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Nov 21, 2012
 
Che Reagan Christ wrote:
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Right, because the auto industry rescue has nothing to do with Ohio's unemployment rate.
A little, but not much. Kasich created over 100,000 jobs in Ohio--1,400 of them auto worker jobs.

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That's a WHOPPING 1.4% of the total jobs created by Kasich..... Caesar sure does like hornin in on those numbers.
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That's a WHOPPING 1.4% of the total jobs created by Kasich..... Caesar sure does like hornin in on those numbers.
That's his nature. He's a Democrat, so he's a born liar.

The few things DumBama did that turned out to be good things, Democrats credit him. The rest of the bad things, that's Bush's fault, Republican Congresses fault, tsunamis fault, ATM machines fault, Japanese earthquakes fault, Limbaugh's fault..........
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Nov 21, 2012
 
youtube.com/watch... ……………old fart or young stinkers next time fella
Che Reagan Christ

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xxxrayted wrote:
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So you are saying management walked off the job forcing the company to close? Gee, I just read on article that stated the employees union was disgruntled. They said one of their concerns was Hostess was making the same products they have for years, and nothing really new to meet the modern taste buds of the American consumer. They were concerned about nutrition, so they walked off the job. LOL!
http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/topofthe...
No, what I am saying is this is Hostess' second bankruptcy filing in the last 10 years. That during the first, the workers gave back $10 million dollars that wasn't reinvested but rather was used, in part, to give corporate officers 75% raises, paying its CEO $100,000/month. I am saying that Hostess had 6 different management teams over the last 10 years. I am saying that Hostess had stopped paying its employee pension obligations. I am saying that Hostess has been under the control of private equity firms whose business is to load a company up with debt, suck the life out of it and then close.

To suggest that the demise of that company is simply because a union chose not to make a second round of concessions is ludicrous.
Che Reagan Christ

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xxxrayted wrote:
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A little, but not much. Kasich created over 100,000 jobs in Ohio--1,400 of them auto worker jobs.
I asked this months ago and no one had an answer. What exactly has Kasich done to "create" all of these jobs you claim he is responsible for?
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xxxrayted wrote:
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That's his nature. He's a Democrat, so he's a born liar.
The few things DumBama did that turned out to be good things, Democrats credit him. The rest of the bad things, that's Bush's fault, Republican Congresses fault, tsunamis fault, ATM machines fault, Japanese earthquakes fault, Limbaugh's fault..........
Is your bitterness the result of the fact that you were never able to advance yourself beyond being a glorified mule?
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Nov 21, 2012
 
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Btw the kos is a left wing blog. http://www.rightspeak.net/2012/10/team-obama-... so here is a right wing blog that discredits it. Now I don't agree with all the opinions. But this blog proves that there are lies printed in the sacred leftwing blogs you linked...
BTW I already pointed out that kos is a leftwing blog. I also stated that the page you posted was biased like the ones I used so really you are going nowhere fast on something nobody cares about. I used my point about second hand smoke because it goes along with the climate change issue that was being discussed. You blabber on about sour grapes and the only reason it's even being talked about is because I whooped your @ss by calling you out on it and you can't get over it. I'm tired of talking in circles with your ignorant @ss. Perhaps if you had something valid to say.
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Che Reagan Christ wrote:
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No, what I am saying is this is Hostess' second bankruptcy filing in the last 10 years. That during the first, the workers gave back $10 million dollars that wasn't reinvested but rather was used, in part, to give corporate officers 75% raises, paying its CEO $100,000/month. I am saying that Hostess had 6 different management teams over the last 10 years. I am saying that Hostess had stopped paying its employee pension obligations. I am saying that Hostess has been under the control of private equity firms whose business is to load a company up with debt, suck the life out of it and then close.
To suggest that the demise of that company is simply because a union chose not to make a second round of concessions is ludicrous.
Okay, so they chose not to work for less money. How are those employees doing today? Are they better off than when they had a job regardless of it's pay?

I never said that the unions were entirely at fault for the companies problems, but they are at fault for virtually shutting the place down. See, in the non-union work world, you have no choice if your company is doing badly (for whatever reason) so you either work for what is offered to you, or you find another job. Hostess's problems are similar to problems a lot of companies have. My company no different.

My employer had a policy since he started the company: every employee gets a guaranteed 40 hours per week. During the heart of the recession, I and a few of my fellow coworkers realized that our company had no future because my boss was paying us to sit in parking lots all day long. We addressed my employer demanding that he only use us for the hours he needed us for and pay us accordingly. Forget about the 40 hour pay guarantee.

