Gilmer BOE hires a new principal at m...
Fannin Native

Ellijay, GA

#141 Jan 6, 2012
graybeard wrote:
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It is obvious that F.N. does not understand, no matter how much he/she tries to be convincing.
It is obvious that graybeard does not understand, no matter how much he/she tries to be convincing. Have you looked at any of the factual data that I talk about? Have you spent any time in any of our schools as a volunteer? If you do both of these things and then still disagree with me, then we will just have to agree to disagree.
Terry Daniel

Ellijay, GA

#142 Jan 6, 2012
Oubliette wrote:
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Layman was targeted by Gary Hyde's wife-gone
Burrell sided with Oakland crowd-gone
Kimball spent his day on computer-gone
Ueltzen was a sniveling idiot-gone
Smith was non leader-gone
Shalabra disagreed with Dorsey over wife being demoted to principal-gone
Custodians-over paid and benefited -gone
Ozment-pissed off BOE-gone
Pat Parks in position created by Cantrell for his girlfriend-gone
Elliott-incompetent-gone
I see a pattern, do any of you?
Burrel was not a party to any hanky-panky. He was railroaded by an illegal act by Kathy Jones. These facts will soon come out during a formal hearing. Be patient.
graybeard

Ellijay, GA

#143 Jan 6, 2012
Fannin Native wrote:
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It is obvious that graybeard does not understand, no matter how much he/she tries to be convincing. Have you looked at any of the factual data that I talk about? Have you spent any time in any of our schools as a volunteer? If you do both of these things and then still disagree with me, then we will just have to agree to disagree.
Being a volunteer at the Gilmer schools will not help to get the BOE and King Dorsey to think clearly, for the financial, self serving greed is their main motivation for being part of the Gilmer School System.

Yes, FN, we will agree to disagree.
Fannin Native

Ellijay, GA

#144 Jan 7, 2012
graybeard wrote:
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Being a volunteer at the Gilmer schools will not help to get the BOE and King Dorsey to think clearly, for the financial, self serving greed is their main motivation for being part of the Gilmer School System.
Yes, FN, we will agree to disagree.
Volunteering may not do those things, but it does the most important thing, HELP THE KIDS!
graybeard

Ellijay, GA

#145 Jan 7, 2012
Fannin Native wrote:
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Volunteering may not do those things, but it does the most important thing, HELP THE KIDS!
Going back to my previous example, concerning the WIDGIT Company.

With the Widgit Company, to be successful, Mr WIDGIT must satify the "customer", which is the public.

With the BOE, to be successful, the BOE Company must satisfy the "customer", which is the student.

In either case, if the WIDGIT Company or the BOE do NOT spent their funds in a manner that is beneficial to their customers ... the public or the student will suffer.

The public has the option to find another WIDGIT comany, but the students don't have that option, instead, they get lost in the shuufle .... which, sadly, effects their life pattern.
Fannin Native

Ellijay, GA

#146 Jan 7, 2012
graybeard wrote:
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Going back to my previous example, concerning the WIDGIT Company.
With the Widgit Company, to be successful, Mr WIDGIT must satify the "customer", which is the public.
With the BOE, to be successful, the BOE Company must satisfy the "customer", which is the student.
In either case, if the WIDGIT Company or the BOE do NOT spent their funds in a manner that is beneficial to their customers ... the public or the student will suffer.
The public has the option to find another WIDGIT comany, but the students don't have that option, instead, they get lost in the shuufle .... which, sadly, effects their life pattern.
My suggestion for you would be to hope that the Charter school gets approved and see how well that works out; but just like the research shows, even charter schools with a high number of Low SES students fare no better than their public counterparts.
Bob

