Landmark gay marriage hearing approac...

Landmark gay marriage hearing approaches in Pa.

There are 38 comments on the Turnto10.com story from Sep 1, 2013, titled Landmark gay marriage hearing approaches in Pa.. In it, Turnto10.com reports that:

For two months, an elected court clerk in the Philadelphia suburbs has been giving something to same-sex couples they have not been able to get anywhere else: a Pennsylvania marriage license.

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Since: Mar 07

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#27 Sep 4, 2013
Rational Evolutionist wrote:
The Hidden Danger of Same-Sex Marriage (continued):
Indeed HIV and AIDS are significantly more common among .......
Do you have any stats that show marriage and monogamy increase the incidence of unprotected sex, and thus HIV/AIDS?

That notion seems a bit odd to the rest of us.

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#28 Sep 4, 2013
Rational Evolutionist wrote:
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If same-sex marriage is made legal in your state – public schools will be legally required to teach your sons, grandsons, nephews etc. that homosexuality is a socially acceptable and equal alternative to heterosexuality........
Actually, being gay, as a natural and harmless trait, is indeed socially acceptable, and learning this at a young age won't turn a single straight child gay, but will help the gay kids to grow up healthy and productive.

Would you REALLY prefer to teach gay kids that they must pretend to be straight, and marry one of your unsuspecting kids in a loveless marriage of convenience, just to make YOU feel better about yourself?

Sounds like a waste to me.

Since: Mar 09

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#29 Sep 5, 2013
Rational Evolutionist wrote:
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References:
Flock, Elizabeth. Gay Community Won Battles on Marriage, But May Be Losing the War on HIV/AIDS. U.S News, 3 July. 2013. Web. 9 July. 2013.‹ http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2013/07/0 ... >
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Fearless Contrarian

Saint Paul, MN

#30 Sep 5, 2013
snyper wrote:
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Somebody has been faking sources.
Gay Community Won Battles on Marriage, But May Be Losing the War on HIV/AIDS

Here’s the updated link:
http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2013/07/0...

Since: Jun 11

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#31 Sep 5, 2013
snyper wrote:
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Somebody has been faking sources.
Providing false information as well as false citations.

The article can be found, but none of the information provided here can be found in the article. The lies posted do not come from the article referenced.
Fearless Contrarian

Saint Paul, MN

#32 Sep 5, 2013
Quest wrote:
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Actually, being gay, as a natural and harmless trait, is indeed socially acceptable, and learning this at a young age won't turn a single straight child gay, but will help the gay kids to grow up healthy and productive.
Would you REALLY prefer to teach gay kids that they must pretend to be straight, and marry one of your unsuspecting kids in a loveless marriage of convenience, just to make YOU feel better about yourself?
Sounds like a waste to me.
To date, nonpartisan scientists have yet to prove that homosexuality is an innate biological condition. The assertion that people are born with antievolutionary sexual preferences is simply man-made propaganda, and political ideology that resembles religion.
Lamer

Hopkins, MN

#33 Sep 5, 2013
Fearless Contrarian wrote:
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To date, nonpartisan scientists have yet to prove that homosexuality is an innate biological condition. The assertion that people are born with antievolutionary sexual preferences is simply man-made propaganda, and political ideology that resembles religion.
more bs and zero sources as usual

Since: Jun 11

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#34 Sep 5, 2013
Rational Evolutionist wrote:
The Hidden Danger of Same-Sex Marriage (or be very, very afraid of the the future)

(False References:
Flock, Elizabeth. Gay Community Won Battles on Marriage, But May Be Losing the War on HIV/AIDS. U.S News, 3 July. 2013. Web. 9 July. 2013.‹ http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2013/07/0 ... >
So many problems with this promotion of prejudice and false information.

The article referenced is not the source. It is a stigmatizing opinion piece.

Why would male to male anal be any different than male to female?(It isn't, but the goal of the article is to stigmatize, so they ignore this fact.)

They fail to mention HIV must be present in one partner for it to be transmitted. They ignore protected sex as well as the fact most gay women do not practice anal, and many gay men do not as well.

