Poking a stick in the hornets nest

Poking a stick in the hornets nest

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#1 Sep 14, 2012
First we destabilize a peaceful, neutral country: Libya.

Then we assist in the murder of their President, Gaddafi.

Here's Hillary, laughing about it:



The we install a radical Islamic government, the Muslim Brotherhood to run Libya.

Then THEY turn around and murder OUR guy, the Ambassador and ignite a firestorm around the world.

Hillary ain't laughing now.

“Airhead”

Since: Jan 11

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#2 Sep 14, 2012
And who is minding the country?

I'm so livid, disgusted and terrified over this whole situation.
It's spread to 20 countries and the White House downplays it.

2 more Marines are dead, tonight.

Since: Jul 08

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#3 Sep 14, 2012
EgoBrain wrote:
And who is minding the country?
I'm so livid, disgusted and terrified over this whole situation.
It's spread to 20 countries and the White House downplays it.
2 more Marines are dead, tonight.
WHO IS MINDING THE COUNTRY? You want to know who is minding the country??? NO ONE. Repeat NO ONE!

The person that was elected President of the United States of America has attended only 31% of all intelligence briefings since he has been in the White House. 31%! Bush basically never missed one. Obama says he gets a written report. You can't ask questions or interrogate the sources on a piece of paper. You can't ask your commanders questions if you aren't there. There was chatter and it's a known fact that 9/11 is a dangerous day for Americans in the Middle East. Did Obama attend the intelligence briefing on 9/11? NO. After our embassy was attacked around 10 pm our time and Obama was told, HE WENT TO BED! He didn't say to increase security, get our people out, he didn't follow up, HE WENT TO BED!

The next morning, Wednesday, HE DIDN'T GO TO THE INTELLIGENCE BRIEFING. He left for a political campaign fundraiser in Las Vegas. Ego, he didn't attend the briefing to learn that we had embassies all over the region being attack, he didn't get right on top of who killed Chris Stevens, he got on Air Force One and went to a campaign fund raiser and left 90,000 civilian Americans in Egypt alone without direction.

He is criminally insane in my opinion. He has no feelings, no concern for America or Americans. He is destroying the country in the eyes of the rest of the world. He has turned his back on all of our allies and he has looted it of every penny and put is so deep in debt we can't fight another war and he is working on starting one.

You should be terrified. WE SHOULD ALL BE TERRIFIED. And the POTUS should be defeated.

“Airhead”

Since: Jan 11

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#4 Sep 14, 2012
procon1 wrote:
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WHO IS MINDING THE COUNTRY? You want to know who is minding the country??? NO ONE. Repeat NO ONE!
The person that was elected President of the United States of America has attended only 31% of all intelligence briefings since he has been in the White House. 31%! Bush basically never missed one. Obama says he gets a written report. You can't ask questions or interrogate the sources on a piece of paper. You can't ask your commanders questions if you aren't there. There was chatter and it's a known fact that 9/11 is a dangerous day for Americans in the Middle East. Did Obama attend the intelligence briefing on 9/11? NO. After our embassy was attacked around 10 pm our time and Obama was told, HE WENT TO BED! He didn't say to increase security, get our people out, he didn't follow up, HE WENT TO BED!
The next morning, Wednesday, HE DIDN'T GO TO THE INTELLIGENCE BRIEFING. He left for a political campaign fundraiser in Las Vegas. Ego, he didn't attend the briefing to learn that we had embassies all over the region being attack, he didn't get right on top of who killed Chris Stevens, he got on Air Force One and went to a campaign fund raiser and left 90,000 civilian Americans in Egypt alone without direction.
He is criminally insane in my opinion. He has no feelings, no concern for America or Americans. He is destroying the country in the eyes of the rest of the world. He has turned his back on all of our allies and he has looted it of every penny and put is so deep in debt we can't fight another war and he is working on starting one.
You should be terrified. WE SHOULD ALL BE TERRIFIED. And the POTUS should be defeated.
procon1 wrote:
He is criminally insane in my opinion. He has no feelings, no concern for America or Americans. He is destroying the country in the eyes of the rest of the world. He has turned his back on all of our allies and he has looted it of every penny and put is so deep in debt we can't fight another war and he is working on starting one.
Your whole post was correct and fact filled, and I have to wonder WHO immediately gave you the large red X.
This is YOUR country too, whoever disagreed with Pro's post. Your country too. And with QE3 yesterday, we are now falling off the cliff. We're not on the edge, teetering, we're falling to a crash and it's going to be bloody.
Look at this man with no blinders. He's not a Democrat.

