East Penn SD Battles Budget Woes - Re...

East Penn SD Battles Budget Woes - Regional News - Lehigh Valley Story - WFMZ Allentown

There are 25 comments on the WFMZ story from Jan 25, 2011, titled East Penn SD Battles Budget Woes - Regional News - Lehigh Valley Story - WFMZ Allentown. In it, WFMZ reports that:

Budget problems were laid out on the "roundtable" at an East Penn School District meeting in Lehigh County Tuesday night.

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ANGRY MACUNGIE RESIDENT

New Tripoli, PA

#1 Jan 26, 2011
THIS MUST BE A MILLIONAIRE MAKING A REDICULOUS COMMENT LIKE THIS AND SOMEONE WHO MAKES 7 FIGURES A YEAR SAYING AND I QUOTE "so if that means higher taxes and it can be done in a way that's fiscally responsible, then I would support the board's decision." YOU JUST GAVE THE EAST PENN SCHOOL DISTRICT YOUR PERSONAL O.K. TO RAISE ALL OUR TAXES. THANKS, I HOPE YOU HAVE THE MONEY TO PAY IT ALL YOURSELF!
PEOPLE ON FIXED INCOMES LIKE THE ELDERLY AND DISABLED CANNOT AFFORD HIGHER EAST PENN SCHOOL TAXES.
AND ALL THE SPORTS PROGRAMS SHOULD BE FUNDED BY THE PARENTS WHO WANT THEIR KIDS IN THAT SPORT AND NOT BY PEOPLE THAT CAN'T AFFORD.
THIS SCHOOL DISTRICT THINKS THEY ARE A COUNTRY CLUB!!
Creighton

Bethlehem, PA

#2 Jan 26, 2011
First of all why do we even have a state law that allows a limit on a tax increase when all we have to do is ask for more?
Secondly, what are we doing with the Casino $$ that Fat Eddie Rendell said would help home owners?
Lastly what have our State Lawmakers aka Law breakers do to tackle the issue of school taxes.....thats right...... nothing.
We all get what we deserve......elect people who are worthless and probably could never get a job any place else. Hey that is why they are always smiling.

God bless the elderly.
mad mom of special needs

Emmaus, PA

#3 Jan 26, 2011
i agree with u ANGRY east penn sd has been greedy and spending the money on verything BUT THE KIDS..god they dnt even have enough books for all the kids in the classes but yet u spend 90 million on a track.. thats it EPSD hit the workin folk to pick up ur slack.. i think all u ppl on the broad should b fired and have ppl who can really relate to the hard workin folk in this school disrect.
angry at east penn school

New Tripoli, PA

#4 Jan 26, 2011
East penn school district residents are being over-taxed every year and I mean EVERY YEAR! The East penn school board raises taxes to compensate for their incompetent overspending mistakes every year! Did I say it enough! They ALL have to be voted out next time they are up for election. People are losing their jobs left and right and cannot afford their stupid tax increases to fund such activities like rugby, a rich man's game. The East penn school board has way to much power, or they think they do. Most are rich well-to-do's anyway and have never struggled in life with their rich little lives, they are all living the american dream. They have to be humbled and the only way is vote them out!
John

Catasauqua, PA

#5 Jan 27, 2011
angry at east penn school wrote:
East penn school district residents are being over-taxed every year and I mean EVERY YEAR! The East penn school board raises taxes to compensate for their incompetent overspending mistakes every year! Did I say it enough! They ALL have to be voted out next time they are up for election. People are losing their jobs left and right and cannot afford their stupid tax increases to fund such activities like rugby, a rich man's game. The East penn school board has way to much power, or they think they do. Most are rich well-to-do's anyway and have never struggled in life with their rich little lives, they are all living the american dream. They have to be humbled and the only way is vote them out!
What do you mean by "overtaxed". Is there a chart that shows this overtaxing. School districts look at the entire budget including all its programss and organizations. They look to see if it is necesaary to have all the programs from the previous year. Do they have the personnel to do the job. Do they need to purchase anything, repair anything, build anything. After the administration and Board work together on this they decide what needs the district has. They also consider any new incomes like from the sale of homes Transfer tax or new business or home that would bring in more taxes. Once that is complete, the try to balance the budget and anything over what is needed ends up in a tax increase or maybe no tax, or maybe a tax decrease. However the only time the tax decreases will happen is when everything does not go up in cost no matter how much or how little. If gas goes up- there goes your budget because the buses will use an enormous amount of gas. If food goes up, the cafeteria food will cost more. If PPL raises their rates and they did (30%), there goes your taxes. If building materials and supplies are needed to construct or repair- there goes your taxes. If teachers contract will cost more than the previous year because no one retired, then there goes your taxes. Obviously, I could go on and on.

