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#307 Feb 23, 2010
We must get past Pluralism to believe the bible teaches the one church of our Lord in the New Testament.

Pluralism and the New Testament teach opposing doctrines.

Pluralism teaches there are many churches and the Lord is pleased with most all of them.

The NT teaches the Lord died to establish and is pleased with only one church and all the saved (Christians) are found in that one body (Church)(Mt.16:18)(Acts 20:28).

16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:(Eph.2:16)

But now are they many members, yet but one body.(1Cor.12:20)

4 For as we have many members in one body, and all members have not the same office:(Rom.12:4)

How many times does the Lord need to say something before we will accept and believe it?

He said there was only one church in the three verse above. Why do so many reject the one body (church) taught in the word of God.

48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.(John 12:48)

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#308 Mar 15, 2010
The lessons below point all men to the word of God.

They teach truth.

Saved Outside The Church?

http://www.gospelpreceptor.com/GobbelC1.htm

"I'm Saved, But Not A Member Of The Church"

http://www.gospelpreceptor.com/BreweJ65.htm

Must One Be A Member of The Lord's Church To Be Saved?

http://www.gospelpreceptor.com/Vaughan1.htm

Salvation And Counterfeit Churches

http://www.gospelpreceptor.com/BreweJ49.htm

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#309 Mar 16, 2010
Do you still have to be Church of Christ to get a job with the Sulphur Springs School District?

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#310 Mar 17, 2010
Sorry, I cannot help you with your question.

I really doubt that is true or ever was true.

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fort worth

#311 Mar 23, 2010
amazing to me that your interpretation of god is incredibly concerned with the degree of wetness acheived by his believers on one occassion yet does not appear too terribly concerned with the degree of hunger many experience each and every day !

sectual division is all

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#312 Mar 23, 2010
scuter pie wrote:
amazing to me that your interpretation of god is incredibly concerned with the degree of wetness acheived by his believers on one occassion yet does not appear too terribly concerned with the degree of hunger many experience each and every day !
sectual division is all
Hello scuter pie and thank you for posting.

Immersion in water for the forgiveness of sins is a command of God,so yes members of the church of Christ are concerned about people understanding that baptism is the point in which man connects with the death of our Lord upon the cross (Acts 8:30-39)(Mark 16:15,16)(1Peter 3:20,21)(Heb.10:22)(Gal.3:27).

Immersion in water is the point in which the blood of our Lord cleanses the sins of the obedient (Heb.5:9)(Acts 10:34,35)(Eph.1:7)(Acts 22:16). Note the lesson we can glean from (2Kings 5:14) and (John 9:7). When did Naaman and the blind man receive their blessings, before or after washing in water?

The word of God is very clear about WHAT cleanses the sins of man and about WHEN this cleansing happens (Rev.1:5)(Acts 2:38 ; 22:16). All man needs to do is put the information within these verses together to learn truth about these matters.

It is wise to read the sum of Gods word on any bible subject and then reach a conclusion based upon all the information of God. Then and only then will we arrive at the right conclusion.(1Peter 4:11).

When it comes to benevolence you do not know what we do in our location. To make a judgment without knowing that information is not following the lesson in (John 7:24).

24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

10 As we have therefore opportunity, let us do good unto all men, especially unto them who are of the household of faith.(Gal.6:10)

A Response to "Common Sense Questions a 'Church of Christ' Preacher Cannot Clearly Answer"

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#313 Mar 23, 2010
Below you will find a very short but good lesson on scriptural baptism.


The Essential Elements of Scriptural Baptism

http://www.gospelpreceptor.com/ClarkeB1.htm

Since: Jun 09

Scrotum, Idaho

#314 Mar 23, 2010
JB Good wrote:
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Below you will find a very short but good lesson on scriptural baptism.
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I believe in baptism.

The only issue with it is whether or not it's essential to salvation.

Classic case:

A profession of faith is made. He/she trips and falls on the way up the steps to the baptistry - and dies.

Does he/she have salvation - or not?

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#315 Mar 23, 2010
Telstar wrote:
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I believe in baptism.
The only issue with it is whether or not it's essential to salvation.
Classic case:
A profession of faith is made. He/she trips and falls on the way up the steps to the baptistry - and dies.
Does he/she have salvation - or not?
God has spoken (Heb 1:1,2). We have the mind of God in the NT (Phil.2:5). We will be judged by the words found in the NT (John 12:48).

So two things are very important to be saved.

