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Ralph

Erie, PA

#1 Apr 17, 2013
The fact is that Erie left GE.

Over the years Erie has lost the ability to compete with other cities that offer can more.

Our youg people leave to find jobs that can support a family. To find good schools and amenities, to find cities offering opportunity.

GE is leaving because of the bigger picture. Erie has been on a down-turn for a long time. It's not the union, it's not the employees, and it's not personal. It's Erie.
Timothy Leary

Mansfield, OH

#3 Apr 17, 2013
I am just a disturbed little white boy. I should not be on the keyboard. I am too stupid, and that's the stone cold truth.
Ralph

Erie, PA

#4 Apr 17, 2013
skip the pee pee wrote:
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BS. It's management's mismanagement. Nobody from the floor becomes a manager anymore.
A minor point in view of such a complex and serious state of affairs.
Real Tim Leary

Paterson, NJ

#5 Apr 17, 2013
Timothy Leary wrote:
I am just a disturbed little white boy. I should not be on the keyboard. I am too stupid, and that's the stone cold truth.
it makes me feel good that I bother shitstains lke you so much
Reat Tim Leary

Mansfield, OH

#6 Apr 18, 2013
Real Tim Leary wrote:
<quoted text>it makes me feel good that I bother shitstains lke you so much
And furthermore I am someone who licks up shitstains. The Real Tim Leary is exposed as a shiteater and that's a stone cold fact. Getting mad are you Shitty Leary. Ha ha.
Real Tim Leary

Mansfield, OH

#7 Apr 18, 2013
Sum poop got in Timmies eye, I can't even spell Real.
Nasty

Erie, PA

#8 Apr 18, 2013
Ralph wrote:
The fact is that Erie left GE.
Over the years Erie has lost the ability to compete with other cities that offer can more.
Our youg people leave to find jobs that can support a family. To find good schools and amenities, to find cities offering opportunity.
GE is leaving because of the bigger picture. Erie has been on a down-turn for a long time. It's not the union, it's not the employees, and it's not personal. It's Erie.
You're absolutely right and it's incredible that most Erie people haven't a clue about what you're talking about. That's because they've become what I call " Eriefied ". Translation: The dyed in the wool lifers who were born here, raised here, and will die here because they grew up knowing nothing beyond this region. They bought into the whole notion that a high school diploma and a job at places like G.E., Hammermill, American Sterilizer, Kaiser Aluminum, etc. etc. would last forever.
So many Erieified people stopped trying to get better figuring a union membership guarenteed everything they would need for the rest of their lives. Little mention about furthering one's education or an outlook beyond the cozy and familiar borders of a lifestyle that left the barn decades ago. Instead, Erie people decided it was best to hunker in, tighten the belt, and commiserate with the rest of the sad sacks who never contemplated that growth and success comes with aggessively working on improving yourself and your lot in life. Sadly, Erie seeks solace by engaging in the old standby "misery loves company". For many it's all that's left.
Speaking of company, it's those always thought to be there companies that are the aggressive movers and shakers. They make it their business to find the best deals for themselves which still baffles most people here. "Shame on those companies" you cry for moving out but there's also plenty of shame to go around for the thousands of working people who put all their eggs in one basket. Weren't we told as kids never to do that ?
So many never planned to make themselves more diversified and marketable. It's viewed so negatively to be courageous and pack up and go where more and better opportunities exist. In fact most Eriefied people discourage such thoughts when others dare speak this way. It's as if moving on somewhere else to take advantage of outside opportunities will only bring sure death and destruction.
The truth is that it's Erie that is dead and destroyed. I think even the biggest denier of these words knows deep down how true that statement is. Be honest about Erie, do you forecast improvement and better days ahead or a further and steady decline ? Something tells me you know that answer already.
Tim Leary

Mansfield, OH

#9 Apr 18, 2013
Hey Nasty, eat my nuts. You are a pitiful whiner and you should go cry somewhere else. You are probably a bounced union goon yourself. No pity for you Nasty, or you Ralphy Boy. You both otta go to the public dock, ties some heavy cement blocks to your feet and fall in.
Nasty