Ellijay, GA

#147 Jan 7, 2012
graybeard wrote:
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"If there had been someone, they would have gotten that job"
That is the problem, FN, the qualified folks were overlooked,they didn't get the job .... so Dorsey could bring in, yet another, to put under his thumb.
In any school system, the Super works for the board .... here the board bows to the wishes of the Super, and parents, such as yourself, pat Dorsey on the back for his D- work.
You may be the parent who works with your kids, as you should. What happens to the kids who DON'T have that scenario at home? Who brings them along, so they can be honor students in Gilmer County? Not your problem or concern ?
You talk about "easy fixes" for Gilmer ... there are none. That's the reason we, as citizens, have to grab Dorsey and BOE gang by their private parts and make them tow the line.
Dorsey "thought" by getting the presdernt BOE to extend his contract for another 3 years, he's out of harms way and is job protected, if new board members begin to filter in after this July's election.
He's not.
If I were you, FN, as a parent of kids in Gilmer school system, I would be mad as heck as to what is going on. YOu can't just wag your head in agreement when the BOE makes moves that are not sensible or financially sound.
You have to do more than help with homework. Take the blinders off, it's time.
Agree! And if you want some interesting reading google, Bryan Dorsey and see not only about the suits against White County but also read the court case where he sued Atlanta Public schools for
NOT renewing his contract (he lost his appeal).........wonder if he listed that on his resume or application?
If not, isn't that grounds for termination?
graybeard

Ellijay, GA

#149 Jan 7, 2012
Fannin Native wrote:
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My suggestion for you would be to hope that the Charter school gets approved and see how well that works out; but just like the research shows, even charter schools with a high number of Low SES students fare no better than their public counterparts.
Having low SES students is not a disease, instead it is a challenge for the BOE and their King Dorsey to be creative, in order to allow these students to gather as much acedamic knowledge as possible, based on the overall status of the individuals within our area.

I made no mention of charter schools. Just like the WIDGIT company, the BOE needs to satisfy the NEEDS of the students here in Gilmer. The BOE knows the demographics of Gilmer, therefore needs in Gilmer County may vary from Denver, Colorado.

Keep in mind here, we're only talking about 4300 students here, not a big number in the grand scheme of things.

If the BOE gave as much attention to the students as they do to covering their own rears, we would not be having this conversation.
graybeard

Ellijay, GA

#150 Jan 7, 2012
Bob wrote:
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Agree! And if you want some interesting reading google, Bryan Dorsey and see not only about the suits against White County but also read the court case where he sued Atlanta Public schools for
NOT renewing his contract (he lost his appeal).........wonder if he listed that on his resume or application?
If not, isn't that grounds for termination?
King Dorsey had these suits going on before of after he was hired by the braintrust here in Gilmer?
Fannin Native

Ellijay, GA

#151 Jan 7, 2012
graybeard wrote:
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Having low SES students is not a disease, instead it is a challenge for the BOE and their King Dorsey to be creative, in order to allow these students to gather as much acedamic knowledge as possible, based on the overall status of the individuals within our area.
I made no mention of charter schools. Just like the WIDGIT company, the BOE needs to satisfy the NEEDS of the students here in Gilmer. The BOE knows the demographics of Gilmer, therefore needs in Gilmer County may vary from Denver, Colorado.
Keep in mind here, we're only talking about 4300 students here, not a big number in the grand scheme of things.
If the BOE gave as much attention to the students as they do to covering their own rears, we would not be having this conversation.
I agree that the needs here are different than other places, but NCLB puts all teachers in a box and doesn't allow much wiggle room. As far as the BOE paying attention, I really don't think that would make much of a change. If all it took was took focus on it more then Gwinnett would not have 2 schools in the bottom 10 when they have 2 in the top 10. The entire community has to be involved 100% to change the standard in low SES districts. If the parents are not involved, it will not work. If the students are not involved, it will not work. It takes a total paradigm shift from every single person involved. Students who want a better life than their parents have.
Terry Daniel

Ellijay, GA

#152 Jan 7, 2012
Fannin Native wrote:
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I agree that the needs here are different than other places, but NCLB puts all teachers in a box and doesn't allow much wiggle room. As far as the BOE paying attention, I really don't think that would make much of a change. If all it took was took focus on it more then Gwinnett would not have 2 schools in the bottom 10 when they have 2 in the top 10. The entire community has to be involved 100% to change the standard in low SES districts. If the parents are not involved, it will not work. If the students are not involved, it will not work. It takes a total paradigm shift from every single person involved. Students who want a better life than their parents have.
OK, you have convinced me that this needs done. How do we do it?
Fannin Native

