Dems offer their own tax plan

Dems offer their own tax plan

There are 79 comments on the The Indianapolis Star story from Mar 7, 2008, titled Dems offer their own tax plan. In it, The Indianapolis Star reports that:

Indiana House Democrats touted a property tax relief proposal Friday as a compromise that would help homeowners while being cautious about state obligations during a possible recession.

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Gene

Chicago, IL

#63 Mar 8, 2008
The problem is no one is listening to the BIPARTISAN COMMISSION REPORT! Bauer and Bosma are playing whose schlong is bigger! It is time to get all of these jack legs out of office! I am all in favor of a peoples march on the state house!
Karen

United States

#64 Mar 8, 2008
TO ALL LIBERALS and WARREN BUFFET--

Please feel free to quit whining about how much I pay in taxes. If YOU think you don't pay enough, feel free to give your money away. It's called charity! But don't put a gun to my head and call it morally superior.
William Hord

Lafayette, IN

#65 Mar 8, 2008
All politicans like property taxes. They have a steady income all the time, even when the economy gets bad. They tell us to save up for rainy days, but they never have rainy days. They just raise our taxes. When the economy gets bad I have to tighten up and spend less, do less. I think the local governments should feel the pinch also. All I can see that the State is trying to do is replace one tax with others taxes.

Since: Nov 07

Indianapolis, IN

#66 Mar 8, 2008
There is no way that the republicans are stupid enough to think that they could hold a press conference about their property tax bill and that the democrats led by Pat Bauer would not retaliate. I don't think the republicans wanted their bill to pass or they woulnd't have held the press conference.

The dems have lost whatever intentions they had for making meaningful changes to the property tax system to help homeowners and have been swayed by their local level counterparts to watch out for their interests more than the interests of the homeowner. They think that the people have lost enough interest that they aren't paying attention to the details and are as caught up in the game of democrats vs republicans as they are.

They are all just playing games and hoping they can drag this out and not do anything and blame the impass on the other side.
Fruits of labor

Panama City, FL

#67 Mar 8, 2008
big BROTHER wrote:
Warren buffet is being honest as a rich man. 90% of the tax burden is held by the middle class and if my the republicans i elected, get their way the gap between the rich and the rest of us gets wider they said if we got rid of inventory tax in indiana it would stimulate the state economy and boost wages but the state lost billions of tax money and the burden fell on us. where is our cost of living increases?I don't know anyone who got a raise after that do you? if they get rid of property taxes all together? Think about it. in indiana the property tax is set up how much the property is worth. they pay at nearly the same rate as us per their property value.luckily i don't have a five million dollar home to pay all of that tax on, but come on do you think they actualy pay the same rate of taxes on property as us poor folks . they would love it if the tax was gone on homes and the bizz.the state lost billions from inventory taxes where do you think they will get the money to run the state again? not the rich they can afford to shop out of state and avoid the sales taxes that they say they will use to replace the property taxes with.I am happy if they cap the tax at three percent rater than let the rich off the hook entirely,just for us to pick up the tab again.
You obviously do not have a job or you would know better than to spout this garbage. Among other things, yes, all residential property within a given taxing district is taxed at the same rate.
Fruits of labor

Panama City, FL

#68 Mar 8, 2008
sativa friend wrote:
that dont work..we need higher taxes on the rich and to tax big business and if they dont like it go to mexico that is what NAFTA is for, danged blood thirsty repugs!<quoted text>
You are either being sarcastic or you are one of the growing number of non-working but able bodied parasites who suffers from the notion that people who work owe you a living.
Fruits of labor

Panama City, FL

#69 Mar 8, 2008
big BROTHER wrote:
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I make alot of money now but not that many years ago i didn't, I still feel the way did then that rich get to much privelages if you are saying i suffer from envy who are you. if you say I envy have the courage to tell these people how much tax loop holes you have and how much you actually pay per dollar earned. I dont pay as much now that I have money the laws that passed in indiana afforded me this.I outed my self for having money but think like I was three years ago broke!!!! what do you do that any of us should envy? and why don't think that evryone should pay the bills and that the middle class should keep paying the majority of the countries debt?thats all i am saying. what is your angle?
I believe you are full of crap. Based on your post, you are all but illiterate.
So Wrong

