lyons, il politics
HUM

Forest Park, IL

#5606 Sep 18, 2012
She Back wrote:
And when exactly since 2000 (or before - but that's when I started paying attention) has VOL had a Village Board that did anything but nod "yes" or scream "nay" without discussion of merits or other explanation? Regardless of what version of alphabet soup was in control?
And when exactly did the corp of elected bobbleheads EVER open up the hiring process of the Village Manager (or other key administrative personnel) to the public view? What ad did our current VM answer? How about previous ones? Or have they been "someone someone sent"? In that case, wouldn't pesky little things like credentials or relevant experience or a verifiable track record be beside the point?
Lyons is not Bridgeview (or Bellwood, etc.) yet because we haven't fallen for home rule...yet.
Right now, with April around the corner, we as taxpayers (and voters) need to raise our expectations concerning what we expect for the dollars we pay to the VOL (and township and county and state and on and on). Those currently in office have 6 months to demonstrate by their actions that they are serving the best interest of the VOL, and by extension, the taxpayers. If not...
BTW, "they" referred to by Hum & Temp Resident is an ordinary taxpayer with an inquiring mind, NOT an elected or appointed official, a Village employee, nor a member of the current or a former "in" crowd.
I certainly hope I never gave the impression that 'they' were elected, appointed, a village employee, or which ever crowd is or was in. I assumed 'they' were just people like you and me.
Temp Resident

Roselle, IL

#5607 Sep 18, 2012
She Back, inquiring minds want to know.
HUM

Forest Park, IL

#5608 Sep 18, 2012
Temp Resident wrote:
She Back, who are you voting for in April? Just curious.
I am not 'She Back' but I am not voting locally, state, or federally for anyone who is presently in office since none of them are doing a formidable job representing we the people. We, the people, are the idiots footing the bill as they waste money hand over fist. Have they all forgotten that many of us are unemployed due to the major improvements government has made? Have they not experienced trying to buy food for a family with prices that have doubled and wages that have not? Do they understand we struggle to have a roof over our head? All of these elected wonders need to be more in touch with us, the people, we're sinking. YES, I WILL VOTE but not for one person who presently holds an office.
She Back

Chicago, IL

#5609 Sep 20, 2012
To Temp Resident: What office(s)? At this point in time, I at least do not know who the all of the candidates will be. So all I can say with confidence is this:

I will not be voting for local candidates who - as incumbants - have demonstrated that they are not, for whatever reason, pursuing the best interests of the unit of government their office guides, governs, provides service to, whatever...and that the best interests of any unit of government should reflect the best interests of the taxpayers - individuals and businesses - who fund it.

I will not be voting for any candidate on the basis of party affiliation - althoughby now I have become highly suspicious of the ability of any party-affiliated candidate to "buck" or even question the party position on any issue, even when it becomes obvious that the party "line" may not be in the best interests of neither the unit of government nor the taxpayers.

I will be looking at what each individual candidate brings to the table in terms of credentials, experience, past performance, etc.

But that's just me...and I certainly can't say that my criteria for determining who I will vote for next April will be any more effective than Hum's in electing folks who will truly effectively serve the taxpayers in each respective office.

But for any considering running for office, DO download the 2013 Candidate Handbook from the Illinois Board of Elections website. There have been some changes, and the period for collecting nominating petition signatures starts on September 25th, next Tuesday.
She Back

United States

#5610 Sep 22, 2012
Special Board Meeting - originally scheduled for last Wednesday, but cancelled due to legally flawed Notice - will now take place on September 26th.

Although all discussion and deliberations will take place in Executive Session (behind closed doors), any vote(s) on action must take place in the public view.

Rumor has it that this meeting involves a significant change in personnel. Rumor also has it that We the Taxpayers will be footing the bill for the attorney to come out last Wednesday for a meeting that cvouldn't be helf legally.

Somehow the Library Board failed to meet one of the simplest legal requirements there is: having the correct date of the Notice for a meeting. Not very comforting in light of their quest to convert our Local Library to a District, in which case they would be responsible for meeting numerous legal requirements of increased complexity...
She Back

United States

#5611 Sep 22, 2012
Forgot to state in first sentence of last post Special Library Board meeting.Also apologize for misspellings (early morning fumble fingers).