My boss resisted, but we finally talked him into it. Sure, it was tough living on 28 or 30 hour paychecks, but it beat seeing one or more of our fellow coworkers getting laid off or having the company shut down. What we did was a great help to my employer, but it wasn't enough. After a while, he removed the 40 hour guarantee for all employees--not just those of us who demanded it.

After things got a little better, my employer confided in me. He said that he was only two weeks from closing the company. He had exhausted all funds, and couldn't borrow any more money.

Now if we had a union, chances are they would have bled my boss for everything he had. Without a doubt, my employer would have closed the doors forever. And don't say that unions aren't that way, because we've lost customer after customer because unions refused to back down. The companies either closed or moved out of the state or country.
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Nov 21, 2012
 
xxxrayted wrote:
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Okay, so they chose not to work for less money. How are those employees doing today? Are they better off than when they had a job regardless of it's pay?
I never said that the unions were entirely at fault for the companies problems, but they are at fault for virtually shutting the place down. See, in the non-union work world, you have no choice if your company is doing badly (for whatever reason) so you either work for what is offered to you, or you find another job. Hostess's problems are similar to problems a lot of companies have. My company no different.
My employer had a policy since he started the company: every employee gets a guaranteed 40 hours per week. During the heart of the recession, I and a few of my fellow coworkers realized that our company had no future because my boss was paying us to sit in parking lots all day long. We addressed my employer demanding that he only use us for the hours he needed us for and pay us accordingly. Forget about the 40 hour pay guarantee.
My boss resisted, but we finally talked him into it. Sure, it was tough living on 28 or 30 hour paychecks, but it beat seeing one or more of our fellow coworkers getting laid off or having the company shut down. What we did was a great help to my employer, but it wasn't enough. After a while, he removed the 40 hour guarantee for all employees--not just those of us who demanded it.
After things got a little better, my employer confided in me. He said that he was only two weeks from closing the company. He had exhausted all funds, and couldn't borrow any more money.
Now if we had a union, chances are they would have bled my boss for everything he had. Without a doubt, my employer would have closed the doors forever. And don't say that unions aren't that way, because we've lost customer after customer because unions refused to back down. The companies either closed or moved out of the state or country.
So then why doesn't mangement hire some sumcks off the street to do this work. Because they can't ... They wan't all they can get and more from the union membership with nothing given back by them. That is why they are saying enough is enough...... The upper mangment is also going to lose their pay because they are so greedy. Ask them how they fell and you will see they are more worried about the future than someone with a skill.....
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xxxrayted wrote:
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A little, but not much. Kasich created over 100,000 jobs in Ohio--1,400 of them auto worker jobs.
That commemt is so WRONG..... KSUCK has to go .......
xxxrayted

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clueless wrote:
<quoted text>So then why doesn't mangement hire some sumcks off the street to do this work. Because they can't ... They wan't all they can get and more from the union membership with nothing given back by them. That is why they are saying enough is enough...... The upper mangment is also going to lose their pay because they are so greedy. Ask them how they fell and you will see they are more worried about the future than someone with a skill.....
Management didn't walk off the job causing the company to close it's doors--union employees did. And who said it was managements fault? The unions.
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Nov 21, 2012
 
Thanksgiving:

The majority of us the Government of this Representative Republic that vote and the nonvoters that sit on their dead hands and whine are thankful; the President, Governor, Representatives of US the Government, County Commissioners, Township Trustees, Mayors, City Council, School Administrators and Board Members they elected; Defies USA Labor Law, The Constitution, and demands of Natural Law: what Mother Nature, God, or Whatever Power decreed to be the reality of the real world, democracy, capitalism, the US Constitution, and free, fair, and affordable commerce and common sense demands.

Demanding every Stockholder, corporation, farmer, business, outsourcer sweatshop, and nonprofit, tax-exempt, organization and Church; markets the cost in the wholesale and retail price of his or her product and service; of every worker, consumer, and taxpayer's wages (union contract), healthcare, pension, investment and independent business profit.

This enables every worker, consumer, and taxpayer to pay healthcare insurance premium or pay healthcare provider. Pay ALL taxes and pay for every product and service they use for life. With money derived from wages, investment profit, and independent business profit.

And enables every parent to educate, love, nurse, nurture, discipline, protect, and provide; for every child (job) they conceive. And fund schools, infrastructure, local and national security, government services, and etc.; with money derived from wages, investment profit, and independent business profit.

