Road-project blitz faces rising costs

Road-project blitz faces rising costs

There are 25 comments on the The Indianapolis Star story from Mar 26, 2007, titled Road-project blitz faces rising costs. In it, The Indianapolis Star reports that:

A year after state lawmakers privatized the Indiana Toll Road, the proceeds continue to earn interest at a rate of about $6 per second.

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Sammy

Carmel, IN

#1 Mar 26, 2007
Well, what do you know, two Democrats are trying to spend the toll road money already. What a shock. Yeah, let's put a Democrat back in the Governor's mansion. Good idea. Then we can kiss the budget surplus bye bye and be done with pretending that anything has changed in Indiana's good ol' boy system.

Hey, let's make Patrick Bauer the Governor! He's a real class act.*snicker* And hey, while we're at it, why not bring back the KKK and let them run things--like they used to. If we're gonna go backwards, might as well go all the way!
Jim

Edison, NJ

#3 Mar 26, 2007
I am going to make a prediction. By the time all of the money for leasing the Indiana Toll Road is spent by our legislators on every pork barrell project they can find and Mitch has packed his carpetbag heading for D.C. we will be stuck with an overpriced toll fee to a public highway. Then the Spanish owned company will come with lobbyists in hand wanting funding for repairs and upgrades from the Legislature to fix a deteriorating highway. And they will give it to them.
Wheaties

Indianapolis, IN

#4 Mar 26, 2007
This is B.S. They know we have the money for re-building Indiana roads and now everyone wants to get into our pocket books buy saying materials are costing more. Anyone who is in any kind of business always has a budget and a estimate before doing a job.

Something is wrong with picture and it needs to be fixed fast before we see 3.8 billion disapear like the windfall money the state was suppose to desperse
to us the TAXPAYER before the legislators found somewhere to spend it all......
Bud Barton

Albion, IN

#5 Mar 26, 2007
Well now maybe people will wake up and see just how old DAD "DUMB A_s Daniel's" and our State Lawmackers have put it to us again.
It's like you go to a Casino and hit the slots a couple of times and you have more than you started out with but insted of quiting you keep trying for the big pot and end up loosing it all
And these people just voted themselves a raise.
Just how crooked is out State Govorment?
Jeff

Torrance, CA

#6 Mar 26, 2007
Just another reason we should not let Mitch cram these ideas down our throats. Obviously not enough planning and research went into this effort before it was rushed through mitchs buddy club. This needs another look, this time by someone that will look at more than mitchs legacy.
peanut gallery

United States

#7 Mar 26, 2007
PPP. Public Private Plundering. Modern day feudalism. Give Nobility Partners 75 years of control of the peoples assets then let our kids wonder why they can't vote the profiteers out of office. It's because we allowed our leaders to sale (officially lease) our assets to Spanish royalty and Aussie piracy. The first time there was ice on the toll road, nary a salt truck was to be found. So much for service over profit. It's just some major bad, bad moves. Thanks Major Moves Royal Pirate Matey's.

“"THIS IS NOT A TEST!"”

Since: Dec 06

Indianapolis, IN

#8 Mar 26, 2007
Beech Grove has long been a poor cousin to Indianapolis. Now Beech Grove is trying to burnish, brighten, & buff up its image. One of the most important and most costly will be the fixing up and widening of Emerson Avenue, from Churchman Avenue to Southport Road. I hope that a small part of the Major Moves money can be put aside for us. We aARE part of Indiana, after all.
Roads_suck

Lexington, KY

#9 Mar 26, 2007
Put the money down toward a suburban commuter rail system. Asphalt and concrete only lasts so long before you have to tear it all up and repave. Whereas a monorail type system only requires minimal maintenance in comparison to roads. Wake up and use your Hoosier common sense.
LessNewRoads

Tipton, IN

#10 Mar 26, 2007
...light rail...

Building more roads only attracts more cars, and more maintenance cost.
New Palasteen Farmboy

Schiller Park, IL

#11 Mar 26, 2007
Roads_suck wrote:
Put the money down toward a suburban commuter rail system. Asphalt and concrete only lasts so long before you have to tear it all up and repave. Whereas a monorail type system only requires minimal maintenance in comparison to roads. Wake up and use your Hoosier common sense.
I agree. Get those bike riding yuppies off the Monon and make it monorail all the way to President Brainerd's town center.....
individual

San Jose, CA

#12 Mar 26, 2007
Typical of those in government. They can't manage a one-car funeral procession successsfully. In the rush to wastefully spend every dime they get their hands on, don't forget all those bureaucrats who've been added to payroll. Another burden on taxpayers. Some idiots are even clamoring for socialists' dream transportation: mass transit in the form of light rail. More control over the citizens. The best use of the monies is to simply return to the taxpayers before it's wastefully spent.
Paula

Marysville, OH

#13 Mar 26, 2007
I DON'T EVEN WANT TO HEAR THIS! SURPRISE SEE THEY CAN'T GET ENOUGH!
YOU BETTER LEARN TO LIVE AND ADJUST WITHIN YOUR BUDGET. YOU CAN'T KEEP THIS UP. DID YOU THINK THE PEOPLE PROVIDING THE SERVICE TO YOU WASN'T GOING TO SEE THEY HAD A CASH COW!
Deadeye

Burnsville, MN

#16 Mar 26, 2007
Bud Barton wrote:
Well now maybe people will wake up and see just how old DAD "DUMB A_s Daniel's" and our State Lawmackers have put it to us again.
It's like you go to a Casino and hit the slots a couple of times and you have more than you started out with but insted of quiting you keep trying for the big pot and end up loosing it all
And these people just voted themselves a raise.
Just how crooked is out State Govorment?
Bud - without Major Moves, we wouldn't be reading about how the costs of steel, asphalt, etcetera is going to increase the expense of finishing roads like the Heartland highway, building bridges, I 69. And, we wouldn't be concerned about the interest we are getting on the money on deposit.

