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Thousands protest anti-union bill in Wisconsin

There are 482 comments on the NBC26 story from Feb 16, 2011, titled Thousands protest anti-union bill in Wisconsin. In it, NBC26 reports that:

Thousands of teachers, students and prison guards descended on the Wisconsin Capitol on Wednesday to fight a move to strip government workers of union rights in the first state to grant them more than a half-century ago, but it cleared a major legislative hurdle without the changes they sought.

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Phish

Milwaukee, WI

#1 Feb 17, 2011
Any teacher who did not show up for school today should be fired.
Teachers pet

Shorewood, IL

#2 Feb 17, 2011
If you cut all the teachers pay and benefits good luck keeping teachers period. They will go work at private schools or quit the profession altogether. Have fun finding quality teachers for public schools. I bet the superintendents and principals will still receive high salaries while the teachers get screwed over. Obama said in his state of the union to college kids if your undecided on a major become a teacher.We need you ,your country needs you. Please your country needs you to take a career with low pay and no respect. I got an idea maybe you can get some illegals to become teachers since they like the jobs no one else wants,Since teir are so many in publc schools anyways. Or that may be the reason the country is in so much debt to begin with.
Phish

Milwaukee, WI

#3 Feb 17, 2011
I wish I only had to pay 12% of my insurance premiums. I wish my employer matched even part of the 5% I contribute to my retirement. They have a great gig even with the changes. Their are millions of people in this state who would love to have a job with an average salary and benefits of over $100,000.

Give me a break!
Maggie

Saint George, UT

#4 Feb 17, 2011
Well Pet you are wrong.If we get rid of the unions and lazy teachers and administrators there will be plenty of GOOD teachers and administrators available to teach in private schools.,because they are already in our schools.They are there working around unions and lazy teachers and worthless parents who have kids and send them to school ill prepared for the environment.
Public schools have failed!!!! No amount of money you throw at them will cure the mess the unions,tenure, unqualified teachers and derelect parents have caused.
The only hope for this country is home schooling and private schools,so that at least we can save some of our children.

No matter how many bad folks there are in this public school mess...there are still more who care about our kids,and we will save them from all of you who cannot solve this mess. GOOD teachers are respected,it is just the greedy,unbending union freaks are the ones you hear about.
Teachers pet

Shorewood, IL

#5 Feb 17, 2011
I agree some teachers are payed enormous salaries but most teachers do not. My wife has been teaching in IL for 11 years makes about $50,000. On contrast her superintendent makes $$285,000.00 plus car allowance and many other perks. For a district that has a total of 3 schools. Go back to school a get a teaching certificate, so you can get pay freezes,enlarged class sizes, parents that don't care. Oh yeah have fun paying for private school tuition for your kids when all the real teachers leave public schools.
tompoe

Richmond, MN

#6 Feb 17, 2011
Maggie wrote:
Well Pet you are wrong.If we get rid of the unions and lazy teachers and administrators there will be plenty of GOOD teachers and administrators available to teach in private schools.,because they are already in our schools.
I hope you won't be offended, but you are dimwitted, at best. Countries that don't have unions, without exception, have wages that are a fraction of what we in America enjoy. Without unions, we would not have child labor laws in our country. We would not have a 40 hour work week. We would not have employers participating in the cost of health care.

And you, poor Maggie, stand alone in thinking that teachers will earn even minimum wage if private schools take over our children's education.
Outsider

Wichita, KS

#7 Feb 17, 2011
CIVIL WAR HAS STARTED IN THE US TODAY...
DIVIDE AND CONQUER, WELL WE ARE BEING DIVIDED. TRUST ME THIS WILL SPREAD TO EVERY STATE IN THE US,

The president today took sides with the unions that put him in office, now he must pay them back. For putt
ing him and the far left in office.
I have not seen one AMERICAN FLAG, IN THIS CROWD, WE just become a Divided nation people.
The blood shed will not to far away , then the blame game will really start. Personally I have been a Democrat for FIFTY YEARS, NOW I am ASHAMED TO BE ONE. the party has been HIJACKED .
Phish

