Group wants state to improve sex ed

Group wants state to improve sex ed

There are 15 comments on the The Indianapolis Star story from Feb 8, 2007, titled Group wants state to improve sex ed. In it, The Indianapolis Star reports that:

Alisa Clapp-Itnyre wheeled a stroller into the Statehouse on Thursday morning, her daughter Annetta holding a sign that read, "I was Mommy's choice." Annetta Itnyre, 5, Richmond, came to the Statehouse on ...

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Mallory

Fishers, IN

#1 Feb 9, 2007
I attended the rally yesterday and what the article does NOT mention is the roughly 45 minute multi-faith celebration presented by the Indiana Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice. I believe that one can still find a letter by Kaye McSpadden, the director, on this website which nicely sums up the IRCRC's powerful message of religious cooperation.

During the presentation, several speakers from various faiths stood on the podium and talked about the importance of education, of pragmatism, and of tolerance. I don't recall the name of the speaker who said this, but he commented that we should not be afraid of information--it sets us free to make healthy choices and live healthy lives.

I just wanted to get this posted before all the inevitable "abortion is butchering babies" stuff gets posted. There WAS a very strong religious element to the rally. It was about coming together as people.

So, ok... I expect in about an hour or so, someone's going to post about how being pro-choice is murder or something. All those clergypeople don't seem to agree, but to each their own.
aii

Plainfield, IN

#2 Feb 9, 2007
That is one really sickening picture.
Christina

Johnstown, PA

#3 Feb 9, 2007
Look at that poor child's face. How must it feel, to grow up knowing that your mother's love is based on how convenient your arrival was for her, and not because she think you have any inherent worth as a human being?
Christina

Johnstown, PA

#4 Feb 9, 2007
Mallory wrote:
There WAS a very strong religious element to the rally.
Exactly which religion? Christianity, Judaism, Islam, and Buddhism all stress compassion, mercy, and protection of the helpless. An abortion-rights rally is about child sacrifice, not the sacrificial love that followers of these faiths seek to live.
Ethan789

Seattle, WA

#5 Feb 9, 2007
There is a common sense solution to this apparent conflict: Objective facts about sex need to be taught in public schools. Morals need to be taught at home and in houses of worship.
Mallory

Fishers, IN

#6 Feb 10, 2007
Christina wrote:
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Exactly which religion? Christianity, Judaism, Islam, and Buddhism all stress compassion, mercy, and protection of the helpless. An abortion-rights rally is about child sacrifice, not the sacrificial love that followers of these faiths seek to live.
Because of its interfaith nature, Christianity and Judaism were represented. Unfortunately, we didn't get any Islamic presence there, but maybe next year.

And about that "child sacrifice" thing... I didn't see any of that, actually. Maybe I was too busy listening to the Sassos (from Congregation Beth-El Zedeck) talk about the importance of knowledge and acceptance. What I got out of the experience was that a lot of people (myself included) wanted to help prevent unplanned pregnancy by better education and better access to contraception. That's why the rally was called "Prevention Now."

But hey, who knows? Maybe there was someone in the crowd carrying an "Abortion is awesome!" plaque that I didn't notice. Though pretty much the only person who dwelt on the issue of abortion was the creepy guy who got escorted out by the police.
Mallory

Fishers, IN

#7 Feb 10, 2007
Blah, blah, blah... Abortion is murder... Life begins at conception... Fetuses are people, too... Yadda yadda yadda.

You know, I've been on these forums for a little while now and it seems like every time ANYTHING about birth control or sex ed comes up, we must immediately talk about abortion. Inevitably, somebody starts to talk about how abortion is murder, it's immoral, that life begins at conception... All things that really can't be proven.

For example, murder is a legal term that (I believe) applies to a human who kills another human (both out of the womb by now, by the way) willfully and with premeditation. But it sure sounds catchy, doesn't it? A lot more interesting than saying, "Abortion is the termination of a fetus less than 24 weeks in the womb who could not sustain itself otherwise."

And as far as life beginning at conception, yes, that chemical reaction at conception is "alive" in the way that algae are alive--but it's not a baby. Furthermore, it is estimated that up to 50% of all fertilized eggs die and are lost (aborted) spontaneously, usually before the woman knows she is pregnant.(Source: http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/artic... ) God must be a HUGE abortionist!

Unfortunately, describing the public costs of unintended childbearing or the alarming rate at which teen girls become pregnant in this country just don't pack the same punch as the whole "abortionists butcher babies" schtick.

Pro-choice, anti-choice, whatever... Thanks for your time and thoughts. Thanks for your sometimes hateful posts and your always circular arguments.

"Abortion is murder."
"No, it's not."
"Yes, it is!"

