Novato developer pleased with public ...

Novato developer pleased with public reception of Fireman's Fun...

There are 28 comments on the Marin Independent Journal story from Sep 17, 2009, titled Novato developer pleased with public reception of Fireman's Fun.... In it, Marin Independent Journal reports that:

The developer who wants to transform the Fireman's Fund Insurance campus on Novato's north side into a sprawling ultra-green multiuse complex with a luxury hotel, retail shops and residential units said he was surprised by the positive vibes he has gathered from Novato residents.

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Yeah

San Rafael, CA

#1 Sep 17, 2009
Support for a project in Marin County!? I just fell out of my chair!
Lisa Lee

United States

#2 Sep 17, 2009
Anyone else weary of the ever-so-trendy term "sustainable" being tossed about by the never-satisfied crowd?

California has a lack of water because the very same bureaucrats of State & Local Government were too short sighted to see that issuing millions of residential building permits had zero water plans included.

THAT is "unsustainable" yet they retards just don't get it.

They pretend their trendy terminology shows some form of intelligence.

It doesn't.

Message to political hacks: do your jobs. Save us the ignorant trendy speech.

The State Legislature just closed down despite California suffering from water shortages that didn't just happen overnight.

Our "local" bureaucrats are supposed to represent us. Why aren't they speaking of critical issues on our behalf?
Why stop now

San Mateo, CA

#3 Sep 17, 2009
Just what Novato needs! Another hotel, more residential units and more shops!
novato to sf

Los Angeles, CA

#4 Sep 17, 2009
love the headline. after reading the article it could easily have been "citizens of novato totally opposed to out of town developer's enormous project"

Since: Oct 08

Location hidden

#5 Sep 17, 2009
The city is more concerned about increasing its tax base than worrying about the little things like how we are going to be able to provide water to this new development or to consider that Millworks failed miserably and had to be converted to rental housing.
Buck

Napa, CA

#6 Sep 17, 2009
After reading his comments, is Donn Davy the biggest douche ever, or what? I live right across the street from the campus, and I do not support this project.
Weary of It all

Mill Valley, CA

#7 Sep 17, 2009
This show is brought to you by the very same developers and their cronies that sold you SMART.

TOD development SMART Station Area Planning ..

It does not matter that the bottom fell out of the economy and there is not enough water to support the existing development.

This train is roaring down the track and will run down anyone it its way.
novato to sf

Los Angeles, CA

#8 Sep 17, 2009
Buck wrote:
After reading his comments, is Donn Davy the biggest **** ever, or what? I live right across the street from the campus, and I do not support this project.
agreed. so if you build a 48 story indian gaming casino and it is "green" then "the zero-waste standard created by the 'project' would outweigh any drawbacks".
SmartAlec

Seattle, WA

#9 Sep 17, 2009
the campus size will double? Yikes! I'm guessing that they want to build up the hill into Open Space too? Oh, and they're gonna generate all their power from the deep fryers at the local greasy spoon. Heard that before. Pathetic effort at being green. Being green is to leave it just as is, dumdums.
Weary of It all

Mill Valley, CA

#10 Sep 17, 2009
SchoenbAUM: Did you or anyone else ever contact Dennis Fishwick who has lawsuit against SMART ?

Can the pols go ahead with SMART TOD Station Area Planning and Development before the lawsuit is settled?

Does anyone know anything about this ?
Jaded

San Francisco, CA

#11 Sep 17, 2009
Actually, I saw the plans and this is a great project that will put Novato in the forefront of the green wave. Imagine Novato being at the forefront of anything! But a zero-carbon project of this size, that doubles the amount of open-space from the existing campus, and offers wonderful community services like new restaurants, new ballfields, community gardens, meeting spaces etc. Come on people, wake up and stop feeling like you need to be against every new idea. Would you rather have a WalMart there?
Resident

United States

#12 Sep 17, 2009
Wow 50 out of 52,000 people like it. That's impressive.