We would still be servicing the toll road debt.....

“Finally Settled in Lawrence”

Since: Mar 07

Lawrence the City not Township

#17 Mar 26, 2007
KEEP YOUR DURTY PAWS OFF THAT MONEY!!! Local roads are for local government to address. Raise your taxes if you want to plant some trees along the roadway. It's not a state issue if Main Street is a dirt road. It's called poor leadership on the local level that keeps you from seeing your city and county roads from repair. You may want to rethink continuing voting those suckers in.
American

Jeffersonville, OH

#18 Mar 26, 2007
Weak argument, Deadeye.

We were only servicing Toll Road debt because the State did nothing to retire it.
Sean G

Indianapolis, IN

#19 Mar 26, 2007
Yes, YES! Let's stop building new roads and start work towards a commuter rail system. We should be thinking long term with this toll road lease money, which will keep toll fees out of the State's pocket for 75 years. Rational long term thinking does not favor the continued catering to the car culture we have here in central Indiana.
Northern Lights

Mishawaka, IN

#20 Mar 26, 2007
What I cannot believe is that ANYBODY is surprised that the guy who had the forsight to predict the cost of the Iraq War could not possibly exceed 60 Billion... of which most would be covered by Iraq's oil production... was wrong about the cost of future road construction products... Fool us once... shame on him... Fool us twice... shame on us... We got the government we deserved... We refused to stand up and question his numbers... now they are going to be way off... By the time this is over... they will have paved a couple of roads... and not much else... and all the money will be gone... Some of us tried to warn you all... but we were not forward thinkers like our beloved governor... I may be a hoosier... but his numbers never added up.
Fed up

Scottsdale, AZ

#21 Mar 26, 2007
Jeff wrote:
Just another reason we should not let Mitch cram these ideas down our throats. Obviously not enough planning and research went into this effort before it was rushed through mitchs buddy club. This needs another look, this time by someone that will look at more than mitchs legacy.
So rising fuel and building supplies costs is Mitch's fault, too? Maybe you should remember that without Mitch's vision, imagination, and outside-the-box thinking, all of these projects wouldn't be paid for in advance. I'm tired of Mitch getting blamed for everything. Why don't you look at all of the growth and opportunity coming Indiana's way, and leave your partisan ideals out of it? What next? Are you going to blame Mitch for the noise and dust coming from the Honda plant's construction site? Growth requires leaders and visionarys, and we are blessed to have Mitch Daniels as our governor.
Road Warrior

United States

#22 Mar 26, 2007
Roads_suck wrote:
Put the money down toward a suburban commuter rail system. Asphalt and concrete only lasts so long before you have to tear it all up and repave. Whereas a monorail type system only requires minimal maintenance in comparison to roads. Wake up and use your Hoosier common sense.
Amen, brother or sister!! Indiana's neighbors are well along with planning and financing high speed light rail service linking their major cities. Travel along the interstates and what do you see? Wide medians, which could easily be converted to highspeed monorail systems that could link Indianapolis and its surrounding cities and towns with Louisville, Cincinnati, Chicago, Detroit, Evansville, etc. If these were used there would be no need for the destruction of farm land and homesites to secure right-of-way. The government already owns the medians.

The "Major Moves" project has always been a Mitch Daniel give-away, pure and simple. First, against the majority of Hoosiers' wishes, Daniels and Gonzo, Inc., sell the Toll Road to a foreign company without competitive bidding.(Millions for their lawyer friends) Then, they give management of the monies collected to their financial partners, and are 'hoping' for a return of 5.25%.(Perhaps they should talk to my 8 year old niece-- She found several banks offering more than that on time deposits.

Sixty years ago, Indianapolis boasted an interurban rail service, daily passenger train service leaving from downtown to dozens of cities and towns, trackless and track-trolley systems. Now, we have a failing bus system, a choked and decrepit Interstate Highway system, and governmental leaders who are looking forward to 1958 for the answers to transporation problems.
Jeff

Indianapolis, IN

#23 Mar 26, 2007
I understand why people want to argue for light rail or other forms of mass transit in Indianapolis, but I don't think it is truly a viable option by itself. In a city like Chicago, which is long and narrow, trains work well. In a square city like Indianapolis, though, where are you going to run all the spokes that lead to the center?

Building rail lines in the medians of current expressways is an idea, but does not serve a wide area of Marion County. Rail lines elsewhere would require land at much more cost than Daniel's Commerce Connector would have been (and we saw how popular that was). Add in the inevitable NIMBY (Not In My Back Yard) crowd, and light rail stands almost no chance of being built in this city.

Also, who is going to build and run the light rail lines? If the city or state runs it, we will see the same incompetence that we see in Metro/IndyGo and saw in the Indiana Toll Road. If we let a private business do it, they will be excoriated by the public just like the toll road deal was.

There is not winning solution here, only lots of complaining by the public regardless of what gets built or not built.

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