE is holding a royal Flush unfair , Yes, but they are going take the low road to resolve the problem & the GE Erie workers just like all the workers at other Union shops in Erie which have relocated or gone under are gonna take the hit.
Your opinion is that the wages for GE workers are too high. That is factually untrue. I know that there are many variables but I believe that all other wages have fallen by the wayside.

Check the chart:

http://www.google.com/imgres...
truth

North East, PA

#28 May 7, 2013
Erie Realist

Erie, PA

#29 May 7, 2013
truth wrote:
<quoted text>Your opinion is that the wages for GE workers are too high. That is factually untrue. I know that there are many variables but I believe that all other wages have fallen by the wayside.
Check the chart:
http://www.google.com/imgres...
Whether GE wages presently are too high or too low is not the issue, GE is looking to the future & sees serious competition. They know the current wage structure & work output has got to change.
GE has chosen the easiest path to effect that change & it is without question unfair to the Erie Plant workers...this is the real issue.
What the community & the GE workers need to focus on is what can be salvaged going forward as to being a supplier of parts for the Texas operation or transfer of other work to the Erie Plant.
GE did not spend all the money it cost to build the new factory in Texas just to prove a point to the Erie Plant. They made a business decision to move locomotive production out of Erie.....this is the reality Erie must face up to.
If GE in any form is to remain here in Erie will require some fundamental changes in work habits or ethics, wage restructuring & the understanding GE controls the destiny of future Erie Plant operations.
This is a bitter pill to swallow to many but reality is what it is regardless of what any charts you want to show tha tdo no tmean squat.
ErieRealist

United States

#31 May 8, 2013
skip the pee pee wrote:
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I call bullshit. GE reserves the right to manage and instead they mismanage. From who gets hired to making workers work it's all their responsibility.
BTW if GE Erie is underperforming why hasn't the whole of management been fired? I'm a share holder and I'd like to know.
Like most of your posts on any number of topics you are missing the point,you seem to have a great talent for missing the obvious.I have already pointed out the entire fiasco at the Erie Plant is clearly the fault of GE management& what is happening is unfair to the employees.
The point is Locomotive production is now going to be in Texas as GE has chosen that action to resolve future competition problems.
Right or wrong there will be no turning back, closing the barn door after the horse is gone will not help.
Being a stockholder & wanting to know the answer to your question is justifiable....... this forum is not where to find it!
Wages NOT growing

United States

#32 May 8, 2013
Nasty

Canton, OH

#33 May 8, 2013
It doesn't matter whether someone wants to call the whole G.E. situation "bullshit" or any other select noun / adjective. The point is that the company will pull more jobs out of Erie and invest itself elsewhere. It's no secret that corporations do this in order to make the most money for themselves and their investors. That's how it works and always has.
On a much smaller scale we all do the same things in our day to day lives. If I saw a gas station selling gas today at $2.29 instead of $ 3.29 per gallon I'd be sure to take advantage of that. You would too. If I could buy a book at a discount store $ 5 cheaper than the same book at the locally owned Erie Book Store I'd go where my wallet is at an advantage. You would too. We all discriminate in order to find the best bargain.
While the moving of a large indusrty and loss of jobs is certainly on a much grander and more serious scale, the concept remains the same...... if a better deal exists somewhere else people will find it. Construction projects awarded to lowest bid happen all the time and no one bats an eye at that practice. In fact it's applauded.
Today's world is no longer that of our father's and grandfather's. The idea of working 40 years at the same place is rapidly becoming extinct. As we accept the ever changing technologies with our personally owned electronic gadgets, so too must we realize that jobs have become ever changing in their demands.
Sad to say but Erie folks are still so stuck in the old way of thinking that places like G.E. will remain in their back pocket forever. The world has become a place where it is best to make yourself as diversified and flexible as possible. The ones who are willing to do this and even contemplate something completely taboo for Erie..... relocate...... are people viewed as more marketable by the higher paying employers in America. An education beyond high school, which many in Erie always believed was good enough, is the key that begins to jump start the process of being an attractive prospect to these higher paying businesses.
It's obviously too late for those in the current G.E. situation. But have the good sense Erie to realize that business as usual, just like you were led to believe when you left high school, no longer exists anymore. Be smart and don't let your own kids fall into the same trap.
GE Paymaster

United States

#34 May 8, 2013
Wages NOT growing wrote:
http://career-services.monster .com/yahooarticle/jobs-with-th e-most-punishing-workloads
I did not see a single job on your list with a pay rate over $30.00 per hour & only one in excess of $25.00. So much for the impoverished GE workers in Erie.
Joe Borgia

Erie, PA

#36 May 8, 2013
GE would be wise to send Lorenzo Slimeonelli on slow boat to China, he has been problems where ever he lands with GE and it is obvious the job is too big for him now.
How long before the corporate leaders realize that Lorenzo is not worth all the dough he is sucking from the company?
Erie Realist