Also, concerning "overtaxed", the system is set up that if you live in a more expensive home, your tax contribution is higher. If you live in a small modest house, your tax is less than the "well-to-dos" as you put it. If they vote out a board member and put you into that position, you too will learn very quickly that it is your responsibilty to provide the education for the community school. Many have stated this old adage- we got to vote them out- I have heard it for 40 years and I still hear it today. I know three board memebrs who came on a board with your same thought and ideas. They are still on the board and did they learn quickly.
grandma

AOL

#6 Jan 27, 2011
I was laid off 2 years ago and went back to school. I am now finished and have been looking for a job. I have sent in about 60 applications and nothing. Macungie borough tax is going up, PPL went up and so did everyone of my bills. My unemployment ran out 4 months ago, so how am I expected to pay for all the increases. If East Penn school district were of the calibar that it was some time ago, possibly it could be justified, but REALLY? ENOUGH IS ENOUGH !!!!!!
Discouraged in Macungie

AOL

#7 Jan 27, 2011
I understand that everything has gone up because believe me for it has for all of us individuals also, but there has to be a better way. Isn't it time we get rid of tenure and teachers unions. Let's get back to educating and stop spending so much money on sports. I understand that it is beneficial but academics is much more important. I hear that a new business developement will be coming to Lower Macungie Township in 2012. Below is what was copied from WFMZ:

Lehigh County and the East Penn School District also stand to gain extra revenue from transfer taxes and earned income taxes in the amount of $1-1.2 million.

Can't we wait?
John

Catasauqua, PA

#8 Jan 27, 2011
Discouraged in Macungie:

Concerning this that you wrote:

Isn't it time we get rid of tenure and teachers unions.

The cost of everything is going up- gas, electricity, the cost of purchasing a bus, cost of textbooks, repair and maintainence costs and you want to get rid of tenure and the unions. If tenure was ended right this minute, how much money would you save on your taxes? Zero. As for the unions, what you just said if reason why the unions will stay- without them teachers would be paid the same wage they paid teachers who taught you. Why don't you get this part. Let me make it simple. If the teachers wanted a dollar raise- you would say NO that is too much. You probably own a gun and if someone took your gun rights away from you, you would contact the NRA. So it is all right for gun lovers to have NRA but not okay for the teachers to have PSEA. Hmmmm.

As far as educating the kids, East Penn has an outstanding reputation of educating their students. As far as sports is concerned, let me just say that the total cost of sports in a school budget is very small. However, the number of kids that get swimming, baseball, and field hockey scholarships from your school distirct are important to those kids and their families. If your kid or grandchild was an outstanding swimmer, you would be at every meet cheering them on.
Hammond Egger

Slatington, PA

#9 Jan 28, 2011
mad mom of special needs wrote:
i agree with u ANGRY east penn sd has been greedy and spending the money on verything BUT THE KIDS..god they dnt even have enough books for all the kids in the classes but yet u spend 90 million on a track.. thats it EPSD hit the workin folk to pick up ur slack.. i think all u ppl on the broad should b fired and have ppl who can really relate to the hard workin folk in this school disrect.
$90,000,000.00 on a track? Really? You could build an incredible school for that cost. Where do you get your information?
John