Have been comparing differences in responsibilities and powers between Local (75 ILCS 5) and District (75 ILCS 16) Libraries and their Boards. If any are interested, will be happy to start posting (citing the Illinois Statutes) the differences between the two. Some are rather trivial, but others could have a profound effect on our tax bills and what we pay out in future. And getting property tax monies and other federal and state funds directly is only one of the consequences of substituting a District Library for the current Local one.
To Frat Boy

United States

#5612 Sep 22, 2012
If you want to laugh at me do it in my face, you know where I live. Sorry Im not a sleazy strpper, I have respect for myself!!!!!!!
To Frat Boy

Lyons, IL

#5613 Sep 22, 2012
That was stripper, to bad you don't have respect for your family jewels, but then again I'm not surprise! Your so conceited!!!
To Frat Boy

United States

#5614 Sep 23, 2012
Sorry to the other people who read my comments.2 men that act like frat boys ticked me off, they run around in suits trying to look all important when everyone knows all about them, and it is not all good!!! Hey frat boy, send my regards to the stripper girlfriends that you so much love, sure your MoM must be so proud
She Back

United States

#5615 Sep 24, 2012
Breaking news! Our Village law firm is being sued for malpractice by the Chicago Ridge Police Pension Fund. Article reports interesting relationships between Counselor Odelson & New City Bank - now defunct - and the Baldermann family. Wasn't New City involved with some privately traded VOL debt?

http://www.suntimes.com/15291507-761/emanuel-...
Btw

Lyons, IL

#5616 Sep 24, 2012
She Back wrote:
Breaking news! Our Village law firm is being sued for malpractice by the Chicago Ridge Police Pension Fund. Article reports interesting relationships between Counselor Odelson & New City Bank - now defunct - and the Baldermann family. Wasn't New City involved with some privately traded VOL debt?
http://www.suntimes.com/15291507-761/emanuel-...
.. Good!!!!!!!!!
Lyons Grandma

Forest Park, IL

#5617 Sep 24, 2012
She Back wrote:
Forgot to state in first sentence of last post Special Library Board meeting.Also apologize for misspellings (early morning fumble fingers).
Have been comparing differences in responsibilities and powers between Local (75 ILCS 5) and District (75 ILCS 16) Libraries and their Boards. If any are interested, will be happy to start posting (citing the Illinois Statutes) the differences between the two. Some are rather trivial, but others could have a profound effect on our tax bills and what we pay out in future. And getting property tax monies and other federal and state funds directly is only one of the consequences of substituting a District Library for the current Local one.
Would appreciate you posting the differences....
differnce

Forest Park, IL

#5618 Sep 24, 2012
District can raise our taxes. Who needs to hear
anything more .
She Back

United States

#5619 Sep 24, 2012
Lyons Grandma wrote:
<quoted text>
Would appreciate you posting the differences....
Will start by posting pros/cons of going to a district from a public library (under municipality), as listed (with a little editing) in the "Library District Handbook" mentioned in Francine's post (she added link to source). This is decent quick overview:
Advantages to becoming a public library district

1. Public Library Districts have all the responsibilities of the corporate authority including internal administration and eminent domain.

2. Public Library Districts may add adjacent, unserved territory either by ordinance, referendum or by individual landowners petitioning for annexation.

3. Public Library Districts are able to improve library service via the expanded tax base of the larger population.(Only if they add territory, and then this is only maybe)

4. Public Library Districts receive tax monies directly from the county.

5. Public Library Districts have complete independence and responsibility over its tax levy; tax anticipation warrants; referenda for building programs (including bonds, mortgages, condemnations); and tax referenda for tax rate increase up to statutory limits.

6. Public Library Districts retains its own legal counsel and auditor.(This also true of Lyons Library)

7. Public Library Districts' Board of Trustees is elected by and directly responsible to the District's taxpayers.(This is also true of Lyons Library)
She Back

United States

#5620 Sep 24, 2012
Now for the Cons:

Disadvantages to becoming a public library district

1. Public Library Districts are completely responsible for all library affairs, including: passing ordinances, tax levies and appropriations, administration, finance, audits, liability and legal representation.

2. Many costs once paid by the municipality are now paid by the Public Library District, including legal fees, insurance costs and publication charges. In-kind services offered by the township or municipality may also be lost.