United States

#37 May 9, 2013
skip the pee pee wrote:
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I miss the obvious. Do you mean like when GE announced Texas as "the overflow plant" it was obviously "NOT the overflow plant"? Reminds me of that old joke about how you can tell when a lawyer is lying...
What does your wording "to resolve future competition problems" mean? If they manage in Texas as they manage here, a simple move won't resolve competition problems. But if they manage different than they manage here that means they purposely mismanaged here--and I think that's exactly what's happened.
The only thing unfair to employees is that they lied. Beside that management's mostly free to do and implement whatever they want HERE! A union, like a lawyer must defend all members without prejudice but why the company agrees with ridiculous antics here I have no idea.
I don't believe GE management has stockholders best interests at heart. If they did management wouldn't put up with what they do in the Erie plant. But since stockholders are ignorant of what isn't obvious, no harm no foul. As for me, I think I'm ready to dump the thousands of shares of GE stock I own and put it in CAT.
I can't imagine two world renowned competitors both being clueless.
Apparently there is no use in attempting to explain something to someone incapable of understanding!
Erie Realist

United States

#39 May 10, 2013
skip the pee pee wrote:
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Oh please. Consider it charity. Explain how an overflow plant not being a overflow plant equals missing the obvious.
Oh Please ? Consider it Charity?.....GE moves it head quarters out of Erie & announces plans to build a plant in Texas allegedly to handle overflow. The factory will be almost 1,000,000 square feet & a second factory of 300,000 square was constructed next door to build motorized wheels for the mining industry.
That is one hell of a lot of overflow!......Has the light bulb over your head brightened a bit or is it still dim?
Neutron Jack

Erie, PA

#40 May 10, 2013
Joe Borgia wrote:
GE would be wise to send Lorenzo Slimeonelli on slow boat to China, he has been problems where ever he lands with GE and it is obvious the job is too big for him now.
How long before the corporate leaders realize that Lorenzo is not worth all the dough he is sucking from the company?
I would guess when he stops making them a Billion dollars every year. No wonder they want to move the plant out of town if this is any indication of how smart their workers are.
living in Erie

Erie, PA

#42 May 10, 2013
Totally odvious.
truth

North East, PA

#43 May 11, 2013
Erie Realist wrote:
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Oh Please ? Consider it Charity?.....GE moves it head quarters out of Erie & announces plans to build a plant in Texas allegedly to handle overflow. The factory will be almost 1,000,000 square feet & a second factory of 300,000 square was constructed next door to build motorized wheels for the mining industry.
That is one hell of a lot of overflow!......Has the light bulb over your head brightened a bit or is it still dim?
The Erie plant has 6 buildings that size (1 mil. sq ft) or close to it.
Adam Bomb

Erie, PA

#44 May 11, 2013
Correction to Neutron Jack, Lorenzo Simonelli didn't make a billion dollar profit for GE alone, it was the labor and management workers who made the product that generated the revenue.
Lorenzo Simonelli does not do a heck of a lot, he gets his marching orders from Connecticut and he has to kiss their a-ses, look for Simonelli to be "fast tracked" out of this division of GE shortly, word is the higher-ups are "less than thrilled" at what is happening under Simonellis' watch. This was not expected to draw as much attention as it is generating and GE does not appreciate negative media attention. It was nice knowing ya Lorenzo!

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Erie, PA

#45 May 12, 2013
truth wrote:
<quoted text>The Erie plant has 6 buildings that size (1 mil. sq ft) or close to it.
At one time General Electric had almost 4,000,000 square feet under roof for manufacturing,offices,power house & warehousing. With the downsizing of Buildings for Tax purposes ...it is anyones guess as to how many square feet they actually use for Manufacturing (I guess about 2.5 Million square feet) but I doubt they have any buildings exceeding 1,000,000 square feet (500 X 2000 feet)certainly never 6... While GE owns 350 acres at the Erie Plant...there is a whole lot of open empty areas there where buildings used to be plus lawns & parking lots.
No doubt the GE Erie facility is larger, but what they have constructed & are presently using in Texas is not a small operation by any measure.With 1,000,000 square feet for locomotive production & 300,000 more square feet for motorized wheel manufacture it is likely the facility will eventually have at a minimum 800 production floor employees.
Oooops

Jamestown, NY

#46 May 12, 2013
skip the pee pee wrote:
<quoted text>
I miss the obvious. Do you mean like when GE announced Texas as "the overflow plant" it was obviously "NOT the overflow plant"? Reminds me of that old joke about how you can tell when a lawyer is lying...
What does your wording "to resolve future competition problems" mean? If they manage in Texas as they manage here, a simple move won't resolve competition problems. But if they manage different than they manage here that means they purposely mismanaged here--and I think that's exactly what's happened.
The only thing unfair to employees is that they lied. Beside that management's mostly free to do and implement whatever they want HERE! A union, like a lawyer must defend all members without prejudice but why the company agrees with ridiculous antics here I have no idea.
I don't believe GE management has stockholders best interests at heart. If they did management wouldn't put up with what they do in the Erie plant. But since stockholders are ignorant of what isn't obvious, no harm no foul. As for me, I think I'm ready to dump the thousands of shares of GE stock I own and put it in CAT.
I can't imagine two world renowned competitors both being clueless.
Put it in Cummins Inc.

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