We could go on like that all day. Unfortunately, I don't have time--I have rights that I need to defend. Hopefully I'll find people to argue with that actually use facts instead of non-quantifiable moral statements. Have a wonderful life, everybody.

“Liberty or Bust!”

Since: Feb 07

Freedom, IN

#8 Feb 11, 2007
Once everybody gets all educated about where babies come from, can men "just say no" to child support payments? Will men get "choice" too?
Or is the money more precious than the life?
Justin Chandler

Bloomington, IN

#9 Mar 29, 2007
"How must it feel, to grow up knowing that your mother's love is based on how convenient your arrival was for her, and not because she think you have any inherent worth as a human being?"

It feels better, I'm sure, than knowing that you were an accident caused by your parent's selfishness and then perpetuated by their desire to fulfill a role that they quite possibly cannot fulfill.

Short of being a terrible reductio, Andrew Horning, I think your point has some worth. If a woman chooses to keep a child and if the man sees fit to not keep the child then perhaps he has a right to say he wants nothing to do with it. In that case it would be up to the woman to have the child or not. But your question misses the point. When "everybody gets all educated" they will likely stop having unplanned pregnancies and the number of single-home families will decrease.
Jason

Indianapolis, IN

#10 Apr 6, 2009
The idea that education is the reason for a rise in teen pregnancies is rediculous. Teens know far more about sex now than they did in generations past. This is a trend that will continue to perpetuate. The problem doesn't come down to educating people, it comes down people themselves. See, if abortion is an option, people aren't going to be as careful. I, personally, would never support the abortion of my own child, but I do support anyone else's choice to do so.

My personal belief is that birth control is too difficult and expensive to get. There are avenues are a girl in high school can take get it without her parents' concent, but then she has to hide it. Assuming she can't get it or can't hide it, condoms are the best chance of not getting pregnant, and really, it just doesn't feel as good when you have one of those on, so eventually people get a taste of sex without one and just don't use them anymore.

It's interesting that no matter how bad things get in this country, abortion is still something that is debated heavily. Meanwhile, it is still legal and is going to continue to be that way.

Abortion isn't a best case scenario, but for girls who are victims of rape or just get unlucky enough to conceive at a young age, it is a better option than carrying to term, then having to make the decision of trying the care for a child without the proper means, or giving up your child in the hopes that it doesn't spend it's whole life in a group home for kids who didn't get adopted. Say what you will, but very few people haev ever had an abortion, then had a child later they couldn't care for. Those people are the only ones who can make a fair judgment on which is lesser of two evils. I'd like to see some posts from someone in that position.
Oooook

United States

#11 Apr 6, 2009
Ha wow man you really must have gone digging for this one; last response was March '07. With that said, anyone who opposes sex-ed is deluding themselves.
Wunderin

Noblesville, IN

#12 Apr 6, 2009
Way of topic here but,why can a 15 year old girl be deemed responsible enough to have a baby but not responsible enough to see an R rated movie,drive a car,or many other things without parental supervision.A 15 year old can have a baby but can't register a dog without a parent,I don't know what that says about people,do we really value the welfare of a pet more than a baby?

Cpetr13

“Reality is better than truth”

Since: Jun 07

Indianapolis

#13 Apr 6, 2009
Sure. Men will have the choice to use condos and safe sex or potentially get called "daddy" in nine months. Just like the mommy is just as responsible if there is a born child with half HER DNA.
Andrew Horning wrote:
Once everybody gets all educated about where babies come from, can men "just say no" to child support payments? Will men get "choice" too?
Or is the money more precious than the life?

Cpetr13

“Reality is better than truth”

Since: Jun 07

Indianapolis

#14 Apr 6, 2009
The movie ratings were created in deference to the PARENTS, not to protect the teens. Having a baby requires very little more than doing what your body tells you; driving requires training and puts the lives of others in peril.

The idea that a 15yo SHOULD have a baby is for more horrific than any R-rated movie, btw. I consider "Juno" and that tv series with the pregnant teen to be encouraging girls to get pregnant because it's all so easy and everything comes out right. BS. Teens are far more likely to suffer reproductive damage having a kid, and the babies themselves are far more likely to have physical and developmental disorders even if they coe out reasonably healthy.

The whole dog thing is irrelevant. In that case, whoever has the dog is making the rules about who can adopt their charges. A pregnancy is the girl's decision alone.
Wunderin wrote:
Way of topic here but,why can a 15 year old girl be deemed responsible enough to have a baby but not responsible enough to see an R rated movie,drive a car,or many other things without parental supervision.A 15 year old can have a baby but can't register a dog without a parent,I don't know what that says about people,do we really value the welfare of a pet more than a baby?

“We're all Bozos on this bus”

Since: Jan 07

South Bend, IN

#15 Apr 6, 2009
Who's this 'Ed' guy?

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