The paragraph I quoted, is the one that (in words that children can see)(if any are reading) reflects my final thoughts, exactly.
But I know you wanted to include this !%#@ and this $$!$^ and this !!^&%##%%%^&

“Airhead”

Since: Jan 11

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#5 Sep 14, 2012
procon1 wrote:
...has attended only 31% of all intelligence briefings since he has been in the White House. 31%! Bush basically never missed one.
AND, Bush hand wrote a personal message to the families of fallen soldiers. Barry sends form letters.

And, Bush remembered their names and knew bits of their life stories.
Barry forgets their names.

And, Bush and Laura to this day, greet the soldiers coming home.
Barry plays golf and campaigns.

Love him or hate him, Bush cared.

**This was to your X rater/disagreer dude. I know you, Pro, know these facts.**
Po Folk

Ellijay, GA

#6 Sep 14, 2012
Gaddafi was behind the Lockerbie bombing back in the 80's, right? I wouldn't exactly call Libya peaceful before the 'Arab Spring'.
I think we're in a Holy War and I don't envy the POTUS. whoever he or she is.

I know I'm gonna catch it for this, but this is the only solution!

'if my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and I will forgive their sin and will heal their land.' 2 Chronicles 7:14

“Airhead”

Since: Jan 11

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#7 Sep 14, 2012
No hell, Po Folk. I pray. It helps.

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#8 Sep 15, 2012
Po Folk wrote:
Gaddafi was behind the Lockerbie bombing back in the 80's, right? I wouldn't exactly call Libya peaceful before the 'Arab Spring'.
That was 30 years ago.
He was docile after we killed his sons.

Since that time, we've been doing all sorts of oil and drilling deals with Gaddafi.

Gaddafi was a moderate that we overthrew, to install the radical Muslim Brotherhood.
WHY did we do that?

Why would our Secretary of State go on television and laugh about murdering him?
He was THEIR beloved leader.

Why would she INTENTIONALLY provoke a radical group that carries out revenge for a thousand years?

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#9 Sep 15, 2012
EgoBrain wrote:
And who is minding the country?
I'm so livid, disgusted and terrified over this whole situation.
It's spread to 20 countries and the White House downplays it.
2 more Marines are dead, tonight.
Barry's right on top of this.

Radical Muslims kill US citizens in Libya, and already,
we have a conservative Christian in custody in California.

Ya can't make this $hit up.

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#10 Sep 15, 2012
Reality Now wrote:
First we destabilize a peaceful, neutral country: Libya.
Then we assist in the murder of their President, Gaddafi.
Here's Hillary, laughing about it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =J_x04Gn3-2gXX
The we install a radical Islamic government, the Muslim Brotherhood to run Libya.
Then THEY turn around and murder OUR guy, the Ambassador and ignite a firestorm around the world.
Hillary ain't laughing now.
Um, what world are you living in man?
First what happened in Libya was a situation spreading around the Arab world , we didn't cause that.
How can you say they were peaceful? Need I remind you of the 1986 attacks that killed Americans. A terrorist group that Gaddafi supported?
Also we did not kill him. His own people had enough of him. Gaddafi didn't garner the nickname Mad dog of the Middle-east for nothing.

What has sent the world into a shit storm had nothing to do with this. Maybe some of the attacks where planned but it happened during a violent protest, many of which are still happening, over a stupid movie clip. These people are freaks and fanatics about their religion and would gladly kill you if you didn't convert. Someone made a movie and posted images of the prophet muhammad and they went nuts like always. You don't see Christians going all bat shit crazy if they do something like that about Jesus.
I've lived in the mid-east for almost a decade and I can tell you not all of them are like this but people have a mob mentality and once it's started, it goes from bad to worse fast.

You need to check you facts before you start talking about us killing a peaceful man and causing this because it wasn't the government.