1. One must understand truth according to (Acts 8:30-39).

2. One must obey truth (Heb.5:9)(John 9:31)(Acts 10:34,35).

The scenario you gave above deals with the last few moments of a persons life. But what about all the rest of the time the lord blessed that person with time and opportunity to learn truth and obey it? I think this is a more important question.

(2Thess.1:7-9)- gives you the answer.

7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Jesus will take vengeance upon those who -

1. that know not God

2. and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ

My question to you would be,what if the person fell and died just before their "profession of faith is made".

My question is, must one profess to have faith in Christ to be saved?

Here is what the Lord said and He said it was a part of the gospel.

...preach the gospel to every creature. 16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;...(Mark 16:15,16)

16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.(Acts 22:16)

...in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water. 21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (1Peter 3:20,21)

...eight souls were saved by water

...eight souls were saved by water

...eight souls were saved by water

Noah and his family was saved by water (vs) 20

Notice also (John 9;7)and (2Kings 5:14). Would they have been blessed without going to the water?(Rom.15:4)(1Cor.10:11)


Men today are saved by baptism (immersion in water)(vs) 21

...baptism doth also now save us

...baptism doth also now save us

...baptism doth also now save us


What kind of baptism?(Acts 8:38,39)

...they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him. 39 And when they were come up out of the water,...

How many baptisms are there?(Eph.4:4,5)

5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

Question - How many times does the Lord have to say something before we will accept it as truth?

It only took Saul once in (Acts 9:1-6).

6 And he trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt thou have me to do?

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http://www.deusvitae.com/faith/responses/bapt...

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#316 Mar 23, 2010
Telstar wrote:
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I believe in baptism.
The only issue with it is whether or not it's essential to salvation.
Classic case:
A profession of faith is made. He/she trips and falls on the way up the steps to the baptistry - and dies.
Does he/she have salvation - or not?
The lessons in post # 308 will convince any good and honest heart that water immersion is essential for salvation. Maybe you missed that post. It would be time well spent.



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Since: Oct 08

Danville, VA

#317 Apr 16, 2010
So I found you guys, why did you leave the Martinsville forums??

Water worship were Jesus blood has no power to save except their be water, if I were Satan I would have my followers with buckets taking water into space and tossing it into the sun to condemn all men!

Since after all water is Jesus' bloods Achilles heal!

So guys when was Abraham justified, when he had faith and believed God or when he was circumcised according to Paul's teaching?

When was Cornelius justified before God?

Since: Jun 09

Scrotum, Idaho

#318 Apr 16, 2010
JB Good wrote:
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God has spoken (Heb 1:1,2). We have the mind of God in the NT (Phil.2:5). We will be judged by the words found in the NT (John 12:48).
So two things are very important to be saved.
1. One must understand truth according to (Acts 8:30-39).
2. One must obey truth (Heb.5:9)(John 9:31)(Acts 10:34,35).
The scenario you gave above deals with the last few moments of a persons life. But what about all the rest of the time the lord blessed that person with time and opportunity to learn truth and obey it? I think this is a more important question.
(2Thess.1:7-9)- gives you the answer.
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
Jesus will take vengeance upon those who -
1. that know not God
2. and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ
My question to you would be,what if the person fell and died just before their "profession of faith is made".
My question is, must one profess to have faith in Christ to be saved?
Here is what the Lord said and He said it was a part of the gospel.
...preach the gospel to every creature. 16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;...(Mark 16:15,16)
16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.(Acts 22:16)
...in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water. 21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (1Peter 3:20,21)
...eight souls were saved by water
...eight souls were saved by water
...eight souls were saved by water
Noah and his family was saved by water (vs) 20
Notice also (John 9;7)and (2Kings 5:14). Would they have been blessed without going to the water?(Rom.15:4)(1Cor.10:11)
Men today are saved by baptism (immersion in water)(vs) 21
...baptism doth also now save us
...baptism doth also now save us
...baptism doth also now save us
What kind of baptism?(Acts 8:38,39)
...they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him. 39 And when they were come up out of the water,...
How many baptisms are there?(Eph.4:4,5)
5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
Question - How many times does the Lord have to say something before we will accept it as truth?
It only took Saul once in (Acts 9:1-6).
6 And he trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt thou have me to do?
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A Response to "Common Sense Questions a 'Church of Christ' Preacher Cannot Clearly Answer"
http://www.deusvitae.com/faith/responses/bapt...
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And your answer is yes - or no?
Faith- Rom-10-17

Celina, TX

#319 Apr 18, 2010
Telstar wrote:
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I believe in baptism.
The only issue with it is whether or not it's essential to salvation.
Classic case:
A profession of faith is made. He/she trips and falls on the way up the steps to the baptistry - and dies.
Does he/she have salvation - or not?
What if he/she falls and trips on the way up to the baptistery and dies before they make a profession of faith, are they saved?