Erie, PA

#10 Apr 18, 2013
Tim Leary wrote:
Hey Nasty, eat my nuts. You are a pitiful whiner and you should go cry somewhere else. You are probably a bounced union goon yourself. No pity for you Nasty, or you Ralphy Boy. You both otta go to the public dock, ties some heavy cement blocks to your feet and fall in.
And you're the perfect example that makes all I said true ! Thank you for your "intelligent" response.
Ralph

Erie, PA

#11 Apr 19, 2013
Nasty wrote:
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And you're the perfect example that makes all I said true ! Thank you for your "intelligent" response.
Exactly!
Ralph

Erie, PA

#12 Apr 19, 2013
Nasty wrote:
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You're absolutely right and it's incredible that most Erie people haven't a clue about what you're talking about. That's because they've become what I call " Eriefied ". Translation: The dyed in the wool lifers who were born here, raised here, and will die here because they grew up knowing nothing beyond this region. They bought into the whole notion that a high school diploma and a job at places like G.E., Hammermill, American Sterilizer, Kaiser Aluminum, etc. etc. would last forever.
So many Erieified people stopped trying to get better figuring a union membership guarenteed everything they would need for the rest of their lives. Little mention about furthering one's education or an outlook beyond the cozy and familiar borders of a lifestyle that left the barn decades ago. Instead, Erie people decided it was best to hunker in, tighten the belt, and commiserate with the rest of the sad sacks who never contemplated that growth and success comes with aggessively working on improving yourself and your lot in life. Sadly, Erie seeks solace by engaging in the old standby "misery loves company". For many it's all that's left.
Speaking of company, it's those always thought to be there companies that are the aggressive movers and shakers. They make it their business to find the best deals for themselves which still baffles most people here. "Shame on those companies" you cry for moving out but there's also plenty of shame to go around for the thousands of working people who put all their eggs in one basket. Weren't we told as kids never to do that ?
So many never planned to make themselves more diversified and marketable. It's viewed so negatively to be courageous and pack up and go where more and better opportunities exist. In fact most Eriefied people discourage such thoughts when others dare speak this way. It's as if moving on somewhere else to take advantage of outside opportunities will only bring sure death and destruction.
The truth is that it's Erie that is dead and destroyed. I think even the biggest denier of these words knows deep down how true that statement is. Be honest about Erie, do you forecast improvement and better days ahead or a further and steady decline ? Something tells me you know that answer already.
Exactly Again!!
JB Erie

Albion, PA

#13 Apr 20, 2013
Although I agree about constantly trying to better ourselves and not get complacent, what you describe is a "camp full iof Chiefs and no Indians!" Should we all go back to get careers in business, if a career in manufacturing is no longer acceptable as you suggest? So if we're all managers at Walmart, who'se gonna run the registers? Or should we travel in campers from city to city.folliwing jobs like Gypsys? You guys love to blame the uneducated workin stiffs that built this Country for ruining it and not the Corporations that are killing the middle class! O
Oh Ok

Erie, PA

#14 Apr 20, 2013
JB Erie wrote:
Although I agree about constantly trying to better ourselves and not get complacent, what you describe is a "camp full iof Chiefs and no Indians!" Should we all go back to get careers in business, if a career in manufacturing is no longer acceptable as you suggest? So if we're all managers at Walmart, who'se gonna run the registers? Or should we travel in campers from city to city.folliwing jobs like Gypsys? You guys love to blame the uneducated workin stiffs that built this Country for ruining it and not the Corporations that are killing the middle class! O
JB I feel for you, seriously.. I do, but unfortunately your unions went way too far and became far too corrupt for folks to take up too much concern for you anymore. It is simply a nonstarter to ask us nonunion folks to help take action on the behalf of unions.

