Dems offer their own tax plan

Dems offer their own tax plan

There are 79 comments on the The Indianapolis Star story from Mar 7, 2008, titled Dems offer their own tax plan. In it, The Indianapolis Star reports that:

Indiana House Democrats touted a property tax relief proposal Friday as a compromise that would help homeowners while being cautious about state obligations during a possible recession.

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Barry Fox Elkhart IN

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#1 Mar 8, 2008
Anybody who votes to raise taxes in this down turn, should be voted out of office, period...

Cutting, income taxes, elimating deductions, lowering sales tax from 6% to 5%, spreading the base is the answer.

Indiana does not need and should not be subjected to Governor Daniels' or anyone elses property tax plan that calls for tax increases in sales and income tax.

These plans that are being floated to the public lack true reform. The 1, 2, 3 cap plans will wind up in court and they know this.

Time is running short, and voters in this state have had it up to their neck and ready to vote against anybody republican, or democrat that jabs them one more time...

1. Gas is at 3 dollars plus, headed to $4.00 a gallon.
2. Milk,$3.79 a gallon or more...
3. 63,000 jobs lost in Febuary
4. 20,000 plus lost in January
5. The stock market is being rocked.
6. Warren Buffet says he should be paying a higher tax rate due to his income level... He pays at a lower level then his employees.
7. The current property tax plans being floated offer larger breaks to the better off.
8. Local government, towns, cities, and counties are throwing red flags all over the place as to the impact to be able to deliver local services.
9. Choice at the local level, as well as finance, is in peril for school districts.
10. What applies at the local level should appy at the state level.
11... I could go on with another list of 10...

What is it, and why aren't our representives and senators in Indianapolis getting it like so many of us average Hoosiers?

Barry Fox
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Ditch Mitch Daniels Now

Ochlocknee, GA

#2 Mar 8, 2008
Let's all vote him out this fall.
Barry Fox Elkhart IN

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#3 Mar 8, 2008
One other thing...

Is it time for us to think in terms of a million or 2 million person march from the circle to the State House?

Maybe the cities and towns could go together to put together transportation for a day in Indianapolis, or even the school districts that own their own buses?

Time is getting short and it appears every tax payer in Indiana is about to once again have their taxes raised on the state level, thanks to Governor Daniels, and forced rasies at the local level...

Just a thought... Maybe Jill, Jim, or Eric could put this together.

Barry Fox
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sealionindy

United States

#4 Mar 8, 2008
Barry Fox Elkhart IN wrote:
Anybody who votes to raise taxes in this down turn, should be voted out of office, period...
Cutting, income taxes, elimating deductions, lowering sales tax from 6% to 5%, spreading the base is the answer.
Indiana does not need and should not be subjected to Governor Daniels' or anyone elses property tax plan that calls for tax increases in sales and income tax.
These plans that are being floated to the public lack true reform. The 1, 2, 3 cap plans will wind up in court and they know this.
Time is running short, and voters in this state have had it up to their neck and ready to vote against anybody republican, or democrat that jabs them one more time...
1. Gas is at 3 dollars plus, headed to $4.00 a gallon.
2. Milk,$3.79 a gallon or more...
3. 63,000 jobs lost in Febuary
4. 20,000 plus lost in January
5. The stock market is being rocked.
6. Warren Buffet says he should be paying a higher tax rate due to his income level... He pays at a lower level then his employees.
7. The current property tax plans being floated offer larger breaks to the better off.
8. Local government, towns, cities, and counties are throwing red flags all over the place as to the impact to be able to deliver local services.
9. Choice at the local level, as well as finance, is in peril for school districts.
10. What applies at the local level should appy at the state level.
11... I could go on with another list of 10...
What is it, and why aren't our representives and senators in Indianapolis getting it like so many of us average Hoosiers?
Barry Fox
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Many things you list are due to high oil prices or NAFTA. Maybe the senators and congresspeople can think more locally?
Barry Fox Elkhart IN

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#5 Mar 8, 2008
Good point......bf
ditch mitch

Waunakee, WI

#6 Mar 8, 2008
"A slow economy for Hoosier families is not time for us to be faint of heart,"

Where is his head?

Raise taxes and take away mor income?

Tax and spend..

Where oh where are the spending cuts Mitch's Lt. Govenor forgot to vote on.

Mitch is such an idiot.