The article can be found, but none of the information provided here can be found in the article. The lies posted do not come from the article referenced.

Fear of an unrealistic unknown future: The opinion fearfully claims: "To avoid costly discrimination or defamation lawsuits from gay parents or federal and state authorities, school educators will deliberately avoid teaching the true health risks of male-to-male sodomy." Again male to female anal poses the same risks as MSM, while unprotected vaginal is dangerous as well. The article falsely implies it is not.(Yet without stating it, they present a good argument for comprehensive sex education, yet it seems they want some information kept secret.)

It fails to suggest how marriage will result in more promiscuity, ignoring the opposite is the most likely scenario.

In short, this pack of lies is intended to stigmatize and marginalize based on misleading and false information.

Since: Jun 11

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#35 Sep 5, 2013
Fearless Contrarian wrote:
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To date, nonpartisan scientists have yet to prove that homosexuality is an innate biological condition. The assertion that people are born with antievolutionary sexual preferences is simply man-made propaganda, and political ideology that resembles religion.
More false and misleading information, but irrelevant, as we protect equal rights on the basis of belief systems. Deny the history of the world if you must, but gay people have always been around. Your denial of reality fails to provide a rational excuse for legal discrimination.

Since: Jun 11

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#36 Sep 5, 2013
Fearless Contrarian wrote:
<quoted text>
Gay Community Won Battles on Marriage, But May Be Losing the War on HIV/AIDS
Here’s the updated link:
http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2013/07/0...
And yet the misinformation you provide does not come from that source. Which anti-gay organization provided that fear mongering misinformation?

Since: Jun 11

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#37 Sep 5, 2013
Most gay men and women are not infected with any disease. Gay women are the lowest risk group, far behind heterosexual women and men.

Disease transmission information has always been used to demonize and dehumanize populations targeted for punishment. It was used to justify inter-racial segregation, and continues to be used today, despite the fact straight folks become infected with all of the same diseases, and even more straight people do all of the same things gay people do.

But more fundamentally, we don't deny equal rights based on disease. Because there are some who would like to do that, we have even had to pass laws protecting people with diseases, birth defects, etc, from discrimination.

Disease transmission information demonstrates the importance of encouraging committed monogamous relationships through marriage.

It also demonstrates the importance of comprehensive education about disease transmission and risk reduction.

It fails as an excuse for denial of equal fundamental rights.

Because it provides no legitimate governmental interest, it is nothing more than an attempt to demonize, dehumanize, and rationalize harming others needlessly.

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#38 Sep 5, 2013
Fearless Contrarian wrote:
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To date, nonpartisan scientists have yet to prove that homosexuality is an innate biological condition. The assertion that people are born with antievolutionary sexual preferences is simply man-made propaganda, and political ideology that resembles religion.
I read the article you linked. Thanks for the amended link.

I don't understand what you're doing with it, though.

The article presents incomplete data. For example, it fails to mention the demographic breakdown of the new infections: inner-city impoverished Black and Hispanic, populations historically prone to communicable diseases.

When the writer uses the phrase "college age males" she is subtly evoking in the minds of the readers an image that doesn't properly focus on the actual locale of the problem. To not do so is irresponsible writing, giving to the reader false impressions.

The effects of political action and the creation of funding, programs and services has a natural lag time in their effect. So does de-funding.

In 2008 we began to reverse 8+ years of an "abstinence-only" educational doctrine out of the Fed. During that decade, funding for anything else was pulled, and complete information in the classroom was strongly discouraged. Is there any surprise that we begin to see the effects among the young schooled during that period?

It the end of the 1800s, Tuberculosis was pandemic, focused primarily in big city slums; prime breeding grounds for the microbe ... but it certainly did not stay there. At that time, certain factions blamed the poor who were forced to live there, and especially the Chinese who were permitted to live nowhere else. This led to such benighted legislation as "The Asian Exclusion Act" which blocked Asian and Pacific Islanders from applying for immigration and Citizenship; and much rhetoric about "The Asian Menace" from such groups as "The Native Sons of the Golden West" and the "KKK" who, in California, pushed through Laws prohibiting "any persons ineligible for Citizenship" from purchasing land. This left only the slums, poverty and disease for those who built 2/3rds of our transcontinental RRs for us.