You're not responsible for the Hoffas and the Troikas and you probably don't sleep on the job at GE while making $42 per hour (my friend does) and so, again, I feel for you but that's about as far as I can go after where your union has gone. The union antics in Wisconsin where they repeatedly tried to violently smash their points through against the elected will of the people, the chicago teachers strike holding kids education hostage while demanding ridiculous benefit increases, etc... All of these things have soured the rest of us to your cause. Sure there is a need for unionization but if I had to pick one I'd pick right to work vs union states. There's much more worker protection legislation on the books than in the 1930's when unions really took hold. There is OSHA and equal employment acts, etc. Again man, I feel for you but if I had to choose I'd have to side against the unions. Just a common nonunion man's opinion.
JB Erie

Albion, PA

#15 Apr 20, 2013
I respect your opinion"Oh ok" but I don't agree with it. Have to wonder if your friend is bs'ing you on his pay or not? If it's straight time, then 42/hr is an unbelievably high average...one that hw won't be able to keep up if he's sleeping. If it's on a Saturday, then that's believable. First off there are rules in place against sleeping, with the second time being termination I believe. So why is Manegement allowing him to either sleep while he's on straight time or not sending him home on OT?
In the end though, your friend is a douche for sleeping on the job and then brag about it on social media where he has friends that are jealous of his job...
JB Erie

Albion, PA

#16 Apr 20, 2013
And I agree about working standards that were implemented because of the union. But the unions also help establish wage rates for non-union shops. So lower the skilled trades wages and where does that leave everybody else's wages? And The UE didn't "strong arm rob" the company into giving us above average wages. GE was able to stay profitable and keep giving yearly raises while other companies froze or cut wages over the years. If GE was losing money than we wouldn't be making what we make for very long. They have already made record profits for the first quarter of 2013! In 2009 when they laid off, they were able to buy up alot of distressed businesses...
Oh Ok

Erie, PA

#17 Apr 20, 2013
JB Erie wrote:
And I agree about working standards that were implemented because of the union. But the unions also help establish wage rates for non-union shops. So lower the skilled trades wages and where does that leave everybody else's wages? And The UE didn't "strong arm rob" the company into giving us above average wages. GE was able to stay profitable and keep giving yearly raises while other companies froze or cut wages over the years. If GE was losing money than we wouldn't be making what we make for very long. They have already made record profits for the first quarter of 2013! In 2009 when they laid off, they were able to buy up alot of distressed businesses...
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I didn't the building number. I don't want to get him fired or in trouble but we are very good friends and I promise you what I tell you is true and it is all over that particular building.

I tell you honestly, if it weren't for one fact I would say unions have outlived their purpose and, because of the things I mentioned above, they should just go away.

That one fact is this. With this ridiculous increase in technology and the ability of machines to do the work of so many so quickly and so efficiently, there is just way too much money ending up in the hands of too few. I am an avowed capitalist BUT this is a phenomenon that must be dealt with in other than capitalistic free market ways or the majority of us are soon to be either on the nanny rolls of government or the indentured servants of the elites. Which now that I think of it I'm even more pissed off at the unions. If they hadn't become so corrupt and ignorant they could have filled that bill.
Union-brother

Erie, PA

#18 Apr 20, 2013
Sleeping or stealing is instant termination, the union does not stand for it, as long as it can be proven, normally need two managers present or photograph. Do people still do it? Likely yes. But I don't care where you work, there are slugs, lousy lazy workers in every field of work out there. Doesn't have to be Union, I am a Machinist, Welder and metal fabrication shop owner that also works at GE. Also a Heavy equipment mechanic for over 10 years before going to a Union shop. Being a business owner there are pros and cons on both sides. I still feel we need unions to keep the wage scales rising with inflation and keep a wage standard. People don't realize what GE is like from outside those gates. They are ruthless and any corporate empire is these days. The Union is the only thing keeping the voice of the worker heard. Basically without the Union the corporations will be the dictators of what all blue collar workers are "worth" in there minds. They already expressed that with there two tier slap in the face wage scale. Also what's your body worth after a lifelong job at Ge? Most guys joints and body's are shot because of the constant repetitive work that is there. People always going out for some surgery. No one is a machine that can run the same parts over and over with simple maintenance. So if you ask me the wages are fair family sustaining jobs, America needs these wages to excel the middle class worker. I don't want to hear this go to college BS either. I know numerous people that spent 60 grand and more for schooling. But guess what a four year degree gets you? Lucky to get 15 an hour. Unless you go into the medical field of some sort or a lawyer most degrees out there aren't taking you far, especially when you get out and basically have a mortgage payment for your education, housing, car, insurances, utilities etc.... Not much left after you add it up if any at all. I still feel a good skilled trade is better then most college degrees. Ever talk to some of these college kids? No common sense anymore, lucky to know how to spray a WD-40 can or know what end of a screw driver to use!
Oh ok