You go to the bible to show one must make a profession of faith to be saved. I am also going to the bible to show one must be immersed in water for the ren=mission of their sins (Acts 2:38)(Acts 22:16)(Heb.10:22)

Notice the blind man and Naaman in (John 9:1-7)(2Kings 5:14). Did they have to obey the instructions from the Lord before they were blessed?(Rom.15:4)(1Cor.10:11)

4 For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.
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Do you believe what the bible says?

All blessings are "in Christ" (Eph.1:3).

How does the alien sinner get "into Christ"?(Gal.3:27)

Notice the words buried "with him" by baptism -(Rom.6:4)

Just like the Ethiopian eunuch done.(Acts 8:38,39)

and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.

39 And when they were come up out of the water,

When we read (Acts 8:5,12,13,26-39) we learn that to preach Christ is to teach water baptism. Notice also that the Eunuch did not rejoice till after being immersed in water for the remission of his sins (Acts 2:38 ; 22:16)(Acts 8:39)

39 And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing.

and he went on his way rejoicing.
and he went on his way rejoicing.
and he went on his way rejoicing.

Also notice (Acts 16:30-34).
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Danville, VA

#320 Apr 19, 2010
Faith you already know those answers, if someone dies before baptism they go to hell because baptism is the narrow way and the way, the truth and the life, as nobody comes before the father except they go through baptism.

Simply put if you are repentant on your death bed and wanting a preacher, don't call John, because he will answer, so sad, to bad you had your chance already.

In effect, like the wicked servant who hid his talents, they are unwilling to risk anything for fear of the Father quashing them like a bug!

I'm still waiting on John to explain how jesus can lie to the woman at the well because of her unbelief in Ezra 10 instead of setting her straight about the 5 husbands, four that John would call not her husband if you called his show in the same situation.

Or how he can whine about believers going before nonbelievers in talking about his son's trail when the passage he is dancing around also talks about brothers, something he and his cult have clearly said they are not to westover and all others who have the nerve to disagree with the self appointed speakers of truth!
heartandmind

Moline, IL

#321 Apr 19, 2010
heath, you're starting to sound like some of those Mormons that trot around our neighborhoods.
Teaching Truth

Quinlan, TX

#322 Sep 30, 2010
I am a member of the church of Christ because they teach truth (John 17:17)(1Tim.2:4)(1Peter 1:22).

Are you sure the church you attend teaches truth?
Test its doctrine (1John 4:1-6)(Acts 17:11). Be sure you are being taught truth.

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Scrotum, Idaho

#323 Oct 1, 2010
walkinginlove wrote:
if someone dies before baptism they go to hell
My wife and I periodically debate this:

What if someone makes a profession of faith, prepares for the baptism, but trips, falls, and is severely injured as he/she goes up the steps to the baptistry.

This person subsequently dies from these injuries.

Does this person go to hell?

Or does God recognize what's in the person's heart?
heartandmind

Moline, IL

#324 Oct 1, 2010
Telstar wrote:
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My wife and I periodically debate this:
What if someone makes a profession of faith, prepares for the baptism, but trips, falls, and is severely injured as he/she goes up the steps to the baptistry.
This person subsequently dies from these injuries.
Does this person go to hell?
Or does God recognize what's in the person's heart?
sadly, another example of late is someone bursting into the chapel or the church and opening fire on the people inside.

another one over the past weekend.
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Quinlan, TX

#325 Oct 1, 2010
Telstar wrote:
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My wife and I periodically debate this:
What if someone makes a profession of faith, prepares for the baptism, but trips, falls, and is severely injured as he/she goes up the steps to the baptistry.
This person subsequently dies from these injuries.
Does this person go to hell?
Or does God recognize what's in the person's heart?
What if the person dies just before he makes a profession of faith?

Does this person go to hell?

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#326 Oct 1, 2010
Telstar wrote:
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My wife and I periodically debate this:
What if someone makes a profession of faith, prepares for the baptism, but trips, falls, and is severely injured as he/she goes up the steps to the baptistry.
This person subsequently dies from these injuries.
Does this person go to hell?
Or does God recognize what's in the person's heart?
(John 3:3-5)(Mark 16:15,16)(Acts 2:38 ; 38,39 ; 22:16)

The scriptures above should answer your question.

But let me ask you this, if a person dies before he repents will he go to heaven? Remember the scripture says one must repent before one can be saved.

3 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.(Luke 13:3)

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