And supports candidates for public office paying Media Stockholders billions of dollars derived from constituents donations to advertise their agenda.

And hold Union workers, consumers, taxpayers, and America’s grandchildren’s children, Government employees, Parents, Teachers, Veterans, Police, Firemen, and Fathers disqualified for affirmative action with white skin, Representatives deny Collective Bargaining Rights accountable.

To fund Illegal drug users and Illegal Immigrants, lottery, casino, and keno losers, unemployed Union workers replaced with nonunion workers, Human Traffickers, waitresses that pander for life for $2.00 per hour, slaves in enterprise zones, low-income child labor, consumers, and taxpayers, volunteers without wages, and nonunion workers willing to work for fewer wages than they can afford life. That pays with welfare checks, food stamps, housing vouchers, and Medicaid.

Pay property tax on state appraised value of their American Dream to fund schools. Pay interest on lottery winners winnings Legislators invest in school bonds,

Pay for all stimulus packages, tax abatements, tax incentives, tax refunds, tax credit, and tax exemptions.

Pay sales tax on the more stock dividends (money) OPEC Nations, Enron Stockholders, Wal-Mart Stockholders, Hillarys, Chinese, Foreign and Domestic Investors and Stockholders (money marketers) market quarterly. In the wholesale and retail price of every product and service Human Beings use for life. That School Boards and Government needs to build, maintain and operate schools, infrastructure, and provide local and national security, and Government services. That gets only product or service.

Defying USA Labor Law, the Constitution, and Realities demands is bankrupting USA. Makes free, fair, and affordable commerce IMPOSSIBLE; Makes funding schools IMPOSSIBLE; Makes balancing every budget IMPOSSIBLE; Makes Union workers, consumers, taxpayers, and Americas grandchildren's children life UNAFFORDABLE; and created Ohio’s $1.35 trillion budget deficit, the $40 trillion social security and the $16 trillion national debt. America’s grandchildren’s children are responsible to pay Chinese, Foreign and Domestic Investors and Stockholders interest with this debt until they are 18 years old.

America’s grandchildren’s children cannot afford life and pay this debt with the $7.25 per hour Government mandated labor wage in a hundred million years.

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Nov 21, 2012
 
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xxxrayted wrote:
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Okay, so they chose not to work for less money. How are those employees doing today? Are they better off than when they had a job regardless of it's pay?
I never said that the unions were entirely at fault for the companies problems, but they are at fault for virtually shutting the place down. See, in the non-union work world, you have no choice if your company is doing badly (for whatever reason) so you either work for what is offered to you, or you find another job. Hostess's problems are similar to problems a lot of companies have. My company no different.
My employer had a policy since he started the company: every employee gets a guaranteed 40 hours per week. During the heart of the recession, I and a few of my fellow coworkers realized that our company had no future because my boss was paying us to sit in parking lots all day long. We addressed my employer demanding that he only use us for the hours he needed us for and pay us accordingly. Forget about the 40 hour pay guarantee.
My boss resisted, but we finally talked him into it. Sure, it was tough living on 28 or 30 hour paychecks, but it beat seeing one or more of our fellow coworkers getting laid off or having the company shut down. What we did was a great help to my employer, but it wasn't enough. After a while, he removed the 40 hour guarantee for all employees--not just those of us who demanded it.
After things got a little better, my employer confided in me. He said that he was only two weeks from closing the company. He had exhausted all funds, and couldn't borrow any more money.
Now if we had a union, chances are they would have bled my boss for everything he had. Without a doubt, my employer would have closed the doors forever. And don't say that unions aren't that way, because we've lost customer after customer because unions refused to back down. The companies either closed or moved out of the state or country.
The non-Union companies I have worked for go as follows. Rich old man buys company for pocket lint and a whistle, way back when. Old man puts his inept son in charge. We work on Christmas day while the owners and their families give themselves a nice bonus and have dinner together. Inept son has no clue how to run the company, grinds every penny he can from it and then the company goes under. You see it all the time. The person running the show is so damn stupid that anyone could walk off the floor and instantly do a better job. Now if only they were born with the right last name...Those are the facts. Everyone I know has seen this first hand and unions had nothing to do with it. The only reason you guys are anti-union is because some rich old man told you to think that and you did.(Also see climate change)
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xxxrayted wrote:
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That's his nature. He's a Democrat, so he's a born liar.
The few things DumBama did that turned out to be good things, Democrats credit him. The rest of the bad things, that's Bush's fault, Republican Congresses fault, tsunamis fault, ATM machines fault, Japanese earthquakes fault, Limbaugh's fault..........
Now if only most of our country's problems weren't actually Bush's fault, you'd have a leg to stand on. Americans were happy enough with Obama to elect him again. The GOP had it's turn at bat and it sunk the country. That's why we have left your greedy little agenda in the past. No matter how much corporate money you guys tried to throw at it, the will of the American people prevailed. We can't all be the pillars of honesty that the "Read my lips, no new taxes" GOP has always strived for.
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xxxrayted wrote:
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Okay, so they chose not to work for less money. How are those employees doing today? Are they better off than when they had a job regardless of it's pay?
I never said that the unions were entirely at fault for the companies problems, but they are at fault for virtually shutting the place down. See, in the non-union work world, you have no choice if your company is doing badly (for whatever reason) so you either work for what is offered to you, or you find another job. Hostess's problems are similar to problems a lot of companies have. My company no different.
My employer had a policy since he started the company: every employee gets a guaranteed 40 hours per week. During the heart of the recession, I and a few of my fellow coworkers realized that our company had no future because my boss was paying us to sit in parking lots all day long. We addressed my employer demanding that he only use us for the hours he needed us for and pay us accordingly. Forget about the 40 hour pay guarantee.
My boss resisted, but we finally talked him into it. Sure, it was tough living on 28 or 30 hour paychecks, but it beat seeing one or more of our fellow coworkers getting laid off or having the company shut down. What we did was a great help to my employer, but it wasn't enough. After a while, he removed the 40 hour guarantee for all employees--not just those of us who demanded it.
After things got a little better, my employer confided in me. He said that he was only two weeks from closing the company. He had exhausted all funds, and couldn't borrow any more money.
Now if we had a union, chances are they would have bled my boss for everything he had. Without a doubt, my employer would have closed the doors forever. And don't say that unions aren't that way, because we've lost customer after customer because unions refused to back down. The companies either closed or moved out of the state or country.
Would you have worked for 50 cents per hour? There comes a point when no job is better than being a slave.
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Nov 21, 2012
 
