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Woman Sues Denver for Not Enforcing Immigration Laws

There are 43 comments on the Crime & Federalism story from Feb 4, 2009, titled Woman Sues Denver for Not Enforcing Immigration Laws. In it, Crime & Federalism reports that:

I've done the research, and these are impossible cases to win. I don't blame the plaintiff for trying : An Englewood woman who was inside the Baskin-Robbins ice cream shop in Aurora when an illegal immigrant ...

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Since: Mar 07

Denver, but on pause...

#26 Feb 18, 2009
TirzhaZ wrote:
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Do you have a link handy detailing the exact bill? I'd have to read it to form an opinion, but I assume the in-state tuition would apply to those entering college right out of high school, not a 30yo illegal alien that came over the border a year ago. Should we hold these children accountable for actions their parents took? And wouldn't we want them to be educated? And how will giving in-state tuition to illegal aliens effect in-state citizens? If higher education is becoming increasingly unaffordable for citizens, I can't imagine many immigrants will be able to afford even the in-state rates since the Mexican community has been the hardest hit during the recession.
I am genuinely asking for your view on this and answers to these questions. I would like to hear your opinion rather than an exceprt from an article because I think that would help me understand you better. I can understand the anger about giving illegal aliens lower tuition rates, but how will it actually Colorado?
It's fairly simple...Colorado will spend itself into another California by coddling "any" specific group, including ILLEGALS...California did it to the n'th degree by catering to "all" of them (gays, blacks/hispanics, ILLEGALS, inmates, mice etc...)and this is not fair to anyone involved, but more so not to Americans and every other LEGAL citizen...California is proposing cutting off the children of ILLEGALS from state services, and it's high time they did...The closing of many hospitals, the draining of state resources, the dumbing down of our education system due to language "barriers" are ALL attributed to the ignorance, not tolerance, of their ILLEGAL behavior...
If you give them in-state tuition, it will be available to ALL "children" of ILLEGALS, adult or not, who are eligible to enroll, since that would be "age discrimination", and you don't see too many minors in college...Another violation of a "right" that said ILLEGAL does NOT have by virtue of their ILLEGAL status...Not to mention, they use the parents income when figuring out financial aid, and the parents cannot be held to a contract (which it is) if they're ILLEGAL...Essentially bleeding yet another system dry at our expense...Real fair to our kids,'eh?...
So, you see the formula for even deeper debt by allowing for such a thing...It is a plan to educate ILLEGALS at the expense of the taxpayer, and nothing more...OUR rights/privileges, as LEGAL citizens, should not be a reward for those who remain ILLEGAL, or their children...
Pete

United States

#28 Feb 19, 2009
Hussie wrote:
<quoted text>It's fairly simple...Colorado will spend itself into another California by coddling "any" specific group, including ILLEGALS...California did it to the n'th degree by catering to "all" of them (gays, blacks/hispanics, ILLEGALS, inmates, mice etc...)and this is not fair to anyone involved, but more so not to Americans and every other LEGAL citizen...California is proposing cutting off the children of ILLEGALS from state services, and it's high time they did...The closing of many hospitals, the draining of state resources, the dumbing down of our education system due to language "barriers" are ALL attributed to the ignorance, not tolerance, of their ILLEGAL behavior...
If you give them in-state tuition, it will be available to ALL "children" of ILLEGALS, adult or not, who are eligible to enroll, since that would be "age discrimination", and you don't see too many minors in college...Another violation of a "right" that said ILLEGAL does NOT have by virtue of their ILLEGAL status...Not to mention, they use the parents income when figuring out financial aid, and the parents cannot be held to a contract (which it is) if they're ILLEGAL...Essentially bleeding yet another system dry at our expense...Real fair to our kids,'eh?...
So, you see the formula for even deeper debt by allowing for such a thing...It is a plan to educate ILLEGALS at the expense of the taxpayer, and nothing more...OUR rights/privileges, as LEGAL citizens, should not be a reward for those who remain ILLEGAL, or their children...
Beautifly said.......
Joey