Fort Wayne, IN

#70 Mar 8, 2008
usck wrote:
barry fox, isn't the #1 public enemy in the legislator, pat bauer, from your area? you people in the north have been sending him down here for over 30 years. now you want to complain about everyone else. clean up your own backyard first. And, Jill, Jim, or Eric is not the answer.what is their plan? I haven't heard any suggestions from them, only complaining like yours. Mitch is the first Gov in 30 years to try to fix this thing. If he can't get it done it will be because of the litte guy from up north.
You're So wrong. Pat Bauer is leading the charge against Mitch Daniels' "Let's help my friends in business and throw a bone to the little guy" solution. Let's not be picking on Pat Bauer just because it's popular. Let's give credit to the Democrats for putting the burden where it should be.
Bosma

Fort Wayne, IN

#71 Mar 8, 2008
Gene wrote:
The problem is no one is listening to the BIPARTISAN COMMISSION REPORT! Bauer and Bosma are playing whose schlong is bigger! It is time to get all of these jack legs out of office! I am all in favor of a peoples march on the state house!
If you want to see if Bosma's is bigger, just check out his car in the parking lot where he'll be with the lates intern.

Since: Jan 08

smalltown IN

#72 Mar 8, 2008
sense is not common wrote:
The ignorance and fervor of the plebes has been, is, and will be the driving force behind the left.
Propoganda is a fertile bed in which the seeds of opinion grow, nurtured by buzz words and false based truisms and passionate discourse.
Those gnarled opinions grow into beliefs and then translate into misplaced votes which sharpen the sword that the lower class joyously fall upon time and time again. The lemmings would be proud.
So please: strike a few weeks more, vote for the one who buries the american dream in an ever increasingly complex government, then compain some more about the monster that you raised when it eats your town alive.
Love it! Very well said sense, poignant dose of reality.
Dan of Seymour

Elmwood Park, IL

#73 Mar 8, 2008
Pat Bauer is an obstructionist, and nothing more wortwhile than that. I don't say that because it's popular. I say it because I can read and understand what his brand of partisan politics does to state government. The lease of the tollroad was absolutely the right thing to do, for example. We have infrastructure improvment projects all over this state now paid for with just the interest from the initial lease payment. Do you think we wouldv'e been able to afford it otherwise? How is Daniels "helping his friends in business"? When Indiana businesses prosper, so do Indiana residents. Daniels has brought good jobs to the state, and will bring more if re-elected. Left to Bauer and his crowd, we'd all be pecking .hi. with the chickens.
Idiotry

Bloomington, IN

#74 Mar 8, 2008
PAT BAUER NEEDS TO GO AWAY, TOOOOOO LONG A BUREAUCRAT!~
Alan

Marysville, OH

#75 Mar 8, 2008
I lived in socialist Germany for 6 years. The socialism in Europe is a failed experiment as it encourages absolutely no risk taking. Once you have a career whether it be as a lawyer or baker, it's virtually impossible to change. Socialism in Europe will collapse in the next 10-15 years as taxes are some of the highest in the world and it cannot sustain itself. Most of the new businesses started by Germans are now based in China or elsewhere because of the high taxes in Germany. Our system is headed down this failed experimental road but will take longer to collapse. These optinions are not mine, but those of Germans who are older than 55 and seen what's happening in Deutschland.
big BROTHER wrote:
<quoted text>
Socialism and communism are two different isms. all of the stable countries in the world are socialist, eg germany,sweden, norway, denmark, switzerland,italy,france,list goes on they are more a form of elected democracy but has checks and ballances to say where their money goes. they flat out DO NOT have the the right to use the countries retiremant money to fund a war.And they would not think of it in other countries.and they have 100%covered health care. they don't have high drug prices, over the top medical costs or bad education. they pay alot in taxes but it is money well spent there. I was in germany and the city of Stugart told Porcshe and VW that if they wanted to expand their plant they needed to run their steam pipes under the city and use it to thaw snow fall. they don't kiss but to companies and give them tax breaks and incentives to move there they tell them they have to do this or that to do bizz there.
lafguy60

Cincinnati, OH

#76 Mar 8, 2008
Well at least your name here is truthful about your post which is "So Wrong". The rug is only using a ploy to try to buy the votes of those that vote for the DumbOCrats. Read the proposal that Bauer is supporting - it amounts to a shift of the burden from the homeowner to rental/commercial property. And, if you think that that proposal will pass through the courts you are real sadly mistaken.
So Wrong wrote:
<quoted text>
You're So wrong. Pat Bauer is leading the charge against Mitch Daniels' "Let's help my friends in business and throw a bone to the little guy" solution. Let's not be picking on Pat Bauer just because it's popular. Let's give credit to the Democrats for putting the burden where it should be.
Idiot Identifier