Anyway, the problem with HIV isn't being gay, anymore than the problem with Tuberculosis was being Chinese. It's PROMISCUITY and poverty and a thoroughly disaffected attitude about literacy and education among innercity youth ... regardless of orientation.

Another contributing factor is the raging anti-gay attitudes among those populations, resulting in furtiveness and secrecy.

It's difficult in a forum setting to clearly paint how this is all interconnected. I need to draw timelines, graphs, tables, show video, play testimony, etc, to really make it all as clear as it really is to Social Scientists

The writer of that article wrote something that was little more than an ignorant puff-piece, that didn't just not really inform the reader, it left the reader with the false notion that they had learned something which, in my book, amounts to disinformation.

The girl didn't write an informative article, she made a collage of snippets of information that she obviously didn't grasp herself.

I could just SLAP the stupid biatch.

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#39 Sep 6, 2013
Fearless Contrarian wrote:
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To date, nonpartisan scientists have yet to prove that homosexuality is an innate biological condition. The assertion that people are born with antievolutionary sexual preferences is simply man-made propaganda, and political ideology that resembles religion.
It's not "anti-evolutionary" simple becasue you don't understand or like it, and it is YOU and your type who try to elevate hating and fearing a simple natural difference to a religion.

Don't try lie about and work to harm other hardworking, tax-paying, and law-abiding Americans and their families, and then whine like a child when they band together and protect themselves.

Your weakness and insecurity are not good enough reasons to hurt me, or my children.

Since: Mar 07

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#40 Sep 6, 2013
Fearless Contrarian wrote:
<quoted text>
Gay Community Won Battles on Marriage, But May Be Losing the War on HIV/AIDS
Here’s the updated link:
http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2013/07/0...
Which part of the gay community is losing that battle? Lesbians have the LOWEST rate of infection for all sexually transmitted disease.

Do you really believe that marginalizing all gay folks, bullying gay kids, and denying all gay people marriage will REDUCE the incidence of HIV?

Explain the exact mechanism.

“Proud to be a Wiccan Priest”

Since: Jul 09

Jonesboro AR

#41 Sep 6, 2013
Quest wrote:
<quoted text>
Which part of the gay community is losing that battle? Lesbians have the LOWEST rate of infection for all sexually transmitted disease.
Do you really believe that marginalizing all gay folks, bullying gay kids, and denying all gay people marriage will REDUCE the incidence of HIV?
Explain the exact mechanism.
Oh you want the mechanism.. hypocrisy, bigotry, Homophobia. And lets not forget willful ignorance. Yep, I think that about covers it.

Since: Dec 07

DuPage County

#42 Sep 10, 2013
david lee modlin wrote:
<quoted text>. No matter how u look at it, gay is not the way! Read the bible mississippi!
You need to get out of the house more often..... I love it when people quote the bible in relation to modern issues. Let me guess, you also aren't in favor of electricity or automobiles as well.

“Proud to be a Wiccan Priest”

Since: Jul 09

Jonesboro AR

#43 Sep 10, 2013
Saluki Rod wrote:
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You need to get out of the house more often..... I love it when people quote the bible in relation to modern issues. Let me guess, you also aren't in favor of electricity or automobiles as well.
Don't forget,'that if god had wanted man to fly he would have given him wings....'

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Since: Jan 08

Defiance, Ohio

#44 Sep 10, 2013
Fearless Contrarian wrote:
To date, nonpartisan scientists have yet to prove that homosexuality is an innate biological condition.
That has no bearing upon the constitutional guarantee of equal protection of the law for all people.
Fearless Contrarian wrote:
The assertion that people are born with antievolutionary sexual preferences is simply man-made propaganda, and political ideology that resembles religion.
It is also utterly irrelevant to the topic at hand.

Grow up, and grow an argument.

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