Dallas, TX

#29 Feb 19, 2009
Why are immigrants treated so unfair. I had a great life and has been waiting on my permanent visa for over ten years since most of my family lives in the USA. I am now stuck with an H1b visa in an enviornment filled with discrimination, predujice and hate and cant seem to make ends meet since my requests for pay increase is refused so for four years I have to borrow to subsidise basic living costs, my debt is now $54000.00. This is astonishing for someone who used to pride himself on never having debts.
Just a couple years before on an F1 student visa I could send myself through college, develop companies make people successful, give back to society and develop others, now because of poor immigration practicies and laws and discrimination. I silently suffer feeling overwhelmed,helpless and embarassed with no friends and no hope.
This really hurts when one could be highly successful and constantly helping to create a better society. Now things have changed...It is so unfair.

“Love all, trust a few. -W.S.”

Since: Oct 08

Denver Metro

#30 Feb 19, 2009
Joey wrote:
Why are immigrants treated so unfair. I had a great life and has been waiting on my permanent visa for over ten years since most of my family lives in the USA. I am now stuck with an H1b visa in an enviornment filled with discrimination, predujice and hate and cant seem to make ends meet since my requests for pay increase is refused so for four years I have to borrow to subsidise basic living costs, my debt is now $54000.00. This is astonishing for someone who used to pride himself on never having debts.
Just a couple years before on an F1 student visa I could send myself through college, develop companies make people successful, give back to society and develop others, now because of poor immigration practicies and laws and discrimination. I silently suffer feeling overwhelmed,helpless and embarassed with no friends and no hope.
This really hurts when one could be highly successful and constantly helping to create a better society. Now things have changed...It is so unfair.
Where are you from and what line of work are you in? I imagine you have a good education if you're on an H-1B visa, no? How old are you? Do your parents live in the US? If your entire family lives here as you say they should be able to sponsor you for a visa, right? Something isn't adding up.

Right now it is hard for Americans to be successful as well, it has nothing to do with where you're from. My husband is from Europe as are the majority of his friends and none of them complain about being treated unfairly. Life's tough. It would be the same for an American abroad. Would you rather your home country give preference to an American rather than a citizen? In order to get a well-paying, secure job you have to be a resident alien at the very least, that's just the way it is. My husband was recently offered an internship with a government company over several other citizen candidates. He is awaiting citizenship, but still only carries a green card. He worked hard, studied hard, and prepared himself and now he won the internship. It has nothing to do with the fact that he's from Lithuania.

The only time he is treated "unfairly" is when we travel and we're both flagged for extra security checks because of our ridiculously long names and the beard he insists on growing out of vacation laziness. I find it humorous, not unfair.

I'm not trying to put you on the spot, but you've got to look at the other side of the coin.
Joey

Dallas, TX

#31 Feb 20, 2009
TirzhaZ wrote:
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Where are you from and what line of work are you in? I imagine you have a good education if you're on an H-1B visa, no? How old are you? Do your parents live in the US? If your entire family lives here as you say they should be able to sponsor you for a visa, right? Something isn't adding up.
Right now it is hard for Americans to be successful as well, it has nothing to do with where you're from. My husband is from Europe as are the majority of his friends and none of them complain about being treated unfairly. Life's tough. It would be the same for an American abroad. Would you rather your home country give preference to an American rather than a citizen? In order to get a well-paying, secure job you have to be a resident alien at the very least, that's just the way it is. My husband was recently offered an internship with a government company over several other citizen candidates. He is awaiting citizenship, but still only carries a green card. He worked hard, studied hard, and prepared himself and now he won the internship. It has nothing to do with the fact that he's from Lithuania.
The only time he is treated "unfairly" is when we travel and we're both flagged for extra security checks because of our ridiculously long names and the beard he insists on growing out of vacation laziness. I find it humorous, not unfair.
I'm not trying to put you on the spot, but you've got to look at the other side of the coin.
I am from Jamaica, I have already done internships and left my original company to develop another on the agreement to become a general manager. however the general manager that hired me left for another job. Long story short New person or leader, instills new ideology and culture. Cost of living increases, my wage stays the same, I am demoted so as not to increase my pay. Too bad that I became unfortunate in this situation, If I had my permanent visa for which my mom had filed for over seven years now I would have walked away,and even start a successful business. But now I feel trapped waiting on the visa while my situation gets worse.
If I knew that the policy was this stupid and unfriendly I would have gone to Canada since their policies are more friendly with my qulaifications 6 mths for permanant residence and three years for citizenship.
I am a proud honorable person who does not discuss my bad situations and always find solutions to problems. Now I just feel trapped as things gets worse.