Leesburg, IN

#77 Mar 8, 2008
How creative to come up with a new proposal the day they abandon one of the most idiotic ideas to come about in years. The democrats are so creative, One week to go and they have a new idea du jour. What a bunch of idiots. Wonder what they'll come up with Wed when this one is shown to not work. The brains behind the dems will have at least 2 more great ideas before the week is out. Tell me again why they had the dog and pony show all over the state to listen to the people. The dems will not let property taxes be cut because it may slow down the spending for schools, and we all know the ISTA owns Pat and his lemmings.
CPA

United States

#78 Mar 9, 2008
of course the dems don't want caps on everything, they won't be able to tax and spend us into oblivion.

Since: Jan 08

Carlisle, PA

#79 Mar 9, 2008
Now is the time to take a stand and do what is right. We have heard about the state of the economy. We have heard fro the affluent that they are undertaxed and we have heard the cries from the middle class,' that we are mad as hell and we will not take it any more', and we see the oppression of our poor who cannot take it anymore.

What is the solution, Tax Overhaul! It is now time for a flat tax, where everybody pays their fair share. A Flat tax based on goods and services purchased is the most equatible way to raise money for the necessary services that a community actually needs to maintain and grow a healthy and prosperous community.

It is time to stop the wasteful spending , of taxpayers hardearned money, to satsify somebody wimsical pet project, paying for votes to keep one's elected office, as well all the wasted spending. It is time to get back to basics. We can no longer afford to bail out companies for their greed. We can no longer afford to employee elected representatives who cannot be elected n their own merits. We cannot afford to look to pie in the sky ideas that cannot float a boat!

It is time, for all of us to STOP "talking" and stand up and START "Walking"!

If you think you are hurting now...tomorrow is but a few hours away and then, like today, we will be found to say,' I should have done something before'?

Since: Oct 07

Brownsburg, IN

#80 Mar 11, 2008
Captured Angel wrote:
Now is the time to take a stand and do what is right. We have heard about the state of the economy. We have heard fro the affluent that they are undertaxed and we have heard the cries from the middle class,' that we are mad as hell and we will not take it any more', and we see the oppression of our poor who cannot take it anymore.
What is the solution, Tax Overhaul! It is now time for a flat tax, where everybody pays their fair share. A Flat tax based on goods and services purchased is the most equatible way to raise money for the necessary services that a community actually needs to maintain and grow a healthy and prosperous community.
It is time to stop the wasteful spending , of taxpayers hardearned money, to satsify somebody wimsical pet project, paying for votes to keep one's elected office, as well all the wasted spending. It is time to get back to basics. We can no longer afford to bail out companies for their greed. We can no longer afford to employee elected representatives who cannot be elected n their own merits. We cannot afford to look to pie in the sky ideas that cannot float a boat!
It is time, for all of us to STOP "talking" and stand up and START "Walking"!
If you think you are hurting now...tomorrow is but a few hours away and then, like today, we will be found to say,' I should have done something before'?
Our tax system started as a flat tax, but the American voters have let politians produce 16,000 different amendments to it in the course of 25 years. Now the top wage earners in our country pay most federal income taxes while the bottom 50% only pay 3%. Our tax code is now 60,000 pages long.

You can go look at the facts on the IRS webpage. Please note, under Bush, top wage earners have had their taxes go up in the last 8 years.

The only true tax system that would bring 13 Trillion dollars to our 17 Trillion dollar GDP is the Fair Tax. Everyone would bring home their paycheck and taxes would be based on consumption. Prices would stay the same and go down, American jobs would explode within the first year and continue to grow. You could invest and no intrusion from the govt.

This study has been going on since 1995 and $22 million in private money used to study it. Economists from all politcal backgrounds support it.
Most importantly, it would be the biggest transfer of power from the govt. to the people of the republics.
gary

AOL

#81 Mar 12, 2008
lets get the job done on property taxes and stop grandstanding,do the job if you can or get out of the job,let someone take your place who can. it may not really matter if you do not fix the problem,taxpayers will do it for you,soon,very soon

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