Catasauqua, PA

#10 Jan 28, 2011
grandma wrote:
I was laid off 2 years ago and went back to school. I am now finished and have been looking for a job. I have sent in about 60 applications and nothing. Macungie borough tax is going up, PPL went up and so did everyone of my bills. My unemployment ran out 4 months ago, so how am I expected to pay for all the increases. If East Penn school district were of the calibar that it was some time ago, possibly it could be justified, but REALLY? ENOUGH IS ENOUGH !!!!!!
First of all you acknowledge that everything is going up despite what everyone says about a recession. Companies and businesses are not hiring because they have everyone scared about losing a job and they do not ask for increases or better benefits. As a result, they are making profits( because prices increases have always been there)but not hiring more people because they see the huge profits and they like this. I bet the places you sent resumes to are profitable but will not hire for the reason I just gave you. Laws were recently passed to help small business with tax breaks if they hire more people. They did the math and they decided it is not worth it. I bet you will be reading books in the future about all the thousands that made millions during this "recession" which according to a report that just came out that the recession was "avidable". Greed caused the actions of people and now we all have to pay. Bankers and Wall St. investors got their bonuses and gov't help.

Then you end with Enough , enough. Do you honestly think that school districts are immune from increased costs. Gas for the buses, materials and supplies, the cost to purchase or repair things, improvements or new buildings all cost money. Teacher salaries are going up. So what alternative is there.

If your town runs out of funds to clean and salt the streets and we have 5 more snowfalls- what do you want to do about it? Education provides a service that does not sell its product at a profit. We cannot sell the students to make more money for the district. When you are service oriented, taxes are the only source of revenue that I know. Can you come up with another source of revenue.(I did just think of the casino revenue)

Since: Jun 07

Allentown Pa

#11 Jan 28, 2011
This is a school district that met the demands of 25,000 citizens only 20 years ago. Now it meets the demands of nearly 60,000 citizens. Meaning the the school district now has more than twice as many children as they had only 20 years ago. The school district has been required to build new schools and expand on the schools they already had. This costs a ton of money. The problem is, the developers that keep building new homes here are making huge profits while sending very little if any money in the direction of the school district. Sure the new homeowners are paying taxes too, but the new schools need to be built now and the new tax payers don't pay enough NOW to build the new schools. Over a long period of time they will, but the district can't wait for those taxes to be collected over a 20 year period to build the schools required. If the district didn't have to keep building new schools the tax rate wouldn't have to go up. Blame expansion and the profiteers, the district is only doing what it has to.
Hmmmm

Lansdale, PA

#12 Jan 28, 2011
sofa_king_cool wrote:
This is a school district that met the demands of 25,000 citizens only 20 years ago. Now it meets the demands of nearly 60,000 citizens. Meaning the the school district now has more than twice as many children as they had only 20 years ago. The school district has been required to build new schools and expand on the schools they already had. This costs a ton of money. The problem is, the developers that keep building new homes here are making huge profits while sending very little if any money in the direction of the school district. Sure the new homeowners are paying taxes too, but the new schools need to be built now and the new tax payers don't pay enough NOW to build the new schools. Over a long period of time they will, but the district can't wait for those taxes to be collected over a 20 year period to build the schools required. If the district didn't have to keep building new schools the tax rate wouldn't have to go up. Blame expansion and the profiteers, the district is only doing what it has to.
Blame out-of-control spending by the EPSD. when times were good they squandered and taxed and spent on lavish facilities.

Only teachers love taj mahal schools.

Time to cut back on expenses, salaries and bennies like in the real world.
Hmmmm

Lansdale, PA

#13 Jan 28, 2011
BTW EPSD folks, ignore Sofa King and John, they're both public employees retiring quite nicely on your tax dollars.

One a firefighter, the other a teacher.

They want what you've got in your wallet and none of your concerns matter to them.

Just that you keep paying for their fatcat union brothers.

Since: Jun 07

Allentown Pa

#14 Jan 28, 2011
Hmmmm wrote:
<quoted text>
Blame out-of-control spending by the EPSD. when times were good they squandered and taxed and spent on lavish facilities.
Only teachers love taj mahal schools.
Time to cut back on expenses, salaries and bennies like in the real world.
The teachers love taj mahals? The parents enjoy Taj Mahal's. That's the truth. Parents want their children to have the most up to date, most modern facilities and teaching tools available. Sure the teachers like things modern too, but don't think for a second that parents want archaic warehouses for their children. The school district is a reason people move and stay in certain places. And the East Penn School District and their modern facilities and great staff is a reason that the area has had so much expansion.