He is a thief and tells tall tales ...
WalkingWounded

United States

#7 Mar 8, 2008
The best way to insure that a politition will become dishonest is to elect them to more than one term.
Dennis_Daviess Co

United States

#8 Mar 8, 2008
If we don't see reductions in property taxes this year then Alabama is looking real good to me. Besides my daughter has been wanting me to move there for a long time now. Her and her husband own two homes there and pay less in property taxes on them both compared to what I pay on my home. And the sad part about it is those two homes cost way more than my does. They are both over $100,000.00 a peace. And mine is below $40,000.00. Go figure. Indiana is out of this world as far as property taxes go. You can live cheaper in any other state than you can in this one. Maybe if we all packed up and moved we could see how they would make it with just the politicians living in this state by their selves. It wouldn't be long they would be closing down the whole state for lack of money and people. I wonder if that is what they are trying to do. It makes a person wonder. I can see it now "A State With No People"
usck

Marysville, OH

#9 Mar 8, 2008
barry fox, isn't the #1 public enemy in the legislator, pat bauer, from your area? you people in the north have been sending him down here for over 30 years. now you want to complain about everyone else. clean up your own backyard first. And, Jill, Jim, or Eric is not the answer.what is their plan? I haven't heard any suggestions from them, only complaining like yours. Mitch is the first Gov in 30 years to try to fix this thing. If he can't get it done it will be because of the litte guy from up north.
Jim

Marysville, OH

#11 Mar 8, 2008
Here's a novel thought:

Throw every incumbent out of office. I'd rather see some fresh new faces that haven't been corrupted by being on the public dole. Let's start with Bauer and Daniels -- a non partisan effort!
Barry Fox Elkhart IN

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#12 Mar 8, 2008
So let me get this right / straight usck, you want a 1% increase in sales tax, plus a local income tax to off-set property tax? And, by the way Rep. Bauer is not my representive... He is over in St. Joe county, but is rasing some important points... It shouldn't always be all about all the fat cats once again getting all the breaks and is trying to add some relief for the fixed income and low income tax payers. Do you find that to be a problem? bf
Dean

Fishers, IN

#13 Mar 8, 2008
Pat Bauer must go !!
Fruits of labor

Panama City, FL

#14 Mar 8, 2008
Barry Fox Elkhart IN wrote:
So let me get this right / straight usck, you want a 1% increase in sales tax, plus a local income tax to off-set property tax? And, by the way Rep. Bauer is not my representive... He is over in St. Joe county, but is rasing some important points... It shouldn't always be all about all the fat cats once again getting all the breaks and is trying to add some relief for the fixed income and low income tax payers. Do you find that to be a problem? bf
Brands of socialism and communism have failed every where they have been tried because those systems take away incentives to be productive. It never ceases to amaze me how people who are paying little or no taxes complain about how much in absolute dollars those that are paying the majority of taxes save when there is a tax cut. The real "fat cats" are the ones who sit on their duffs and collect welfare benefits paid for by tax dollars extracted from working folks. Moreover, the majority of people who earn higher salaries do so because they spent the time and incurred debt to get a higher education and work more than full time, and those people are entitled to the fruits of their labor.
big BROTHER

Indianapolis, IN

#15 Mar 8, 2008
sealionindy wrote:
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Many things you list are due to high oil prices or NAFTA. Maybe the senators and congresspeople can think more locally?
This country needs a regulitory commision for the oil companies like the utilitiy companies have that regulate how much they can change the prices and how often. If they keep electing the guys with big oil in their pockets nothing will change. It takes 2 years for crude to become gas or some rediculous long time but the prices change imediately
medicineman

Fort Myers, FL

#16 Mar 8, 2008
Let's hold the election in March and not wait until November!! It's time to march on the statehouse before next Friday!!
Fruits of labor

