Behrmans' comments don't cause mistrial

Full story: The Indianapolis Star

The defense attorney for John R, Myers II, the man accused of killing Jill Behrman, today claimed that statements by the victim's parents may have violated a court order and asked for a mistrial.

Comments (Page 2)

Showing posts 21 - 37 of37
|
next page >
Go to last page| Jump to page:
Todd

Indianapolis, IN

|
Report Abuse
|
Judge it!
|
#27
Oct 20, 2006
 
I don't know, but I would guess that the pregnancy "IDEA" not "CLAIM" comes from circumstantial evidence and not proof from the remains. What circumstantial evidence points to the idea that she was raped? I have not heard of any books about kidnapping a female bike rider and raping her being found at his place...what circumstantial evidence is there that she was raped???? Just because a lot of murders of this type include rape does not mean that this one did. What evidence, physical or circumstantial, was the comment based on?...the fact that a lot of murders involve rape? Is the only thing that would make them think rape the fact that she is a girl and she was shot in the middle of nowhere? At least the "IDEA" of pregnancy is "PHYSICALLY CIRCUMSTANTIAL" in that there was the physical presence of books on that topic at the victims home, whether it is true or not. A lot of things are being said about him that are also not known if they are true or not. What would you do if you looked like you might have done something, but really didn't, and have no knowledge of what really happened. It is your word against someone elses and I hope that you are an saint because everything is going to be twisted and you will look bad. You may be a hunter which would give you easy access to guns which may mean that you killed someone!...(last sentence not related to case necessarilly) It is this mindset that puts the wrong people even if they are bad, in jail and lets the true guilty people go free. Drop the evidence by a shady character and you may have a get out of jail free card.
Long time coming

Jeffersonville, IN

|
Report Abuse
|
Judge it!
|
#28
Oct 20, 2006
 
Todd wrote:
I don't know, but I would guess that the pregnancy "IDEA" not "CLAIM" comes from circumstantial evidence and not proof from the remains. What circumstantial evidence points to the idea that she was raped? I have not heard of any books about kidnapping a female bike rider and raping her being found at his place...what circumstantial evidence is there that she was raped???? Just because a lot of murders of this type include rape does not mean that this one did. What evidence, physical or circumstantial, was the comment based on?...the fact that a lot of murders involve rape? Is the only thing that would make them think rape the fact that she is a girl and she was shot in the middle of nowhere? At least the "IDEA" of pregnancy is "PHYSICALLY CIRCUMSTANTIAL" in that there was the physical presence of books on that topic at the victims home, whether it is true or not. A lot of things are being said about him that are also not known if they are true or not. What would you do if you looked like you might have done something, but really didn't, and have no knowledge of what really happened. It is your word against someone elses and I hope that you are an saint because everything is going to be twisted and you will look bad. You may be a hunter which would give you easy access to guns which may mean that you killed someone!...(last sentence not related to case necessarilly) It is this mindset that puts the wrong people even if they are bad, in jail and lets the true guilty people go free. Drop the evidence by a shady character and you may have a get out of jail free card.
The idea of rape comes from the position her body was found in...It was found face down. An expert testified that in a murder like this, where the victim is found naked and face down, shot in the back of the head at close range, there is a very good possibility that she was raped. No one is claiming with certainty that she was raped. The facts regarding John Meyers are that he has an extremely violent history. That does not make him guilty of this crime. But his prior history of extreme violence, his proximity, his initial evasiveness about his whereabouts and comments that he made to family members all make him a very legitimate suspect. The fact that Brian Hollars was at work when this happened kind of rules him out, even if he and Jill had some sort of relationship.
Mooresville mom

Indianapolis, IN

|
Report Abuse
|
Judge it!
|
#29
Oct 20, 2006
 
Sadly, there was no clothing found with her remains, suggesting that she was nude. This still leaves a lot of room for what-if's.
I AM IN NO WAY TRYING TO DEFAME MISS BEHRMAN, but what if she was Hollars' mistress. What if the wife came home and found her, put her and her bike in her vehicle, took her down the road and shot her? What if she was pregnant and Hollars (or someone else) was so threatened by this that he killed her?

What if she was with someone, not necessarily Hollars, who she was intimate with, who she trusted. What if that person decided to kill her?

What is she was an adventurous young woman, and found a nice, romantic spot in the woods where she and a possible love interest had a rendezvous gone wrong?