Since: Jun 07

Allentown Pa

#15 Jan 28, 2011
Hmmmm wrote:
BTW EPSD folks, ignore Sofa King and John, they're both public employees retiring quite nicely on your tax dollars.
One a firefighter, the other a teacher.
They want what you've got in your wallet and none of your concerns matter to them.
Just that you keep paying for their fatcat union brothers.
Yes, I am a firefighter. With two children in East Penn's great schools. I want the best for my kids.
Retiring quite nicely? Not yet. Not for another 12 years. On tax dollars? Someone has to risk their lives for others, why not me? Trust me, and know this. I am not getting rich being a firefighter. I will never be rich, and I'm fine with that. But why shouldn't I get paid, and why shouldn't those that receive my services pay for that service? Do you complain about the military getting paid? Or the FBI? What about your electric provider? I bet the guy that provides you with electricity get's paid a lot more than I do. And it's not like you have a choice. You have to have electricity.
Hammond Egger

Slatington, PA

#16 Jan 28, 2011
Hmmmm wrote:
<quoted text>

Only teachers love taj mahal schools.
All things considered, this is the stupidest thing I've read today. Why on Earth would teachers love taj mahal schools? Teachers have absolutely no say or influence in the cost or design of a school building. Put the blame, if there is any blame, on elected school boards and their hired hands. After all, who's name are on those big bronze plaques that you see when entering newly constructed school building, certainly not your social studies or math teachers.
John

Catasauqua, PA

#17 Jan 28, 2011
Hmmmm wrote:
<quoted text>
Blame out-of-control spending by the EPSD. when times were good they squandered and taxed and spent on lavish facilities.
Only teachers love taj mahal schools.
Time to cut back on expenses, salaries and bennies like in the real world.
Tell your Wall St. investors and bankers to cut back on threir salaries and bennies. Tell your fed govt to cut back on spending.

Your comment about spending on lavish buildings when times were good-- never happens that times are good in a school distirct. Taxes are always a concerned if the economy is booming. The board spent on facilities they needed and because there were five unrinals instead of four does not make it "lavish". You do not know the specifics. When boards are building facitities, there are numerous meetings with the architects and engineers and decisions are made by the board members on the buildings and grounds committee.

Also, you had to get in a slap againsit the teachers- yeah, they decided on the buildings, the colors, size of rooms, and the need for a soda fountain and spa in the teachers lounge. Wake up and post things that make sense and stop making it look like the teachers had anything to do with the size of the school. Teachers do not decide of the buildings. Talk to someone on the school board and tell them about the word taj mahal. Besides, Pa legislators passed a law years ago called the taj mahal law that places specifics on how much they can build. Check out the law.
John

Catasauqua, PA

#18 Jan 28, 2011
Hmmmm wrote:
BTW EPSD folks, ignore Sofa King and John, they're both public employees retiring quite nicely on your tax dollars.
One a firefighter, the other a teacher.
They want what you've got in your wallet and none of your concerns matter to them.
Just that you keep paying for their fatcat union brothers.
You do not have to worry about John. You worry about posting the truth. Don't blame teachers for building a Taj Mahal besides they do not have time for stuff like that when they have to sign up for the spa treatments in the faculty lounge thanks to the power and pressure the teachers place on the board and for allowing them to build these Taj Mahal type buildings.

John

Catasauqua, PA

#19 Jan 28, 2011
Hammond Egger wrote:
<quoted text>
All things considered, this is the stupidest thing I've read today. Why on Earth would teachers love taj mahal schools? Teachers have absolutely no say or influence in the cost or design of a school building. Put the blame, if there is any blame, on elected school boards and their hired hands. After all, who's name are on those big bronze plaques that you see when entering newly constructed school building, certainly not your social studies or math teachers.
You are absolutely right and I just sent two posts on this ignorant post. This guy is one good reason PSEA and tenure exists. I cannot comment anymore on the nonsense of his post.
John

Catasauqua, PA

#20 Jan 28, 2011
Hmmm:

What a stuupid name. Now I want to tell you something. That comment has me so upset, I am going to scan the posts to check if you sent any other comments. I want you to stop posting as of now.

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