Senate panel OKs health plan for poor

Senate panel OKs health plan for poor

There are 18 comments on the The Indianapolis Star story from Feb 7, 2007, titled Senate panel OKs health plan for poor. In it, The Indianapolis Star reports that:

The Senate Health and Provider Services Committee voted 9-0 this morning to pass Gov.

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pal

Carmel, IN

#1 Feb 7, 2007
Good Idea on cigarette tax hike but what if people quit smoking because of tax hike, then where would the money come from. Shouldnt there be a back up plan to gather funds from.
joe

Kenosha, WI

#2 Feb 7, 2007
you raise the cigarette tax just means that you will have to give more food stamps and more in heating assitance and other state monies for the poor.
It's not gonna slow me down, It might drive me to a genaric brand that will cause cause problems sooner. cough cough

“Small dose of common sense.”

Since: Dec 06

Indianapolis

#3 Feb 7, 2007
pal wrote:
Good Idea on cigarette tax hike but what if people quit smoking because of tax hike, then where would the money come from. Shouldnt there be a back up plan to gather funds from.
If people quit smoking, we should phase it out. Let smokers who are already a big contributor to our health care problem foot the bill. I sure as hell don't want to pay for it.
Time for Change

United States

#4 Feb 7, 2007
The begining of socialized healthcare. I have no problem providing this on a limited basis for those who need a lift but the state keeps giving and giving and giving. What is the incentive for these people to get a job or a better job and provide for themselves. Why don't we put money into continued education to make these people more valuable in the work force? Oh yeah, that would require effort on their part. Why put up any effort if the rest of us working people are willing to pay their way through life. Time to end the entitlements.
Time for Change

United States

#5 Feb 7, 2007
La Maze Johnson wrote:
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If people quit smoking, we should phase it out. Let smokers who are already a big contributor to our health care problem foot the bill. I sure as hell don't want to pay for it.
So smokers are the reason we need socialized healthcare for the poor. Now that makes sense. I smoke and I pay for my own healthcare. How is that contributing to Illegals and the poor getting care and not paying for it. Just because I smoke doesn't make me a foot-stool for the government. I don't think I should have to pay for the healthcare of the "working poor". I already pay out the wazzou in taxes to feed, cloth, and provide housing for the poor. Next I suppose I'll be expected to pay to clean their homes too.
John Q

AOL

#6 Feb 7, 2007
We are spending millions to get people to stop smoking so, who wins here?. Is this just one more program for ILLEGALS to get better health care than they have now?...I'm poor and Wishard wants to bill me and collect for any services a Citizen gets! How about this bill? someone let me know..Thanks.
John Q. Citizen.
Steve

Carmel, IN

#12 Feb 7, 2007
One step closer to Socialism and therefore one step closer to Communism...

“Small dose of common sense.”

Since: Dec 06

Indianapolis

#13 Feb 7, 2007
Time for Change wrote:
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So smokers are the reason we need socialized healthcare for the poor. Now that makes sense. I smoke and I pay for my own healthcare. How is that contributing to Illegals and the poor getting care and not paying for it. Just because I smoke doesn't make me a foot-stool for the government. I don't think I should have to pay for the healthcare of the "working poor". I already pay out the wazzou in taxes to feed, cloth, and provide housing for the poor. Next I suppose I'll be expected to pay to clean their homes too.
I'd imagine that a large percentage of poor people smoke, so in effect many of them will be paying for their own health care (silly in a way). Fact is, if you don't smoke this doesn't impact you anyway. I'm quite alright with this.

Perhaps we can solve two problems with one stone. In the chance that we eliminate smoking (thus getting rid of the subsidy), maybe our health problems won't be so prevalent, and our overall health costs will go down.

Why should I be footing the bill for people who make bad health choices? Better the cigarette smoker than me.
Time for Change

United States

#14 Feb 7, 2007
La Maze Johnson wrote:
<quoted text>
I'd imagine that a large percentage of poor people smoke, so in effect many of them will be paying for their own health care (silly in a way). Fact is, if you don't smoke this doesn't impact you anyway. I'm quite alright with this.
Perhaps we can solve two problems with one stone. In the chance that we eliminate smoking (thus getting rid of the subsidy), maybe our health problems won't be so prevalent, and our overall health costs will go down.
Why should I be footing the bill for people who make bad health choices? Better the cigarette smoker than me.
And I'm guessing you have no habits that increase your health risks? Or the fact that you are a woman and more prone to osteoperosis. Maybe we should tax women for contributing to that problem. Or add a tax to red meat for causing heart problems. Or add a tax to sugar for leading to diabetes. I know, as long as it doesn't affect you who cares, right. And until it affects you, you will be right there with the rest of the NEO-CONS and NEO-LIBS telling us how you are better than the rest of us therefore it's everyone's problem but your own. People like you make me think we should have Socialized Healthcare just so you can help pay for these people who you entitle everything. I can see your heart bleeding from here.
Steve

Carmel, IN

#15 Feb 7, 2007
La Maze Johnson wrote:
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Why should I be footing the bill for people who make bad health choices? Better the cigarette smoker than me.
They should outlaw fat people. They cost you more then smokers do.

http://www.healthaffairs.org/RWJ/Sturm31.pdf

“Small dose of common sense.”