Those 50 don't speak for me. Now if they include a book store I might consider it.
hairshirt

San Francisco, CA

#13 Sep 17, 2009
This is supposed to open in 2020. I expect by then the Millworks project will be occupied, highly priced and we will all be wringing our hands about lack of affordable housing yet again, when these developers have the foresight to put high density around a transit stop. This is not opening tomorrow, naysayers and NIMBYs. 10 years gives us some runway to deal with the water issue.

BTW, the supposed drive to preserve Novato's "small town" feel is not supported by me (a 12 year resident). Population of 50k+ filled with sprawling. mostly forgettable ugly 60s and 70s tract houses has already grown beyond "small town". Woodacre is a small town. Bolinas is a small town. Novato is not a small town. Get over it and get some commerce and reasonable housing supply going in this sleepy bedroom community.

Since: Feb 08

Hana, HI

#14 Sep 17, 2009
Schoenbaum wrote:
The city is more concerned about increasing its tax base than worrying about the little things like how we are going to be able to provide water to this new development or to consider that Millworks failed miserably and had to be converted to rental housing.
That's right, and the water treatment plant will be to recycle waste water for irrigation. The project will suck enormous amounts of "city water". Water that Novato receives from Sonoma county. And the SCWA does not have enough money to even provide Novato with the water needed at the present time, what a joke !
Those developers must think that the people of Novato are super stupid, but I don't think they are. Eventually the sheit is going to hit the fan with this development.

Since: Apr 09

Marin County, CA

#15 Sep 17, 2009
Two points:

First, anyone who can keep a straight face while using "Novato" and "maintaining a small town feel" in the same sentence should get a job selling WorldCom stock, Madoff investments, or used cars.

Second, pictures, drawings, etc. would have been really nice. You are a VISUAL MEDIUM, I-J. Learn it and use it--or burn it and lose it!
Day Hiker

Novato, CA

#16 Sep 17, 2009
Hey Jaded, We'd rather have nothing there, especially this mess. Millworks is the poster child for overblown development that doesn't belong or fit. Either does this. Paint it as green as can be, but it isn't! Thank goodness I'll be moved out of here by 2020. And Hairshirt, we can't manufacture water, in case you hadn't noticed.
Fedup Citizen

AOL

#17 Sep 17, 2009
The waste products from a restaurant wouldn't power an automobile. What idiots! Anyone who believes this is in for a big surprise.
FatFreddysCat

Novato, CA

#18 Sep 17, 2009
How come Novato can't afford to reopen the downtown Novato Theater for 18 YEARS (!!!!!!!!! yet we can build some mini-city where Fireman's Fund is.
I LOVE NOVATO

San Anselmo, CA

#19 Sep 17, 2009
I was at the meeting last night and more people opposed the project. The headline of this story is very slanted and misleading.
I agree with novato to sf interpretation of the actual article "citizens of novato totally opposed to out of town developer's enormous project"
I also agree with Buck! I live right across the street from the campus, and I do not support this project.
novato to sf

Los Angeles, CA

#20 Sep 18, 2009
FatFreddysCat wrote:
How come Novato can't afford to reopen the downtown Novato Theater for 18 YEARS (!!!!!!!!! yet we can build some mini-city where Fireman's Fund is.
This is perfect! Exactly! On the nose! However the difference is, and has been proved time and time again, that if you put it in the hands of a developer it will get done. Examples: the Millworks, the Ignacio Safeway project, the old Ignacio Safeway project, ect.. ect.

The very unfortunate reality here is that the city of Novato controls downtown Novato (the vacant theatre, the shuttered community center, & the 3 empty buildings on Sherman Avenue) and their complete incompetency and lack of vision will soon make this area obsolete. They have dumped oodles of dough in to the revitalization project.. only to leave it 30% completed despite the obvious potential that the downtown (especially old town) holds. As ususal, they will do a half assed job in getting a portion of these city owned buildings open, taking them 10 more years to do so... AND THEN.. they will hand over the North Redwood cooridor plans and the Fireman's Fund plan to developers to create mini cities which will canabalize downtown Novato.

Redwood Blvd is on the same path that West Francisco Blvd in San Rafael took. It is not a pretty one.

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