I have traveled those roads myself, and I am in moderately good physical condition. I have a very difficult time walking up and down those hills. I donít think I would last a minute up there on a bicycle. What if she was going on bike rides in that area to meet Hollars?
Todd wrote:
I don't know, but I would guess that the pregnancy "IDEA" not "CLAIM" comes from circumstantial evidence and not proof from the remains. What circumstantial evidence points to the idea that she was raped? I have not heard of any books about kidnapping a female bike rider and raping her being found at his place...what circumstantial evidence is there that she was raped???? Just because a lot of murders of this type include rape does not mean that this one did. What evidence, physical or circumstantial, was the comment based on?...the fact that a lot of murders involve rape? Is the only thing that would make them think rape the fact that she is a girl and she was shot in the middle of nowhere? At least the "IDEA" of pregnancy is "PHYSICALLY CIRCUMSTANTIAL" in that there was the physical presence of books on that topic at the victims home, whether it is true or not. A lot of things are being said about him that are also not known if they are true or not. What would you do if you looked like you might have done something, but really didn't, and have no knowledge of what really happened. It is your word against someone elses and I hope that you are an saint because everything is going to be twisted and you will look bad. You may be a hunter which would give you easy access to guns which may mean that you killed someone!...(last sentence not related to case necessarilly) It is this mindset that puts the wrong people even if they are bad, in jail and lets the true guilty people go free. Drop the evidence by a shady character and you may have a get out of jail free card.
Long time coming

Jeffersonville, IN

|
Report Abuse
|
Judge it!
|
#30
Oct 20, 2006
 
She was riding her bike in that area because it wasn't that far from her home, she was an extremely accomplished, powerful cyclist who enjoyed the challenge of those hills. She wouldn't have been riding out there to meet Hollars that day because he was at work. It seems logical that if they questioned him about an affair they would have also talked to his wife. There is no proof whatsoever that she had an affair with him.
Registered Nurse

United States

|
Report Abuse
|
Judge it!
|
#31
Oct 20, 2006
 
What exactly is the evidence? Acting strange is not evidence. Not being able to remember where you were the month before on a certain day at a certain time is not evidence. Living only a mile from the crime scene is not evidence.

Can anyone say exactly what the authorities have against the accused? Please spell it out for me.
LMWilliams

United States

|
Report Abuse
|
Judge it!
|
#32
Oct 20, 2006
 
I wore Jill's pin on my shoulder and posted her picture-poster in my local police department. I am states away and still both angered and saddened that the guilty party has enjoyed freedom this long. But, I know that justice will prevail. May peace finally come to Jill's family and friends when the perpetrator comes to justice.
wait a minute

Villa Park, IL

|
Report Abuse
|
Judge it!
|
#33
Oct 20, 2006
 
Here's another possibility. What if Wendy Owings confession was not totally false. She claimed that she and two others hit Jill while she was riding her bike. They then put her in the back of the truck and drove her to the salt creek. Upon arriving there they realized that she was not dead, so they wrapped her in plastic, stabbed her to death, and threw her in the creek. When investigators drained the creek, they indeed found a plastic tarp with knife slashes as well as a knife. But, that was a LIE? Just because her body wasn't there doesn't mean that someone might not have moved it fearing that Owings would confess under pressure. Was it just some wierd concidence that the tarp and knife were there just as she'd said.
Furthermore, why would Myers have gone to all the trouble of hiding the body in an area so remote that it was not found for years, yet, throw her bike along the road so close to his own front door?
Sorry, but, I've heard almost this exact same story in another murder case that was recently "solved" by the same investigator.
just a nobody

Bloomington, IN

|
Report Abuse
|
Judge it!
|
#34
Oct 20, 2006
 
ron beebe wrote:
we need to hear form some former girlfriends of this piece of feces. I'll bet this is not the first time he has done this. He is a dangerous predator and should be punished to the full extent ... and beyond
well if they did maybe they should look in marion county in the early 90s
eee

United States

|
Report Abuse
|
Judge it!
|
#35
Oct 20, 2006
 
Patrick Baker is a good person who comes from a great family. What happende to Jill Behrman is whorrible, but this is America and everyone is entitled to a fair trial and to an adequate defense.

