Ellenville receives $100,000 for geot...

Ellenville receives $100,000 for geothermal heating system

There are 19 comments on the Recordonline.com story from Sep 14, 2011, titled Ellenville receives $100,000 for geothermal heating system. In it, Recordonline.com reports that:

The system, however, will cost some $550,000, according to Mayor Jeff Kaplan. The village still needs to obtain money for the rest of the project.

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Rman

United States

#1 Sep 15, 2011
this is so funny. Ellenville has problems with there sewage and water system and there going to waste it on this project.

At least they fixed Liberty square.lol
but hell forget about the pipes.

This Village is a joke.

They need Build new pipes and a water treatment center before this.

That ok they will chase people away when they raise taxes...:)
Nik Nyer

Goshen, NY

#2 Sep 22, 2011
Oh WOW ,yeah, let's spend money to heat village hall. HELLO. Are the leaders in this town NUTS? All that money to do that? Sorry kids, you're never going to have a place to go see a movie or an indoor recreation center. because the village hall wants to have a better heating system first. Oh and forget about all the awful water problems. And who spent money on the little shop of horror plants placed around town,and who was the brain behind that dumb sidewalk near the post office. How about using the post office parking lot for the people who have to park in the spots in front of the Post office which is only about 5 at a time. While the parking lot is empty. What a backwards town we have .

“Just the FACTS!”

Since: Apr 10

Ellenville, NY

#3 Sep 22, 2011
Nik, are you even aware of the difference between THE TOWN (Wawarsing) and the VILLAGE (Ellenvile) in it?

Are you aware that the savings on heating and cooling using geothermal instead of oil heat and putting in a new additional A/C unit on the roof to cool the parts of the building not now being cooled, can be significant? I recommended that the village look into solar, wind, and geothermal at the time the building was purchased as a way to save in the long run. See, if you don't save where you can, you have to pay MORE in ongoing costs, which means higher taxes, so this is an INVESTMENT in more efficiency.

And it doesn't preclude fixing the other problems, strawslinger. Sometimes, grants are specific and can only be for certain things; energy savings projects are big on the current agenda for stimulus money.(How would the village govt spend on getting a movie theater, duh? Wouldn't that be "socialism"? lol)

The water and sewer fixes involve OTHER grants, some already in hand. The plants and containers were donations from the Chamber of Commerce, the Garden Club, and local businesses and greenhouses; no village govt money that I know of, but thanks for playing.

Nobody has railed about the poor use of money on the entire Liberty Square remodeling, including the PO area, more than I. My column on it can be found at: http://journal.kryolux.us/PublicDomain54.pdf

Easy to complain; a bit harder to offer practical solutions and then DO SOMETHING positive to fix things. I await your donating your time, or getting in office and showing everyone else how it should be done.
Nik Nyer

Goshen, NY

#4 Sep 22, 2011
Call it what ever the hey you want, but $100,000 to quote you ("
heating and cooling using geothermal instead of oil heat and putting in a new additional A/C unit on the roof to cool the parts of the building not now being cooled, can be significant" )

For who?? Not the poor people in town who may work in your favorite local stores who skimp on the heat and AC. But all those who work in a Village hall have to have the best huh? That's a whole lot of money to put towards a fancy heating system that will benefit the cost of heating in the future for the Village hall. There are more important issues to be attended to with money of that size..Who said anything about getting a "Movie Theater"? I said a place to see a movie. Ya know, like maybe the Shadowland give a night or the school auditorium. Or even the village hall. Ha. Doesn't have to be a huge theater. Sure no one has said anything on HERE about the remodeling,most local people don't have a clue about this forum. They don't see it advertised anywhere. Do you send the link to people . I think not. many people have joked and talked about the useless remodeling of that sidewalk outside of the Post office, that hideous long extension that will soon be covered with snow and cars will bump into it or go over it.. I didn't say anything about the Liberty Square which does look lovely. Why not remove the piece of street where the statue used to stand ? Again I quote ".Donations from Chamber of Commerce, the Garden Club, and local businesses and greenhouses,"
OK how nice, but they write it off on their tax. A donation of something other then giant plants such as public trash cans may have served a better purpose . Yeah I do know the difference between village and town. Do you know the difference between village people and town people? There is no difference.?

No I wouldn't want to "Get in office" as you put it. but if I did I would be more for the people then you and that's a fact! I'm not power hungry like you. You can write all the columns you want, at best, you're your own biggest fan. You've convinced yourself of your ability to write. However your stories are going no where. I can't even suggest you give up while you're ahead because you aren't ahead. You're so far back that you're fighting your way out of your own way. I think I'll send a news letter out with the link for this forum. So more people can spill their guts out and express their true feelings which you don't get to hear while you hang out on a forum.. You would be surprised at the amount of locals who feel exactly as I do! I'm done with you, as you're always wanting the last word and having an answer for everyone who isn't in agreement with you. Do you realize you favor that ridiculous Fraze "DUH" well, back at ya old man.Goodbye.

“Just the FACTS!”