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#11 Sep 15, 2012
Po Folk wrote:
Gaddafi was behind the Lockerbie bombing back in the 80's, right? I wouldn't exactly call Libya peaceful before the 'Arab Spring'.
I think we're in a Holy War and I don't envy the POTUS. whoever he or she is.
I know I'm gonna catch it for this, but this is the only solution!
'if my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and I will forgive their sin and will heal their land.' 2 Chronicles 7:14
I don't think we are in a holy war, but I do think it is soon going to be America versus a major world religion.
America my be mostly Christian but for us that doesn't matter. What matters is they are bringing the war to us. Countries we are trying to help aren't protecting our embassies, we will soon see more terrorist acts against Americans all over the world and some of them may even happen at home.

Short of invading every country that protects these people the best thing we can do now is pull all support from these countries, pull troops back home our to our bases in Europe and just let the Mid-east implode on itself. Then in a decade or so we see how things are going.

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#12 Sep 15, 2012
Stryffe wrote:
Um, what world are you living in man?
Isn't it obvious?
I live in the world of REALITY.
Stryffe wrote:
You need to check you facts before you start talking about us killing a peaceful man and causing this because it wasn't the government.
The YouTube video interview with our Secretary of State certainly indicated that we were responsible for killing Gaddafi.

Why did you feel it necessary to lie about what I had written?

I said that LIBYA had been peaceful until we destabilized it. You changed that around to claim that I said that GADDAFI was peaceful.

By the way, two Libyan nationals were brought to trial for Lockerbie. One was convicted. Gaddafi was never charged, prosecuted, or convicted.

I agree with your assessment that these people are fanatics.

The POINT of this thread, was to discuss WHY we installed these fanatics, and WHY we go out of our way to inflame them.

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#13 Sep 15, 2012
Reality Now wrote:
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Isn't it obvious?
I live in the world of REALITY.
Why did you feel it necessary to lie about what I had written?
I said that LIBYA had been peaceful until we destabilized it. You changed that around to claim that I said that GADDAFI was peaceful.
By the way, two Libyan nationals were brought to trial for Lockerbie. One was convicted. Gaddafi was never charged, prosecuted, or convicted.
I agree with your assessment that these people are fanatics.
The POINT of this thread, was to discuss WHY we installed these fanatics, and WHY we go out of our way to inflame them.
Where did I lie? Nowhere.
Libya was run by a tyrant, he was not peaceful and while the population might be his country was not. Much like Iran the controlling government was not one that acted in the best interest of the global community.
How do figure we go out of our way to inflame them? Why do you think we had anything to do with installing the new ruling class. Hell the French lead the attack on Libya not us, we didn't even send in the Navy until it was almost over.

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#14 Sep 15, 2012
Stryffe wrote:
Where did I lie? Nowhere.
I don't want to divert this into yet another education thread decrying the inability to read and comprehend.

I explained the lie in simple English.
You can't understand it.

If I wanted to teach remedial reading, I'd have gone into that line of work.
I don't, and I didn't.
Forget it.

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#15 Sep 15, 2012
Reality Now wrote:
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I don't want to divert this into yet another education thread decrying the inability to read and comprehend.
I explained the lie in simple English.
No but you'll divert into passive aggressive personal assaults.

You didn't explain or show anyplace where I lied, because I didn't.

You however are basing your assumptions on a 12 second video. What's the whole story? I don't know I haven't seen that entire interview, have you?

Oh and next time you wish to question my ability to read, comprehend what is written or mine or anyone else's intelligence on this site you might want to get to know that person first.

Since: Jul 08

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#16 Sep 15, 2012
Stryffe wrote:
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Where did I lie? Nowhere.
Libya was run by a tyrant, he was not peaceful and while the population might be his country was not. Much like Iran the controlling government was not one that acted in the best interest of the global community.
How do figure we go out of our way to inflame them? Why do you think we had anything to do with installing the new ruling class. Hell the French lead the attack on Libya not us, we didn't even send in the Navy until it was almost over.
Stryffe, as an objective bystander I think i see where you and Reality have gotten crossed.

Back in Post #1 Reality clearly said that" we destabilized a peaceful, neutral country: Libya, and then we assisted in the murder of Gaddafi." He placed no adjectives on Gaddafi. He did not call him peaceful or a tyrant.

In post #6 Reality pointed out that Gaddafi was a moderate that we overthrew to install the radical Muslim Brotherhood. I think Reality referred to him as "moderate" because after we killed his sons and for the last 30 years or so his only contacts with the US were in making oil deals etc.