Milwaukee, WI

#8 Feb 17, 2011
Any comparison to Illinois is null and void. Illinois is a cesspool run by a bunch of blubbering idiots.
enough

United States

#9 Feb 17, 2011
There are millions of us who voted for Gov. Walker and we approve of what he is doing. We have had job cuts for years and now it's time for the people who are paid by us to pay.
Sorry, elections have consequences. Go Scott Walker! Decertify the unions like Reagan did!
PR and Proud

Milwaukee, WI

#10 Feb 17, 2011
Maggie wrote:
... cure the mess the unions,tenure, unqualified teachers and derelect parents have caused.
The only hope for this country is home schooling and private schools,so that at least we can save some of our children.
No matter how many bad folks there are in this public school mess...there are still more who care about our kids,and we will save them from all of you who cannot solve this mess. GOOD teachers are respected,it is just the greedy,unbending union freaks are the ones you hear about.
Wow... what an interesting post.

Have you seen what Walker's idea for privatizing did in Milwaukee County? He, basically, allowed anyone (with or without a teaching degree) to open schools. The only real safety net for communities is most communities retained the right to vote 'no' on the opening. Problem? You had to trust local politicians to do the proper research before giving the go ahead. Is that what you call cleaning up "this mess"? Those schools became schools for pregnant teenagers and punks who couldn't cut it in regular schools. I, like you, would love to believe schools would magically revert to the higher standards we once had in this great country. But look how big business works in other industries. Do you truly want those fact cats in charge of your child's education? And home schooling... is what generated the need for regulated public schools in the first place. I do appreciate your faith in humankind, though.
BingoBill

United States

#11 Feb 17, 2011
enough wrote:
There are millions of us who voted for Gov. Walker and we approve of what he is doing. We have had job cuts for years and now it's time for the people who are paid by us to pay.
Sorry, elections have consequences. Go Scott Walker! Decertify the unions like Reagan did!
damn strait...and f u PR
Maggie

Saint George, UT

#12 Feb 17, 2011
Teachers pet wrote:
I agree some teachers are payed enormous salaries but most teachers do not. My wife has been teaching in IL for 11 years makes about $50,000. On contrast her superintendent makes $$285,000.00 plus car allowance and many other perks. For a district that has a total of 3 schools. Go back to school a get a teaching certificate, so you can get pay freezes,enlarged class sizes, parents that don't care. Oh yeah have fun paying for private school tuition for your kids when all the real teachers leave public schools.
Read again my above statements. I have spoken to many Charter and Catholic school teachers and they are happy to be out of the public schools.
Agreed they are the younger teachers,who are often better,because they are enthuiastic and not embittered. Parents who pay to send kids to school are more often involved in the childrens progress and parents,teacher and administrators work together towards the childs success and responsible behavior.

I feel really sorry for the good teacher in public schools. I have a friend who quit after 10 years and runs a consulting business for parents who home school. She actually makes more than your wife makes,which by the way is not all that bad for a job with all the holiday breaks and summers off ,plus planning time for lesson planning,and some pretty damn good benefits. I only made $10 thousand more a year and had 15 days a year off,no planning time and no overtime,salaried,and had as many years college and continued education was required. Benefits were not as good as the teachers in my state(I lived elsewhere)but this state has some really low paid teachers. Amazingly some are good and some are not so good,just like the high paid states.

I feel sorry for children left in public schools,but sometimes my car was put together with duct tape and prayers,so that private school tuition could be paid. I hope they do work out this mess with the schools,it will be helpful to society as a whole,but I could not wait for them to fix it for my kids. I will never jnow how a parent could look into the face of a child and not want the best for them. This whole mess belongs to the governmnt,bad parenting and the unions. I wish your wife the best,it is awful to want to do a good job and have it be impossible because of the above.