Panama City, FL

#18 Mar 8, 2008
Barry Fox Elkhart IN wrote:
Anybody who votes to raise taxes in this down turn, should be voted out of office, period...
1. Warren Buffet is entitled to his opinion. If he feels he is not being sufficiently taxed and wants to donate, that's his business. However, very few people are in his financial position, and it is ludicrous to suggest that his opinion carries any weight.
2. The property tax plan involves a flat cap, not a larger percentage reduction for "the better off." Of course those that are paying more taxes are going to see a greater savings in absolute dollars. If I am paying 90% of a $100 dinner bill and there is a $50 refund, I am entitled to 90% of the money coming back. That I get $45 back and you get $5 is not a larger reduction - at the end of the day, I paid $45 for the same meal you got for $5. Under your logic, you would get off for nothing or even end up with money in your pocket - my money.
3. Taking Indianapolis for example, it seems to have plenty of money to subsidize Irsay, Simon properties and hotel developers. Any "red flags" that local government, towns, cities, and counties are throwing up regarding "the impact to be able to deliver local services" are and should remain highly suspect until their budgets are examined, moreover, the moaning and groaning from MC and other pork spending counties should not be projected onto all. No one, including you, backs up these "sky is falling" statements with any facts.
4. If schools would return to the business of education instead of building stadiums, etc., I suspect they would have sufficient funds. Again, no facts have been offered to back up any of these "gloom and doom" statements.
5. If you cut taxes, spending also needs to be cut, and yet your points 8 and 9 imply spending should not be cut. Which is it? As for "spreading the base," if you are talking about funding local services and schools with any more money taken at the state level than is already done, no thanks. Taking MC for example, why should people outside of it have to subsidize its corporate giveaways? Why should people outside of HC have to pay for its Mayor's pet projects? Why should people outside of a school district have to pay for that district's $14 Million plus swimming pool? I can neither vote the people responsible for those spending decisions in or out of office.
6. If you recall the numbers published by the Star a few weeks ago, there were certain counties which lose very little money with property tax caps. At that, the figures published appeared to reflect only loss of property tax revenue, and were not offset by any savings to counties as a result of the State taking over certain expenses. I personally think that some of the expenses under discussion for shift should be thrown out (for example, police and fire pension funding - any shortages are the result of local fiscal mismanagement and should remain a local burden). I also personally think that they should try it without a sales tax increase, but given that non-prepared food (the kind you buy at the grocery store and use to prepare meals), medicine, and housing are not subject to sales tax, if a 1% sales tax increase is needed to do it, so be it. The "rich" will end up paying more because they spend more, but at least with a sales tax increase, they will have something to show for it.

I, too, could go on.
Fruits of labor

Panama City, FL

#19 Mar 8, 2008
Barry Fox Elkhart IN wrote:
... The 1, 2, 3 cap plans will wind up in court and they know this....
And why do you think that will be? The different tax caps are for different classes of property. Rental and business property are income producing, whereas owner occupied property is not. Moreover, C-corporations do not pay local income taxes - only individuals do. There is a rational basis for the distinctions.
big BROTHER

Indianapolis, IN

#20 Mar 8, 2008
Fruits of labor wrote:
<quoted text>
Brands of socialism and communism have failed every where they have been tried because those systems take away incentives to be productive. It never ceases to amaze me how people who are paying little or no taxes complain about how much in absolute dollars those that are paying the majority of taxes save when there is a tax cut. The real "fat cats" are the ones who sit on their duffs and collect welfare benefits paid for by tax dollars extracted from working folks. Moreover, the majority of people who earn higher salaries do so because they spent the time and incurred debt to get a higher education and work more than full time, and those people are entitled to the fruits of their labor.
Socialism and communism are two different isms. all of the stable countries in the world are socialist, eg germany,sweden, norway, denmark, switzerland,italy,france,list goes on they are more a form of elected democracy but has checks and ballances to say where their money goes. they flat out DO NOT have the the right to use the countries retiremant money to fund a war.And they would not think of it in other countries.and they have 100%covered health care. they don't have high drug prices, over the top medical costs or bad education. they pay alot in taxes but it is money well spent there. I was in germany and the city of Stugart told Porcshe and VW that if they wanted to expand their plant they needed to run their steam pipes under the city and use it to thaw snow fall. they don't kiss but to companies and give them tax breaks and incentives to move there they tell them they have to do this or that to do bizz there.
Kumar

Brownsburg, IN

#21 Mar 8, 2008
Bob wrote:
Bite me Democrats -- losers.
Sarcastic or not, it's that kind of mature attitude on both sides of the aisle that will keep a property tax solution from passing again this year.
Kumar

Brownsburg, IN

#22 Mar 8, 2008
Fruits of labor wrote:
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And why do you think that will be? The different tax caps are for different classes of property. Rental and business property are income producing, whereas owner occupied property is not. Moreover, C-corporations do not pay local income taxes - only individuals do. There is a rational basis for the distinctions.
we'd be better off also having a graded property tax system that benefits long time homeowners.
You'd pay more for the first year, then progressively less until the 5th or 10th year of ownership. Home flippers and investors would pay through the nose, but the rest of us would be fine. It'd also be a deterrent to interest only or ARMs for people who can't really afford the home they're trying to buy.

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