Ellenville, Wawarsing back Nevele casino quest

Mar 2, 2012 Full story: Times Herald-Record 7

The Village of Ellenville and Town of Wawarsing unanimously approved resolutions backing gambling at the 487-acre site, closed since 2009.

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“Just the FACTS!”

Since: Apr 10

Ellenville, NY

#1 Mar 17, 2012
Well, of course it wasn't "the Village of Ellenville and the Town of Wawarsing" that "unanimously approved" anything! It was just a mere handful of under-informed members of their respective boards.

Will a referendum of ALL the citizens of Ellenville and Wawarsing ever be held to determine their position on a casino in the town? What studies did either the village or town board do before endorsing this? What research or due diligence on the involved parties, or casino gambling's affect on communities in general, did they do? Bet it was ZERO!

Deja vu all over again. In spite of warnings and public articles questioning the motives and court history of "Chief" Roberts and the "Mohegans," the naive and desperate local governments, wading into territory where they had no expertise or authority, "endorsed" the hypothetical and questionable plans to let the camel's nose of gambling under the tent that was the Tamarack Hotel. And what great benefits have the village and town garnered from all that? Nada, zip, zilch. And this after the sloppy non-starter that was the Modoc tribe casino proposal of years earlier.

And here we go with a new "questionable" player (County Exec Hein was FOR this, until the news of the suspicious background activity came out, so then he was against it; then a judged ruled allowing the deal, and he was for it again!), who say they'll walk away IF the state doesn't grant them casino permission, because THIS is "the only option" (even as the Fallsview Hotel successfully morphed into Honor's Haven Resort and Spa WITHOUT gambling).

Desperation makes for bad policy decisions, as does denial and wishful thinking. Things are surely bad, but how does making it worse make it better?

And Senator Bonacic is engaging in unsupported wishful thinking about "spurs" to the local economy, as studies and experience show that casinos COST communities more than they "spur" them:

"Studies overwhelmingly demonstrate that gambling's costs outweigh any economic benefit; that problem gambling rises as gambling opportunities proliferate; that economic hardship and crime likewise increase with more gambling; and that the level of wagering in this state and nation is increasing at a rate that is incompatible with true economic growth. It is the false promise of economic salvation. Any economic benefit realized from gambling is far outweighed by its economic and social costs." - Senator Frank Padavan, in All Gambling, All the Time

The case against casino gambling so far: it breeds crime and corruption; distorts local politics and encourages end-runs around proper procedure; drains resources and revenues from local governments and businesses; and fails to deliver promised jobs and economic development to the community. Though social costs to a town, region, or state can be measured in the dollars and collective pain borne by the community-at-large when casinos arrive, the costs to certain individuals and their families can become overwhelming, even all-encompassing.

For a series of columns on the negative impacts of casinos and gambling, including the sorry history of attempts in Ulster County, go to www.journal.kryolux.us and read the series "Beware the Sucker Bet" from PublicDomain42 through PublicDomain47.
Jessay

Wallkill, NY

#2 Mar 28, 2012
Means jobs finally. And Ellenville might actually make the money to fix this town up. I know it desperatly needs it..

“Just the FACTS!”

Since: Apr 10

Ellenville, NY

#3 Mar 28, 2012
Jessay wrote:
Means jobs finally. And Ellenville might actually make the money to fix this town up. I know it desperatly needs it..
So, you didn't read my previous post, or the long series of columns I wrote that refuted all that, did you?

The "jobs" promised never seem to get delivered as believed, and tend to be mostly low-pay, low-benefit, except for the few outsiders brought in.

There's no reason to believe Ellenville (which is a village; the casino would be in THE TOWN of Wawarsing, which is OUTSIDE the village, hence Ellenville sees NONE of any tax money, assuming there even IS any tax money!) will see ANY money from this! That's just magical wishful thinking, because the FACTS show otherwise.

And, as I said DESPERATION leads to poor decisions.
Migg

New York, NY

#4 Apr 21, 2012
Leave it to Krulick to spew propaganda. It's all he's good for. Talk abut a useful idiot.

“Just the FACTS!”

Since: Apr 10

Ellenville, NY

#5 Apr 21, 2012
Calling it "spewing" doesn't refute what I said; calling it "propaganda" doesn't make it so. Calling me an idiot doesn't make me one. Using absolutisms ("It's ALL he's good for") isn't logically sound.

Let us know when you wish to discuss the issues raised, and not just engage in silly ad hominem personal attacks without basis.
Ribzilla

Latham, NY

#6 Jan 14, 2013
Krulick wrote:
Calling it "spewing" doesn't refute what I said; calling it "propaganda" doesn't make it so. Calling me an idiot doesn't make me one. Using absolutisms ("It's ALL he's good for") isn't logically sound.
Let us know when you wish to discuss the issues raised, and not just engage in silly ad hominem personal attacks without basis.
Liar.

“Just the FACTS!”

Since: Apr 10

Ellenville, NY

#7 Jan 25, 2013
Ribzilla wrote:
<quoted text>Liar.
Prove it. Point to any and then show it to be so. Bet you can't and won't.

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