“Voters elect Big Bird”

Since: Jan 07

Dump American Eagle

#13 Feb 17, 2011
Outsider wrote:
CIVIL WAR HAS STARTED IN THE US TODAY...
DIVIDE AND CONQUER, WELL WE ARE BEING DIVIDED. TRUST ME THIS WILL SPREAD TO EVERY STATE IN THE US,
The president today took sides with the unions that put him in office, now he must pay them back. For putt
ing him and the far left in office.
I have not seen one AMERICAN FLAG, IN THIS CROWD, WE just become a Divided nation people.
The blood shed will not to far away , then the blame game will really start. Personally I have been a Democrat for FIFTY YEARS, NOW I am ASHAMED TO BE ONE. the party has been HIJACKED .
Take it from an EX-Democrat. Your party got jacked YEARS ago. Starting with LBJ. Its been on a downhill leftist slide ever since. I see no good coming out of this progressive push by the unions and their socialist handlers. Perhaps the time is come for a new broom society wise.

“Voters elect Big Bird”

Since: Jan 07

Dump American Eagle

#14 Feb 17, 2011
PR and Proud wrote:
<quoted text>
Wow... what an interesting post.
Have you seen what Walker's idea for privatizing did in Milwaukee County? He, basically, allowed anyone (with or without a teaching degree) to open schools. The only real safety net for communities is most communities retained the right to vote 'no' on the opening. Problem? You had to trust local politicians to do the proper research before giving the go ahead. Is that what you call cleaning up "this mess"? Those schools became schools for pregnant teenagers and punks who couldn't cut it in regular schools. I, like you, would love to believe schools would magically revert to the higher standards we once had in this great country. But look how big business works in other industries. Do you truly want those fact cats in charge of your child's education? And home schooling... is what generated the need for regulated public schools in the first place. I do appreciate your faith in humankind, though.
I would like you and everyone who reads this to give it some thought. BEFORE 1976 (or so) there was NO federal Dept of Ed. Carter (the simpleton) created it to "improve" education. What has happened? Our education system has TANKED. Our schools are for the most part cesspools where insolent CHILDREN dictate to teachers,deal drugs,kill each other,and generally use it as a place to go for social gathering. Classes are incidental. Abolishing the DEA and returning the resposibility back to LOCAL/STATE control will be a two fold win. It will shut eliminate an ENTIRE bloated federal buearacracy,thus many fewer government employees(a win for the taxpayers)and it will leave curriculum,discipline rules,and enrollment standards/expectations in the hands of your local and state school boards-where they belong.

“4 years of Libs in agony!”

Since: Jan 11

Lake Geneva, WI

#15 Feb 17, 2011
Phish wrote:
Any teacher who did not show up for school today should be fired.
Absolutely. While we're at it, let's have all these liars explain to the parents who had to stay home with their kids today how this was "fair" to them. Next, ask these liars a simple question, "I thought it was always for the children". Guess we know the TRUTH now, it has NOTHING to do with the children, it's about self preservation.
Maggie

Saint George, UT

#16 Feb 17, 2011
tompoe wrote:
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I hope you won't be offended, but you are dimwitted, at best. Countries that don't have unions, without exception, have wages that are a fraction of what we in America enjoy. Without unions, we would not have child labor laws in our country. We would not have a 40 hour work week. We would not have employers participating in the cost of health care.
And you, poor Maggie, stand alone in thinking that teachers will earn even minimum wage if private schools take over our children's education.
Unions were a good idea whose time has passed.Yes they did many good things in the past. My father was a part of that day. However they moved beyond that point,into a zone where they are now, and have been for some time, damaging to this nation by their overly protectiveness of slackers and greediness. Whatever makes you think non union people in this country do not work just as hard as you all do. Why should I have to pay for your benefits and a lifestyle that your union heads sold you on and did not deliver and cannot do so. You want to call someone dimwitted,look in your mirror if you bought that one.
Now you can call me every name in the book but it will not get you what the union bosses promised you. Perhaps you should call them dimwitted also. I will guarantee you those bosses are livin' large off of monies you paid and are trying now to get it from me and other non union taxpayers. Guess what buddy,I am not your union boss and I promise you and owe you nothing.