Erie, PA

#19 Apr 21, 2013
Union-brother wrote:
Sleeping or stealing is instant termination, the union does not stand for it, as long as it can be proven, normally need two managers present or photograph. Do people still do it? Likely yes. But I don't care where you work, there are slugs, lousy lazy workers in every field of work out there. Doesn't have to be Union, I am a Machinist, Welder and metal fabrication shop owner that also works at GE. Also a Heavy equipment mechanic for over 10 years before going to a Union shop. Being a business owner there are pros and cons on both sides. I still feel we need unions to keep the wage scales rising with inflation and keep a wage standard. People don't realize what GE is like from outside those gates. They are ruthless and any corporate empire is these days. The Union is the only thing keeping the voice of the worker heard. Basically without the Union the corporations will be the dictators of what all blue collar workers are "worth" in there minds. They already expressed that with there two tier slap in the face wage scale. Also what's your body worth after a lifelong job at Ge? Most guys joints and body's are shot because of the constant repetitive work that is there. People always going out for some surgery. No one is a machine that can run the same parts over and over with simple maintenance. So if you ask me the wages are fair family sustaining jobs, America needs these wages to excel the middle class worker. I don't want to hear this go to college BS either. I know numerous people that spent 60 grand and more for schooling. But guess what a four year degree gets you? Lucky to get 15 an hour. Unless you go into the medical field of some sort or a lawyer most degrees out there aren't taking you far, especially when you get out and basically have a mortgage payment for your education, housing, car, insurances, utilities etc.... Not much left after you add it up if any at all. I still feel a good skilled trade is better then most college degrees. Ever talk to some of these college kids? No common sense anymore, lucky to know how to spray a WD-40 can or know what end of a screw driver to use!
Every point you make is a good one (with the possible exception of the wear and tear on the body. That's pretty much just how life is as we age and unless your employer is making you do something really drastic the bringing of it up here discredits your better points).

If you guys want the full support of average non-union joes like myself here is what I would suggest. Get rid of the Troikas, the Hoffas and the other wannabe mafia types that have infested your leadership for 40 years AND quit acting like thugs at rallies. That's where you really lose us! If a city or a state passes a law forbidding taxes being subject to union dealings then that is the end of it. When your union brothers show up with your thugs, like you did in Wisconsin, I promise you that you lose all support from average folks like me. When union workers sabotage nonunion constructions sites (there are hundreds of examples) again, you lose all support from folks like me. When union strength or policy makes it damn near impossible to fire even the laziest of workers you lose all support. You guys need better leadership. One that has common sense on issues like I just mentioned. The likes of Troika, although getting you places in the short term, have hurt your cause in ways you cannot easily fix.
Flint Westwood

Erie, PA

#20 Apr 21, 2013
Just remember to vote straight democratic,with their uninterrupted 50 straight years record of progress ....they will get this resolved.
Vandelay

Pittsburgh, PA

#21 May 7, 2013
I lived in Erie for 6 years, worked at a couple of local places, including GE. The moment I graduated (Engineering degree from Behrend) I got the hell out of there. Erie is a shithole, plain and simple. Just one walk down the State St on Saturday night tells you everything, or a drive on the lovely 12th street.
No wonder GE execs moved to Chicago, what is there for them in Erie except jobs..nothing. I can speak from my personal experience, aside from a few months during the summer, I hated everything else about Erie..lack of museums, theaters, musical guests (Poison and such forgotten bands from 80s do not count), basically there is not much to do there. Sorry Erie, but you are a dead end, and I can totally understand companies moving out, not just for financial reason but for all these other reasons too.

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