“Love all, trust a few. -W.S.”

Since: Oct 08

Denver Metro

#32 Feb 20, 2009
Joey wrote:
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I am from Jamaica, I have already done internships and left my original company to develop another on the agreement to become a general manager. however the general manager that hired me left for another job. Long story short New person or leader, instills new ideology and culture. Cost of living increases, my wage stays the same, I am demoted so as not to increase my pay. Too bad that I became unfortunate in this situation, If I had my permanent visa for which my mom had filed for over seven years now I would have walked away,and even start a successful business. But now I feel trapped waiting on the visa while my situation gets worse.
If I knew that the policy was this stupid and unfriendly I would have gone to Canada since their policies are more friendly with my qulaifications 6 mths for permanant residence and three years for citizenship.
I am a proud honorable person who does not discuss my bad situations and always find solutions to problems. Now I just feel trapped as things gets worse.
Visa or not, millions upon millions in the US feel trapped. I'm talking about citizens as well. Actually, I'm referring in large part to citizens. You would run across the same problem in Canada or something similar. In times like these if an employer has two equally educated and experienced candidates for a job, the natural-born citizen will get it 9 times out of 10, and there just aren't enough jobs to go around right now.

As far as your visa goes, I wouldn't suggest you go back to Jamaica since living conditions there are undoubtedly worse than here, but why is your visa being denied? There has to be good reason or it wouldn't take 7 years. I'm not an expert on the immigration process, but this doesn't sound right. If your parents are here they can sponsor you in order for you to get a different visa or a green card.

“Love all, trust a few. -W.S.”

Since: Oct 08

Denver Metro

#33 Feb 20, 2009
No, back to Hussie. Regarding my last post aimed at you (and anyone else that wants to jump in) is there not some kind of middle ground that could make everyone happy? Wouldn't eliminating student loans to the children of illegal immigrants eliminate at least most of the problems you were discussing? I know in-state tuition is considered a public benefit, but the fees still cover all the costs associated with each individual's schooling. So, wouldn't it be a good thing to have those paid up front rather than risking a defaulted loan that has to be covered by the government? I'm not sure if that all came out exactly how I wanted it to sound, but it's nearly 6am and I've been up all night. Please forgive any confusion!

“Love all, trust a few. -W.S.”

Since: Oct 08

Denver Metro

#34 Feb 20, 2009
That should say *Now, back to Hussie* :)

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Since: Mar 07

Denver, but on pause...

#35 Feb 20, 2009
TirzhaZ wrote:
No, back to Hussie. Regarding my last post aimed at you (and anyone else that wants to jump in) is there not some kind of middle ground that could make everyone happy? Wouldn't eliminating student loans to the children of illegal immigrants eliminate at least most of the problems you were discussing? I know in-state tuition is considered a public benefit, but the fees still cover all the costs associated with each individual's schooling. So, wouldn't it be a good thing to have those paid up front rather than risking a defaulted loan that has to be covered by the government? I'm not sure if that all came out exactly how I wanted it to sound, but it's nearly 6am and I've been up all night. Please forgive any confusion!
No government entitlements should be available to those here ILLEGALLY, or their children...You see, the sole reason we have such an abundance of "Anchor Babies" is because these ILLEGALS took advantage of the antiquated 14th Amendment, which was designed to help the children of "slaves", and not to be abused by hordes of ILLEGALS who jumped the border in their third trimester to secure financial aid from America...
Face it, if we allow for the children of ILLEGALS to continue getting "freebies", we will never recover economically...And, when it comes to "loans", they should not qualify unless their parents are legal citizens, much like any other loan...
MountainMan