Since: Dec 06

Indianapolis

#16 Feb 7, 2007
Time for Change wrote:
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And I'm guessing you have no habits that increase your health risks? Or the fact that you are a woman and more prone to osteoperosis. Maybe we should tax women for contributing to that problem. Or add a tax to red meat for causing heart problems. Or add a tax to sugar for leading to diabetes. I know, as long as it doesn't affect you who cares, right. And until it affects you, you will be right there with the rest of the NEO-CONS and NEO-LIBS telling us how you are better than the rest of us therefore it's everyone's problem but your own. People like you make me think we should have Socialized Healthcare just so you can help pay for these people who you entitle everything. I can see your heart bleeding from here.
On the contrary, I'm a strapping 28- year-old male who runs an average of 5 miles daily. I rarely have to visit the hospital for anything, yet my health care premium is close to $200 dollars a month!

Smoking is not only risky business for those who smoke, but it is a health risk for anyone who breathes it in. If smokers were confined to maybe their closets only, then perhaps I would have more of a problem with the government picking on the poor little smoker.

Unless we create some incentives for people who rarely visit the doctor or who practice a healthy lifestyle, then maybe we should put excise taxes on those other items you mentioned as well. Additionally, I don't have a problem with women paying in a little bit extra ;-)

“It's time to fix things...”

Since: Dec 06

Indianapolis, IN

#17 Feb 7, 2007
pal wrote:
Good Idea on cigarette tax hike but what if people quit smoking because of tax hike, then where would the money come from. Shouldnt there be a back up plan to gather funds from.
The whole gamble of the cigarette tax is that the authorities KNOW that it is addicting and difficult to quit. If the population hasn't quit so far with the taxes being raised and different restrictions they won't quit at all; it's almost guaranteed funding.

No-one is taking care of the lower classes; their employers have abandoned them and the ability to move up is difficult if not impossible. We may as well pay for them to be somewhat healthy so that they can continue to work and pay into the system we all hold dear.
Time for Change

United States

#18 Feb 7, 2007
La Maze Johnson wrote:
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On the contrary, I'm a strapping 28- year-old male who runs an average of 5 miles daily. I rarely have to visit the hospital for anything, yet my health care premium is close to $200 dollars a month!
Smoking is not only risky business for those who smoke, but it is a health risk for anyone who breathes it in. If smokers were confined to maybe their closets only, then perhaps I would have more of a problem with the government picking on the poor little smoker.
Unless we create some incentives for people who rarely visit the doctor or who practice a healthy lifestyle, then maybe we should put excise taxes on those other items you mentioned as well. Additionally, I don't have a problem with women paying in a little bit extra ;-)
Like I said: It doesn't affect you so it's OK with you. Don't worry they will find a way to get your money too. Oh they did that already today. 1% increase in local income taxes is on the way with no cut in property taxes. But that's for another thread. My point is that the government wants and needs your money, so they will find a way to get it.

28 and you run 5 miles a day. I bet you're hot. Wanna go out? JK (I'm married)
J Williams

United States

#19 Feb 7, 2007
The taxpayer is on the hook once again. With the obscene profits being made by the insurance companies, they should be on the hook. Too bad PAC money is the domain of the insurance companies and not taxpayers!
Kenn Gividen

Fort Wayne, IN

#20 Feb 7, 2007
Those insured under the program will be motivated to stay in poverty. To increase their income will risk losing their insurance.
Northern Lights

Mishawaka, IN

#21 Feb 7, 2007
Ok... I am the last person to normally agree with our Gov... but I really support this movement. Cigarettes are one of the products that seems to be free of the normal supply and demand rules for pricing. Why not take advantage of the situation? For some reason, tobacco companies can create a product that has NO useful properties, has been proven to be addictive, and has terrible health consequences... and instead of stopping this, our Federal Government chooses to subsidize the industry, while congresspeople collect fat checks for looking the other way. Raise the tax by $1.50, and you won't see much decline on demand, while raising millions for health care for the lowest paid workers in the state. Bravo. For once... I am completely in the Gov's camp. Now.. regarding those who think that obesity is the next issue to tackle... let's get this one done first... and then I will support that fight... including my own issues... Thanks, for once, Mitch.
Finally some help

Latonia, KY

#22 Feb 7, 2007
Yeah!!! This will finally help widows/widowers with children under the age of 18 get medical care!!!!!! This needed to be done a long long time ago.
Frances

Pocono Pines, PA

#23 Feb 7, 2007
The research on raising the cigarette tax is very clear: Some choose to quit. Others don't. There isn't one state whose revenue has gone down from the increase.

Raise the cigarette tax and offer health care to more people in our state!

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