3. In general, the Board has the same powers/duties as a Public Library's Board. However, the Public Library District's Board has additional responsibilities as the governing/corporate authority. Public Library Districts Boards' assume greater responsibility, they are the corporate authority. If the Board does not pass an ordinance or file the appropriate paperwork, the action is not completed. Since the district is a corporate authority with taxing ability, the trustees and librarian must also be familiar with all laws and regulations affecting a district. These laws include but are not limited to Truth in Taxation [35 ILCS 200/18-55 to 18-100], Tort Immunity Tax [745 ILCS 10/1-101 et seq], Audit of Accounts [65 ILCS 5/8 and 50 ILCS 310/1], and Ethics Acts [various, but especially 5 ILCS 420/4A-101].

4. Opposition to the Public Library District may come from many groups, including the school district, the farm bureau and others. Groups and individuals considered supporters of the library may not agree with a decision to form a district.

If the driving force behind the decision of the Lyons Library Board is primarily to ensure that property and personal property tax replacement monies are remitted to the library in a predictable timely manner when they are released by the county - something the VOL has repeatedly failed to do - it is a shame that this issue wasn't brought to the attention of the public and the Village corporate authorities (i.e., the Village President and Board of Trustees) before this point. Also have to wonder if a less drastic form of relief - mandamus maybe - might not have been appropriate to seek?
Duffys Tavern

Chicago, IL

#5621 Sep 24, 2012
She Back wrote:
<quoted text>
Will start by posting pros/cons of going to a district from a public library (under municipality), as listed (with a little editing) in the "Library District Handbook" mentioned in Francine's post (she added link to source). This is decent quick overview:
Advantages to becoming a public library district
1. Public Library Districts have all the responsibilities of the corporate authority including internal administration and eminent domain.
2. Public Library Districts may add adjacent, unserved territory either by ordinance, referendum or by individual landowners petitioning for annexation.
3. Public Library Districts are able to improve library service via the expanded tax base of the larger population.(Only if they add territory, and then this is only maybe)
4. Public Library Districts receive tax monies directly from the county.
5. Public Library Districts have complete independence and responsibility over its tax levy; tax anticipation warrants; referenda for building programs (including bonds, mortgages, condemnations); and tax referenda for tax rate increase up to statutory limits.
6. Public Library Districts retains its own legal counsel and auditor.(This also true of Lyons Library)
7. Public Library Districts' Board of Trustees is elected by and directly responsible to the District's taxpayers.(This is also true of Lyons Library)
Does anyone know who or what group is pushing for this change in the Library's status, and what they hope to accomplish by doing so?
Francine

Forest Park, IL

#5622 Sep 25, 2012
This entire issue came about because my husband saw the agenda on the door of the Library..simple and truthful...the date on the agenda stated Aug 22,2012.

Before the meeting started, I brought up the issue
with the board members that were present and informed them that there could be no meeting, for the simple reason the date was incorrect....
Meeting was cancelled when Attorney was present and
the question was addressed with him.

I decided to ask them who brought the the District
issue to the table and was informed that the board members "collectively" had decided to bring this matter up.

If anyone has concerns, kindly attend the meetings and address your issues.
She Back

United States

#5623 Sep 25, 2012
Duffys Tavern wrote:
<quoted text>Does anyone know who or what group is pushing for this change in the Library's status, and what they hope to accomplish by doing so?
The Library Board discussed this with their law firm in their public board meetings as early as April (See minutes of the April 10, 2012 Library Board Meeting, available on the Lyons Library website under Board of Trustees). When I read through their minutes/agendas last Sunday, there was a gap in the posted minutes extending from Jan 2012 through March 2012, although agendas for those months were posted. A FOIA request has been filed to obtain copies of the missing months.

The Library Board appears to have initiated this move to convert our Local Library to a District.

There has been NO official release of information from the Board as to why they are choosing this course beyond the green handouts that were made available to the public at their "gala" a bit ago and are currently available in the library.

BTW, the handouts do NOT mention the impending referendum, nor do they specify exactly why the Board is seeking the conversion now, and what the consequences of conversion would be to the library institutionally, its' patrons, the taxpayers, other taxing bodies (such as the schools), the employees, and the community at large.
She Back

Casper, WY

#5624 Sep 25, 2012
Today is the first day for prospective candidates for office in the April Concolidated Election to collect signatures for their nominating petitions.

Library Board has 2 Trustee positions up for election in April: Petition Forms and requirements can be accessed via the 2013 Candidates Handbook, available for download on the Cook County Clerk's and the State Board of Elections' websites. Bonne Chance to all prospective candidates!
Mikey Miguel

Franklin Park, IL

#5625 Sep 25, 2012
She back
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