Saint Paul, MN

#36 Feb 20, 2009
TirzhaZ wrote:
No, back to Hussie. Regarding my last post aimed at you (and anyone else that wants to jump in) is there not some kind of middle ground that could make everyone happy? Wouldn't eliminating student loans to the children of illegal immigrants eliminate at least most of the problems you were discussing? I know in-state tuition is considered a public benefit, but the fees still cover all the costs associated with each individual's schooling. So, wouldn't it be a good thing to have those paid up front rather than risking a defaulted loan that has to be covered by the government? I'm not sure if that all came out exactly how I wanted it to sound, but it's nearly 6am and I've been up all night. Please forgive any confusion!
If someone breaks into your house and demands benefits, are you going to offer the burglar a middle ground???
If so, what's to stop the burglar from telling others you happily give what they demand when they break into your house and have the same thing repeat over and over.

Sound familiar?

“This too shall pass”

Since: May 08

Location hidden

#37 Feb 20, 2009
I think the bottom line is these people and their children are not supposed to be here and therefore are not entitled to squat. Resources are finite and *anything* they take, takes away from a legal citizen of this country; regardless of if they give anything.

“Love all, trust a few. -W.S.”

Since: Oct 08

Denver Metro

#38 Feb 20, 2009
Joey wrote:
<quoted text>
I am from Jamaica, I have already done internships and left my original company to develop another on the agreement to become a general manager. however the general manager that hired me left for another job. Long story short New person or leader, instills new ideology and culture. Cost of living increases, my wage stays the same, I am demoted so as not to increase my pay. Too bad that I became unfortunate in this situation, If I had my permanent visa for which my mom had filed for over seven years now I would have walked away,and even start a successful business. But now I feel trapped waiting on the visa while my situation gets worse.
If I knew that the policy was this stupid and unfriendly I would have gone to Canada since their policies are more friendly with my qulaifications 6 mths for permanant residence and three years for citizenship.
I am a proud honorable person who does not discuss my bad situations and always find solutions to problems. Now I just feel trapped as things gets worse.
I just wanted to let you know one of my husband's friends had/has a similar problem to yours. His parents have lived here for a very long time and are citizens, but he has been waiting for years for his green card to be processed. It might not be ideal, but apparently everyone is treated the same. He's from Lithuania, for the record.

“Love all, trust a few. -W.S.”

Since: Oct 08

Denver Metro

#39 Feb 20, 2009
MountainMan wrote:
<quoted text>
If someone breaks into your house and demands benefits, are you going to offer the burglar a middle ground???
If so, what's to stop the burglar from telling others you happily give what they demand when they break into your house and have the same thing repeat over and over.
Sound familiar?
Your analogy is correct, but I think it works better for every illegal alien/US relationship other than education. As long as they're paying for their courses up front and putting a little cash into our colleges, they're not really demanding anything other than to be educated. And I would prefer it if everyone received continued education regardless of who they are. To me, the education analogy would go more like: Imagine if someone breaks into your business, grabs an armful of goods, and hands you a wad of cash to pay for them before walking out the door. It's still breaking and entering. But it's not robbery. Sure it's illegal to break into someone's business, but it's a lesser charge than robbery. And I doubt that particular business owner would press charges unless anything was broken. After all, it's a down economy and he's happy to sell anything at all.

I'm not asking for a middle ground on everything. I'm not even asking for a middle ground on this. I'm just trying to get a real analysis of the pros and cons of both sides. I have yet to see those answers, so I still can't form a truly educated opinion on the subject. If an the child of an illegal enters college right out of high school and pays for their courses up front, what are the down sides to that? Let's say there's an age limit for these students of 23 since that is the age at which you no longer are considered dependants of your parents for student loan purposes.

“Love all, trust a few. -W.S.”