But then in Post #10 you ask what world was he living in? AND in your last sentence you actually say: " you need to check your facts before you start talking about us killing a PEACEFUL man and causing this because it wasn't the government.

I do not see anywhere where Reality called Gaddafi a peaceful man. Reality referred to Libya as 'a peaceful, neutral country' in Post #1, but I don't see anywhere that he called Gaddafi peaceful and I think that is what he is taking issue with.????

In fact in Post #12 I see where Reality says exactly what I just said above:

"I said that LIBYA had been peaceful until we destabilized it. You changed that around to claim that I said that GADDAFI was peaceful."

?????

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#17 Sep 15, 2012
procon1 wrote:
In fact in Post #12 I see where Reality says exactly what I just said above:
"I said that LIBYA had been peaceful until we destabilized it. You changed that around to claim that I said that GADDAFI was peaceful."
?????
Thank you.

It takes a special patience, perseverance and endurance to laboriously explain in 7 paragraphs, what I wrote in 2 sentences.

I have neither the aptitude, nor inclination, to be a special needs teacher.

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#18 Sep 15, 2012
Reality Now wrote:
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Thank you.
It takes a special patience, perseverance and endurance to laboriously explain in 7 paragraphs, what I wrote in 2 sentences.
I have neither the aptitude, nor inclination, to be a special needs teacher.
There you go again. You really do need to learn how to play with others. You harbor such contempt for the education system, did they at some point in the past fire you by any chance?

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#19 Sep 15, 2012
turniptown wrote:
You harbor such contempt for the education system, did they at some point in the past fire you by any chance?
Public schools have become a toxic environment for kids.

Such child abuse should not be tolerated.

Look:

http://kdvr.com/2012/09/14/loveland-school-se...

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#20 Sep 15, 2012
procon1 wrote:
Back in Post #1 Reality clearly said that" we destabilized a peaceful, neutral country: Libya, and then we assisted in the murder of Gaddafi." He placed no adjectives on Gaddafi. He did not call him peaceful or a tyrant.
Perhaps he didn't say Gaddafi himself was peaceful and I'll admit to being wrong for misstating him on that, however as the leader of a country who's government, as a whole supported and terrorism my statements stand. Libya was neither peaceful or neutral.
procon1 wrote:
In post #6 Reality pointed out that Gaddafi was a moderate that we overthrew to install the radical Muslim Brotherhood. I think Reality referred to him as "moderate" because after we killed his sons and for the last 30 years or so his only contacts with the US were in making oil deals etc.
And again I say the he has no proof we installed or overthrew anything in that country. The French started the attacks on Libya and we joined in much later on.
Why would we install a radical new government? There is no reason to think that we would put something in place that would be so against us.
procon1 wrote:
But then in Post #10 you ask what world was he living in? AND in your last sentence you actually say: " you need to check your facts before you start talking about us killing a PEACEFUL man and causing this because it wasn't the government.
I do not see anywhere where Reality called Gaddafi a peaceful man. Reality referred to Libya as 'a peaceful, neutral country' in Post #1, but I don't see anywhere that he called Gaddafi peaceful and I think that is what he is taking issue with.????
In fact in Post #12 I see where Reality says exactly what I just said above:
"I said that LIBYA had been peaceful until we destabilized it. You changed that around to claim that I said that GADDAFI was peaceful."
?????
We already went over this but again for the kiddies at home. I accept I misstated him in saying Gaddafi was peaceful, but Libya as a country was far from neutral or peaceful. We did not kill Gaddafi that was the people of his country when they had finally had enough of him. They followed the examples set by the uprisings in Egypt and revolted against a tyrant. There is no hard proof we had anything to do with that at all.
Libya supported (with weapon supplies, training camps located within Libya and monetary finances) an array of armed paramilitary groups both left and right wing. Leftist and socialist groups included the Provisional Irish Republican Army, the Basque Fatherland and Liberty, the Umkhonto We Sizwe, the Polisario Front, the Palestine Liberation Organization and the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, while others were on the Far Right such as the Moro National Liberation Front.
Is this the work of a neutral country?

I'll stipulate that recently the US was starting to talk with Libya which doesn't mean it was peaceful, it only leads to the question, why would we destabilize the government that we are talking to, and if we did where is the proof? Until there is hard proof we did he is only another conspiracy theorist spouting what he thinks and not what is true.

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