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And don't say that unions aren't that way, because we've lost customer after customer because unions refused to back down. The companies either closed or moved out of the state or country.
If you care to learn, go to Bing and type "union concessions" and read for a little while. Your anecdotes don't tell the whole story.
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Save Yourself wrote:
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The non-Union companies I have worked for go as follows. Rich old man buys company for pocket lint and a whistle, way back when. Old man puts his inept son in charge. We work on Christmas day while the owners and their families give themselves a nice bonus and have dinner together. Inept son has no clue how to run the company, grinds every penny he can from it and then the company goes under. You see it all the time. The person running the show is so damn stupid that anyone could walk off the floor and instantly do a better job. Now if only they were born with the right last name...Those are the facts. Everyone I know has seen this first hand and unions had nothing to do with it. The only reason you guys are anti-union is because some rich old man told you to think that and you did.(Also see climate change)
No, I'm anti-union because of my line of work. Again, I've seen customer after customer close their doors. This is my state. I want to see work stay here. I won't deny that there are businesses that make mistakes, but that's not common.

It's not that I hate every union, but look what they did at Hostess. I bought their products on a regular basis, and now I can't. Why? Because of unions. Now if this union would have given Hostess an option such as not strike or make a fuss about hiring non-union people, then I would be fine with that. But companies don't like hiring scabs because of the publicity and potential violence by union members.

The problem with unions is that they got too greedy and too large. They fail to see that. They don't care. Unions that are reasonable I don't mind.

I have story after story to tell about unions. I entered the workforce in the later 70's so I've seen what those unions have done to businesses when they were at their peak. Nobody told me to hate unions. My father is a retired union bricklayer.
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Now if only most of our country's problems weren't actually Bush's fault, you'd have a leg to stand on. Americans were happy enough with Obama to elect him again. The GOP had it's turn at bat and it sunk the country. That's why we have left your greedy little agenda in the past. No matter how much corporate money you guys tried to throw at it, the will of the American people prevailed. We can't all be the pillars of honesty that the "Read my lips, no new taxes" GOP has always strived for.
And when he reneged, we voted him out. That's what you're supposed to do as a voter.

What sunk the country was the housing burst. That's it. And we all know who played ball in that game. To lay this entirely on Bush is like laying the blame on Congress when it switched over from Republican to Democrat. Four years. It's still Bush's fault. And three years from today, it will still be Bush's fault.

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