Since: Apr 10

Ellenville, NY

#5 Sep 22, 2011
Money may be fungible, but grants aren't. IF you can reduce the costs to maintain a village hall (and possibly use the improved system to bring in paying tenants, something that can't be done as is, because the current system was not designed to handle the whole building, which would require putting in an expensive AC roof unit JUST to handle the AC in the upper floors, which til now has precluded finishing and renting out that dead space), you can reduce the taxes. What is your problem with reducing taxes?

Second, if the grant money to do THIS and NOT one of your strawman alternatives is what IS available, why turn it down? It doesn't prevent looking at or doing the other things, but it CAN'T be applied to it.(Now, that the village would have to raise $450K to add to the $100 is another matter, and may prevent the whole thing from going forward, making your entire complaint moot!)

How would NOT taking the money and improving the system help the "poor people... who skimp on the heat and AC"? Whether the money is or isn't spent on improving the hall's system has no bearing on the individual's situation, OTHER than to reduce their ultimate village tax bill, which you ignore. It's not a matter of having "to have the best, huh?" but an opportunity to upgrade to save money, and as oil will only go up in price, each year it could be used would save more money than if not. You seem to imply that this money COULD be spent on something "more important," (like movies?!!) but that's not how grants work.

"Who said anything about getting a "Movie Theater"? I said a place to see a movie." Not exactly. YOU said: "Sorry kids, you're never going to have a place to go see a movie"; but THEN you say here "Ya know, like maybe the Shadowland give a night or the school auditorium." But those places exist already, and HAVE shown movies, so your statement "you're never going to have a place to go see a movie" is already refuted by your own words! We don't HAVE to spend money on places that already exist in order to show films (unless we build a separate movie theater, a logical extrapolation to draw from what you said); what are you suggesting, that the village find $100K and use it to show films in venues that already exist and are not village-owned properties? You can't have it both ways; unless you are just pandering for demagoguery, you make no sense.

The post office work was PART of the whole Liberty Square remodeling, so when you brought up the former, it was only done as PART of the whole, hence you DID bring it up. It was roughly a $300K grant that turned a non-functional village square into... a non-functional village square, and the village had to ante up roughly $20K ADDITIONAL MONEY FROM ITS BUDGET to make up the shortfall, which is why I was doubly irked. Lovely? Not $300K worth of lovely! The faux bricks are already cracking, within days of completion! Did you even READ my column? I made the suggestion, and the pictures I included show it, to remove one or both street sections YEARS ago! So read my column before arguing MY argument back to me!

Do they use the donations of material as a tax write off? I don't know. But so what? The point is it is NOT village taxpayer money. The village PAID for new trash receptacles after *I* MADE it a major issue when I first got on the board; they took YEARS to implement our decision, over some silly claims, and questions of style, and then eventually followed my TWO examples... small, pole mounted units, and larger, stone-faced shells.

“Just the FACTS!”

Since: Apr 10

Ellenville, NY

#6 Sep 22, 2011
The difference between village and town people is a matter of what you can vote on, what services you get, and what taxes you pay. That is difference enough to keep the argument about dissolution popping up every decade or so.(No, you DON'T know the difference when you refer to VILLAGE matters by calling it TOWN! You talk about village hall and then say "Are the leaders in this TOWN nuts?" The TOWN doesn't determine how THE VILLAGE spends its money! Dance all you want, but you are caught in an error; man up and admit it!)

You don't know what you are talking about! You clearly know NOTHING of my record of service in the community going back to my arrival in the 70s, and your hollow claim that you would be "more for the people than you and that's a fact" is refuted by your refusal to "get in office" and actually SERVE the people, whereas I have a record that is public and you can ask any number of locals who have been involved with me over the years! Are you a mind-reader that you claim to know my thoughts? I'm so "power hungry" that I turned down running for a third term! I didn't parley my service into any deals or "power grabbing," so what the hell are you talking about? Writing columns gives me no power at all, other than to get people to THINK about important issues. My ability to write is not in question, your blatant assertions and whistling past the graveyard snarkiness notwithstanding. And then the classic "I'm done with you" throwing in the towel, proof of your inability to deal with the challenges that show you to be unable to defend your claims or refute my comments. Don't let the door hit you on the way out, strawslinger.
Nik Nyer

Goshen, NY

#7 Sep 22, 2011
There you go, having to have the last word. You were the kid every guy beat up in school and the girls laughed at, and you're still that JERK!

“Just the FACTS!”

Since: Apr 10

Ellenville, NY

#8 Sep 22, 2011
Hmmm, you said you were done, and yet YOU come back to have the last word! Irony, disingenuousness, or hypocrisy? I knew you couldn't resist!

But then you proved your level of incompetence, NOT by addressing the issues raised, or admitting to your errors, but by making up silly nonsense of a personal nature, founded on nothing but your inability to respond civilly and as an adult. No, I was never beat up in school, and the girls didn't laugh at me; just keep whistling in the dark past the graveyard and defaulting the argument! Since I wasn't that "jerk" then, I can't still be that "jerk" now! But thanks for playing! I'm sure you will be back to get that last word again, in spite of your previous claim!
Nik Nyer

Goshen, NY

#9 Sep 23, 2011
Mr. Krulick,you're stalking me and I will report this.
sandy rodriguez

Goshen, NY

#10 Sep 23, 2011
My question is where are they going to get the additinal $450,000 they so dearly need for a heat & cooling system? Taxes??$100,000 just to have a better heating & cooling system when this town needs to fix the so much more important issues. Or how about creating jobs here? Something more better then to make village hall cooler?