The constitution still matters even for alleged murderers like this.
hotrod

AOL

|
Report Abuse
|
Judge it!
|
#36
Oct 20, 2006
 
I don't understand how Baker get's by with all this stuff. He opens mouth and inserts foot. I sure hope that they have a post comment on Bakers next trial. He is defending a baby killer. The dna says the guy did it. The persons hand prints were on the babies mouth from suffocation. I don't want to take anything from this trial but this Baker guy is a --------
wait a minute

Villa Park, IL

|
Report Abuse
|
Judge it!
|
#37
Oct 20, 2006
 
DNA evidence is only as honest as the people responsible for collecting it. It looks to me like Baker's actually working FOR his client. Maybe, if more attorneys took this stance, we'd have fewer innocent people in our prisons.
TTTT

Louisville, KY

|
Report Abuse
|
Judge it!
|
#38
Oct 20, 2006
 
You also have to remember that all of this info is coming from the prosecutions witnesses. For those that are outraged that the defense attorney has brought up pregnancy, but has offered no proof at this point...wait until after the defense calls their witnesses before you make judgement.
DavidLutherPayne

Scottsburg, IN

|
Report Abuse
|
Judge it!
|
#39
Oct 20, 2006
 
Sadly, It is somewhat evident that substantial evidence to the killer to Jill Behrman has not been found. From the beginning this case led by FBI and Local Police has been taking out and putting in information that makes a verdict of Guilty for this defendant to seem unlikely. It has become an event of interest with guilt based on probabilities and circumstancial evidence. Since John Meyers has been a suspect from the start certainly some hard evidence should have been obtained.
Eric

Florence, KY

|
Report Abuse
|
Judge it!
|
#40
Oct 20, 2006
 
Long time coming wrote:
<quoted text>
The idea of rape comes from the position her body was found in...It was found face down. An expert testified that in a murder like this, where the victim is found naked and face down, shot in the back of the head at close range, there is a very good possibility that she was raped. No one is claiming with certainty that she was raped. The facts regarding John Meyers are that he has an extremely violent history. That does not make him guilty of this crime. But his prior history of extreme violence, his proximity, his initial evasiveness about his whereabouts and comments that he made to family members all make him a very legitimate suspect. The fact that Brian Hollars was at work when this happened kind of rules him out, even if he and Jill had some sort of relationship.
What is his history of "extreme violence"? I have not or don't recall reading anything about that.
Community

United States

|
Report Abuse
|
Judge it!
|
#41
Oct 23, 2006
 
Eric wrote:
<quoted text>
What is his history of "extreme violence"? I have not or don't recall reading anything about that.
He locked his ex-girlfriend in his trailer, took her clothes from her, beat the h#ll out of her, drug her around through broken glass, raped her. He also abused the mother of his daughter and threatened to kill her if she attempted to interfere with their custody "arrangement." His parents took a restraining order out against him shortly before his father passed away because he was angry that they would not watch his daughter. He battered his dying father, his mother and both of his brothers that day. He also abused his grandmother verbally and threatened her with physical violence.
Concerned

Carmel, IN

|
Report Abuse
|
Judge it!
|
#42
Oct 23, 2006
 
K-man wrote:
<quoted text> I'm very concerned that an innocent person may be imprisoned for a crime they didn't commit. The fact remains that in todays judicial system anyone arrested for a crime no matter how big or small,they are treated as though theey are guilty until proven innocent. I know that this really galls my backside but we the people of these United States have let it happen. Before you vote the next time , think long and hard about who you want representing YOUR ideals of JUSTICE.
and that really makes me wonder. if you can't afford the best defense that you're just "up the creek with out a paddle".
misstee

United States

|
Report Abuse
|
Judge it!
|
#43
Oct 25, 2006
 
Concerned wrote:
<quoted text>
and that really makes me wonder. if you can't afford the best defense that you're just "up the creek with out a paddle".
Exactly concerned. There are no millionaires on death row.

Tell me when this thread is updated: (Registration is not required)

Add to my Tracker Send me an email

Showing posts 21 - 37 of37
|
next page >
Go to last page| Jump to page:
Type in your comments below
Name
(appears on your post)
Comments
Characters left: 4000
Type the numbers you see in the image on the right:

Please note by clicking on "Post Comment" you acknowledge that you have read the Terms of Service and the comment you are posting is in compliance with such terms. Be polite. Inappropriate posts may be removed by the moderator. Send us your feedback.

•••
•••
•••
•••

Ellettsville Jobs

•••
Enter and win $5000
•••
•••

Ellettsville People Search

Addresses and phone numbers for FREE

•••

Ellettsville News, Events & Info

Click for news, events and info in Ellettsville
•••

Personal Finance

Mortgages [ See current mortgage rates ]
•••