“Voters elect Big Bird”

Since: Jan 07

Dump American Eagle

#17 Feb 17, 2011
tompoe wrote:
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I hope you won't be offended, but you are dimwitted, at best. Countries that don't have unions, without exception, have wages that are a fraction of what we in America enjoy. Without unions, we would not have child labor laws in our country. We would not have a 40 hour work week. We would not have employers participating in the cost of health care.
And you, poor Maggie, stand alone in thinking that teachers will earn even minimum wage if private schools take over our children's education.
Countries that don't have unions are experiencing double digit growth. No,they don't have our wage scale. But they also don't have out much higher standard of living(but they ARE catching up). Child labor? I see not a damn thing wrong with it. It would go a long way to getting gangs off the street,curb teen pregnancy,drug use,and instill a work ethic they sure as hell won't get from their parent(s). Don't want to work in school? Fine. Got just the place for ya. Here,grab the end of this shovel and get busy on one of Obama's (so called) ready to go projects. Yes,a little child(over 16) labor could cure a lot of problems. I'm all for giving it a try.

“Voters elect Big Bird”

Since: Jan 07

Dump American Eagle

#18 Feb 17, 2011
They can even join the Union and see all the great benefits they will derive from giving dues to union Bosses while seeing other deadbeats have their *union* jobs protected as everyone ELSE pulls their load.
Curious

Gadsden, AL

#19 Feb 17, 2011
How does it feel to be the laughing stock of the country? Fire all the teachers and impeach every absent senator. And please don't call me a dumb redneck. I am an educated woman, own my own business and have more class in my baby finger than most of you have in your entire body. I chose to live in Alabama because of the great weather, people and it is a right to work state. Yeah the teachers here are union but that will soon change, I hope. Gov Christie from NJ has the balls and right idea when it comes to unions and teachers. You knew the pay was bad before you went in, don't cry now because the free food trough at taxpayers expense is drying up.
PR and Proud

Milwaukee, WI

#20 Feb 17, 2011
okimar wrote:
<quoted text>
I would like you and everyone who reads this to give it some thought. BEFORE 1976 (or so) there was NO federal Dept of Ed. Carter (the simpleton) created it to "improve" education. What has happened? Our education system has TANKED. Our schools are for the most part cesspools where insolent CHILDREN dictate to teachers,deal drugs,kill each other,and generally use it as a place to go for social gathering. Classes are incidental. Abolishing the DEA and returning the resposibility back to LOCAL/STATE control will be a two fold win. It will shut eliminate an ENTIRE bloated federal buearacracy,thus many fewer government employees(a win for the taxpayers)and it will leave curriculum,discipline rules,and enrollment standards/expectations in the hands of your local and state school boards-where they belong.
I'm unclear as to what thoughts this post is supposed to evoke. The responsibility for public schools has rested on localized government since just after the idea of public schools went nationwide. AND the funding of public schools has ALWAYS relied HEAVILY on... wait for it... PROPERTY TAXES. The way I see/read/hear it, the public wants all the say regarding education (I agree with this)... without paying for that last word (I don't agree with this). It's a very interesting p.o.v..

If I'm reading your post correctly, no funding for education will come from the FED... as the FED would no longer be responsible for public education. How will the towns/cities/counties/states.. . with their new "bloated local bureaucracy, thus, many more government employees"... pay for those schools? The public, at least here, seems to be crying out for privatized education. Well, who has the final say on those private, non-profit organizations and what they do or do not? The ONLY TIME in American history in which ALL EDUCATION was private... is also the ONLY TIME only the rich were educated. We were still a group of colonies, then. And most educated people were not educated on these shores.

It looks as though we have a lot of work to do, if we were really to think about your post.

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