Ellijay, GA

#153 Jan 7, 2012
Terry Daniel wrote:
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OK, you have convinced me that this needs done. How do we do it?
I do not have an exact answer for that. We have to get people to believe that life can be better for them and the only way to do it is through education, that is what my parents always told me, and I believed them. Students need to be expected to make A's in their classes. Teacher's should tell them everyday that they can succeed, and demand and expect the best from their students. Everyone has to be held accountable, the BOE, Administration, Teacher's, Parents, Student's. This will be a really difficult task that may take years to reach the ultimate goal.
graybeard

Ellijay, GA

#154 Jan 7, 2012
Fannin Native wrote:
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I do not have an exact answer for that. We have to get people to believe that life can be better for them and the only way to do it is through education, that is what my parents always told me, and I believed them. Students need to be expected to make A's in their classes. Teacher's should tell them everyday that they can succeed, and demand and expect the best from their students. Everyone has to be held accountable, the BOE, Administration, Teacher's, Parents, Student's. This will be a really difficult task that may take years to reach the ultimate goal.
The BOE has to know there will not EVER be ultimate participation from the parents in Gilmer County. That being said, how does the BOE take the bull by the horns and circumvent the negativity facing the kids at home and STILL prepare the kids for the world?

“Airhead”

Since: Jan 11

I'm finished with commas!

#155 Jan 7, 2012
Fannin Native wrote:
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I do not have an exact answer for that. We have to get people to believe that life can be better for them and the only way to do it is through education, that is what my parents always told me, and I believed them. Students need to be expected to make A's in their classes. Teacher's should tell them everyday that they can succeed, and demand and expect the best from their students. Everyone has to be held accountable, the BOE, Administration, Teacher's, Parents, Student's. This will be a really difficult task that may take years to reach the ultimate goal.
I like your heart, Fannin.
Every now and then, we hear those success stories of little towns rising up and succeeding. Towns everyone had given up hope on.
Starts with a few people, and grows to many. Real success stories.

You want Gilmer to be a success story. It can happen. There's enough people right here, on this board, wanting it too.
graybeard

Ellijay, GA

#156 Jan 7, 2012
EgoBrain wrote:
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I like your heart, Fannin.
Every now and then, we hear those success stories of little towns rising up and succeeding. Towns everyone had given up hope on.
Starts with a few people, and grows to many. Real success stories.
You want Gilmer to be a success story. It can happen. There's enough people right here, on this board, wanting it too.
You bet !
Terry Daniel

Ellijay, GA

#157 Jan 8, 2012
Fannin Native wrote:
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I do not have an exact answer for that. We have to get people to believe that life can be better for them and the only way to do it is through education, that is what my parents always told me, and I believed them. Students need to be expected to make A's in their classes. Teacher's should tell them everyday that they can succeed, and demand and expect the best from their students. Everyone has to be held accountable, the BOE, Administration, Teacher's, Parents, Student's. This will be a really difficult task that may take years to reach the ultimate goal.
When do we start?
bob

Ellijay, GA

#158 Jan 8, 2012
graybeard wrote:
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King Dorsey had these suits going on before of after he was hired by the braintrust here in Gilmer?
Before. I know his application and resume are public documents and I would like to do a open records request, but my younger sister is an elementary school teacher, is unmarried and we share the same surname. She has begged me not to do it. There exists are real climate of fear and intimidation within our schools.
Lifer

Jasper, GA

#159 Jan 8, 2012
Have her make the request herself , see that way any backlash would be hostile work environment and law suit ready!
former custodian

Ellijay, GA

#160 Jan 8, 2012
How clean are the schools now? Have students missed school because the schools are not being cleaned and disenfected daily? Do the students get the extra encourgement from Souther Management employees? I do not think we were over paid for the work we did.When I was termanated I made 10.02 an hour and worked for the BOE for 7 years. Citizens, ask teachers and students how this year is going and I do not think you will get positive feedback.
ProCon1

Jasper, GA

#161 Jan 8, 2012
Lifer wrote:
Have her make the request herself , see that way any backlash would be hostile work environment and law suit ready!
I would recommend having someone else request whatever you want. Setting the county up for a lawsuit will only cost us taxpayers more money. Unfortunately you can't sue him personally.

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