Since: Oct 08

Denver Metro

#40 Feb 20, 2009
Hussie wrote:
<quoted text>...
Face it, if we allow for the children of ILLEGALS to continue getting "freebies", we will never recover economically...And, when it comes to "loans", they should not qualify unless their parents are legal citizens, much like any other loan...
But I'm not talking about loans or freebies. I'm talking about the pros and cons of allowing the offspring of these illegal aliens attend college provided the courses are paid for up front. What are they?

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Since: Mar 07

Denver, but on pause...

#41 Feb 21, 2009
TirzhaZ wrote:
<quoted text>
But I'm not talking about loans or freebies. I'm talking about the pros and cons of allowing the offspring of these illegal aliens attend college provided the courses are paid for up front. What are they?
It all depends on "who" is paying for the courses...As long as it isn't the American taxpayer...
Also, we really don't need our higher education system dumbed down anymore than it already is...America isn't exactly at the top of the list when it comes to education, and that's directly related to the catering to of the children of ILLEGALS...
Toke N Black

Englewood, CO

#42 Apr 17, 2009
Please leave these people alone. They supply the best weed money can buy and my lawn always looks nice.

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Since: Mar 07

Denver, but on pause...

#43 Apr 17, 2009
Toke N Black wrote:
Please leave these people alone. They supply the best weed money can buy and my lawn always looks nice.
Grow your own...Mow your own...

“This too shall pass”

Since: May 08

Location hidden

#44 Apr 17, 2009
Hussie wrote:
<quoted text>Grow your own...Mow your own...
you should put that on a t-shirt

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Denver, but on pause...

#45 Apr 17, 2009
jasin wrote:
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you should put that on a t-shirt
Right...
Makes you wonder how many people will get it?...

However, it speaks volumes as to the issues surrounding ILLEGALS these days...Killing each other to see who can get their "goods" into the U.S., and using anyone they can in their efforts...

You'll never convince me that ALL of the drugs coming in from Mexico are being consumed by American's...
While I know my fair share of those who imbibe in weed, I don't know anyone who does heroin, meth, or coke anymore...Even the younger generations are shying away from that shit in favor of a fatty, and I am glad to see that...Too many have been lost to the hardcore, synthetic shit and folks just aren't into it like they once were...It made its trip across the nation, had its day, and has become a passing phase...

So, while Obongo is down there making nice and blaming us American's for Mexico's ills we should be thanking our lucky stars...The "truth" about just "who" is in bed with the cartels is well on its way to being brought out...Look out Hillary, your deeds done in darkness are almost in the light...

“This too shall pass”

Since: May 08

Location hidden

#46 Apr 17, 2009
Hussie wrote:
<quoted text>Right...
Makes you wonder how many people will get it?...
However, it speaks volumes as to the issues surrounding ILLEGALS these days...Killing each other to see who can get their "goods" into the U.S., and using anyone they can in their efforts...
You'll never convince me that ALL of the drugs coming in from Mexico are being consumed by American's...
While I know my fair share of those who imbibe in weed, I don't know anyone who does heroin, meth, or coke anymore...Even the younger generations are shying away from that shit in favor of a fatty, and I am glad to see that...Too many have been lost to the hardcore, synthetic shit and folks just aren't into it like they once were...It made its trip across the nation, had its day, and has become a passing phase...
So, while Obongo is down there making nice and blaming us American's for Mexico's ills we should be thanking our lucky stars...The "truth" about just "who" is in bed with the cartels is well on its way to being brought out...Look out Hillary, your deeds done in darkness are almost in the light...
I know you're kind of stuck there, but you need to come back to CO before you're the last tax payer in the once great state; or before it's signed over to mexico by obama as payment for all the supposed guns and evil we export there.

I hadn't thought about who else might be using drugs from mex. Do you think they're shipping out from the U.S., or did you have something else in mind?

Oh, did you see barak and hugo together? the dictator constantly bashes us and calls for our destruction, and jackass is down there being all smiles. WE're about a year from seeing obama and osama at their joint press conference.

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