Krulick:Your whole world must smell like shit because your head so far up your ass you only smell yourself & what you are thinking! LOL

“Just the FACTS!”

Since: Apr 10

Ellenville, NY

#11 Sep 23, 2011
Stalking?!!! GET A GRIP! No, O disingenuous hypocrite, I'm merely pointing out that you said you were done posting, and yet here you are again still posting.

All you had to do to get 'the last word' was to ANSWER the questions, challenges, and points I raised! But instead of addressing my deconstruction of your side-stepping deflections and personal attacks of ME, you just went into puerile mode and made up some fantasy about your projection of MY childhood, which suggests some psychological scars YOU are dealing with more than anything else.

Good luck with your "report"! And don't forget to put in some of little icon thingies that show how much you dislike what I said; those really, really upset me so! NOT!

“Just the FACTS!”

Since: Apr 10

Ellenville, NY

#12 Sep 23, 2011
Good question, Sandy! I don't see it coming from any granting source, and it can't come from taxes. The only possible source is from bonding, but that is unlikely to fly.

As for your personal attack, it's nice to know that you have retained things you learned in third grade! Anytime you wish to join the adults in rational discussion of actual issues instead of puerile name-calling, feel free to jump in.(Another one who confuses the town and village; sheesh, and THEY wonder why the public can't elect competent officials.)
Rman

United States

#13 Sep 23, 2011
its very easy.. raise the money through donations... or try to get shoprite to raise money with donations... Seams like they always have something going on.

It would take a long time to raise that money around this village or town for the heating systems for the village.

“Just the FACTS!”

Since: Apr 10

Ellenville, NY

#15 Sep 23, 2011
I suggested many years ago that the village set up a capital improvement fund, that taxes and grants paid into each year, earning interest, to be used when a suitable project came along. Oh, heaven forbid we actually set aside money for a rainy day, was the response, and it never happened. No, donations won't happen, additional grants won't likely happen, tax increases for this would cause a riot, and additional debt would be irresponsible. So all the concern is likely moot, because it won't happen after all.

“Just the FACTS!”

Since: Apr 10

Ellenville, NY

#16 Sep 23, 2011
Calling me crazy, weirdo, sicko, illiterate, below normal, etc., doesn't make me so. Can you offer ONE piece of evidence from my words to support ONE claim you have blatantly asserted?

It seems that *I* am the only one being attacked here on a strictly personal basis, independent of the issues raised, ganged-up-on by mostly nameless ciphers who deal not in the issues but in personal animus; since when is defending one's self FROM attacks not allowed or disparaged?

I pretend nothing. I never said I was anyone. You know nothing about what I do or don't do, what I think, who my friends are, or how I "spend" my life. I don't need a dictionary. I don't have to fake or trumpet my intelligence.

How is calling me names "trying to discus matters with" me? What "matter" are you discussing here? How sad it must be to have such venom in you that all you can do here is obsess about me. What about me so upsets you that you are compelled to write this nasty post? Do I even know you? Have we ever met? Would you say these things to my face?
Pat at Village Square

Goshen, NY

#17 Sep 26, 2011
Sorry for that post. My kids and their friends were being stupid.Are now punished!
Pat at Village Square

Goshen, NY

#18 Sep 26, 2011
Sorry for that post, my kids and their friends were being stupid. Are now punished!
Krulick wrote:
Calling me crazy, weirdo, sicko, illiterate, below normal, etc., doesn't make me so. Can you offer ONE piece of evidence from my words to support ONE claim you have blatantly asserted?
It seems that *I* am the only one being attacked here on a strictly personal basis, independent of the issues raised, ganged-up-on by mostly nameless ciphers who deal not in the issues but in personal animus; since when is defending one's self FROM attacks not allowed or disparaged?
I pretend nothing. I never said I was anyone. You know nothing about what I do or don't do, what I think, who my friends are, or how I "spend" my life. I don't need a dictionary. I don't have to fake or trumpet my intelligence.
How is calling me names "trying to discus matters with" me? What "matter" are you discussing here? How sad it must be to have such venom in you that all you can do here is obsess about me. What about me so upsets you that you are compelled to write this nasty post? Do I even know you? Have we ever met? Would you say these things to my face?

“Just the FACTS!”

Since: Apr 10

Ellenville, NY

#19 Sep 26, 2011
Wow, Pat, that's bizarre! Do you mean they used your computer, posting as you? Well, they were certainly creative! I hope the punishment was appropriate and edifying, perhaps involving a dictionary in some manner? ;)
Pat at Village Square

Goshen, NY

#20 Sep 27, 2011
LOL, yeah. They are punished but good. No computer games at all for two weeks. . They know more how to use this thing then me. for sure.

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