Since: Mar 08

Traverse City, MI

#21 Apr 26, 2008
I don't know anyhting about this stuff but if that was me and mt kids I would go after the family, I don't mean fighting them put hit them whereit hurts them in the pocket book. If they have almost killed your child I would be going after them and in stead of getting money I would demand thqm to say sorry. And if that parent of the youngest teen has to pull the plug on her child then maybe they should have that Justin kid after he is convicted should send that mom a card and a dollar every year on her childs birthday. And Larry Bruening I'm so sorry about your daughter.
Proud Parent

Traverse City, MI

#22 Apr 26, 2008
resident wrote:
Sad truth is the driver did attend the funeral of a very close friend and it seems it didnt work, its amazing isnt it? like he doesnt have a concience.... and he isnt a good student or working man in society so I think putting him in prison where he cant harm anyone is the best choice, he is too much of a cowardly weasle to be fighting for our country.
Maybe he is a "weasle" as you say- but many of our good citizens are put into the front lines and are losing their lives to defend our country while our "not so good citizens" sit in a jail cell and have our hard earned tax dollars pay for their very existance (only to be put back into society after a said amount of time-to repeatedly cause more crimes/devestation) Why not have these people go through a "bootcamp" training and send them out in the frontlines of our wars first, before our "good citizens." If somehow they make it through hopefully they will come back a changed person- it is far better than having them sit in a jail cell and knowing we are paying their way.
Proud Parent

Traverse City, MI

#23 Apr 26, 2008
james w wrote:
Heres some ideas to think about ,the court system just wants these kids on probation to suck the parents dry for court fees if they really gave a damm they would have just one fee to cover a supevised night at a prison to show these kids what really happens when you run out of chances,every kid that takes drivers training should have to ride along with an emt crew to see what its like to see the gore that comes with some car accidents,and also ride along with local police so they can see first hand what its like when a parent is told that there child is never coming home.And if a kid is given an m.i.p ticket along with the fine they should have to attend an autopsy .This would make the point come across more clearly than any speech or movie ever could.
This is absolutely the kind of lasting impression we need to make for our teens...Of course it won't work for some- but it would work for many, and the consequense...more lives saved as a result!!!
Proud Parent

Traverse City, MI

#24 Apr 26, 2008
dont know wrote:
I don't know anyhting about this stuff but if that was me and mt kids I would go after the family, I don't mean fighting them put hit them whereit hurts them in the pocket book. If they have almost killed your child I would be going after them and in stead of getting money I would demand thqm to say sorry. And if that parent of the youngest teen has to pull the plug on her child then maybe they should have that Justin kid after he is convicted should send that mom a card and a dollar every year on her childs birthday. And Larry Bruening I'm so sorry about your daughter.
Their are a couple of problems with your theory:

1. A dollar? A childs life is worth so much more, and for a person who took their life to only have to revisit that once a year- what about the remaining 363 days in the year that that poor mom has to go without her child?

2. Making a family suffer for something a teen who is close to being an adult has done, doesn't solve anything. Teens have a mind of their own- you cannot blame their families; great parents are known to have children who mess up royally as well- you cannot always control another persons actions. Those parents didn't tell their child to drive fast and careless; they probably gave him lectures to do just the opposite- the teen didn't listen. I am sure we all can remember times when we, as teens didn't listen to our parents- some of us could even go as far as to say we were lucky that a. we weren't caught. b. we made it through alive and without too many scabs. c. we didn't endanger someone else in the process. It is time we stop blaming and taking things out on the parents for the mistakes their teens are making- we need to hold these teens accountable in a way that teaches them if they choose to mess up there will be consequences. Stop making our society have to pay for them by footing their bill in their jail (hotel) and have them serve our country because of the choices they personally have made-especially for the repeat offenders.

Since: Mar 08

Traverse City, MI

#25 Apr 26, 2008
Proud Parent wrote:
<quoted text>
Their are a couple of problems with your theory:
1. A dollar? A childs life is worth so much more, and for a person who took their life to only have to revisit that once a year- what about the remaining 363 days in the year that that poor mom has to go without her child?
2. Making a family suffer for something a teen who is close to being an adult has done, doesn't solve anything. Teens have a mind of their own- you cannot blame their families; great parents are known to have children who mess up royally as well- you cannot always control another persons actions. Those parents didn't tell their child to drive fast and careless; they probably gave him lectures to do just the opposite- the teen didn't listen. I am sure we all can remember times when we, as teens didn't listen to our parents- some of us could even go as far as to say we were lucky that a. we weren't caught. b. we made it through alive and without too many scabs. c. we didn't endanger someone else in the process. It is time we stop blaming and taking things out on the parents for the mistakes their teens are making- we need to hold these teens accountable in a way that teaches them if they choose to mess up there will be consequences. Stop making our society have to pay for them by footing their bill in their jail (hotel) and have them serve our country because of the choices they personally have made-especially for the repeat offenders.
Well if your idea "proud Parent" is to give this not very smart kid a gun then I guess you have a really BIG problem. And when he gets out of the military then he can live next to you. 2. The theory behind the dollar or what ever amount it is is that the stupid kid never forgets the stupid thing that he has done ever he is reminded every single year or hopefully every single day because if he gets prison time he will eventually get out and then he will carry on with his life (if he doesn't get life) and that poor family of the kid in a coma will never see their child get married or have them have kids or anything and thats is what I meant. I didn't mean that the kid is only worth a doolar !!!!

Since: Mar 08

Traverse City, MI

#26 Apr 26, 2008
and also If this is not the kids first problem than there needed to be an intervention before this kid killed someone so I guess If that had been my kid that I would have done something if that meant not gettting him a car or what ever then that is what it meant. I sure would have taken away his lisence because he is under 18 right he IS NOT AN ADULT right he is his parents responsiblity. and in the last word of of my last statement I ment dollar
resident

Traverse City, MI

#27 Apr 26, 2008
Proud Parent wrote:
<quoted text>
Their are a couple of problems with your theory:
1. A dollar? A childs life is worth so much more, and for a person who took their life to only have to revisit that once a year- what about the remaining 363 days in the year that that poor mom has to go without her child?
2. Making a family suffer for something a teen who is close to being an adult has done, doesn't solve anything. Teens have a mind of their own- you cannot blame their families; great parents are known to have children who mess up royally as well- you cannot always control another persons actions. Those parents didn't tell their child to drive fast and careless; they probably gave him lectures to do just the opposite- the teen didn't listen. I am sure we all can remember times when we, as teens didn't listen to our parents- some of us could even go as far as to say we were lucky that a. we weren't caught. b. we made it through alive and without too many scabs. c. we didn't endanger someone else in the process. It is time we stop blaming and taking things out on the parents for the mistakes their teens are making- we need to hold these teens accountable in a way that teaches them if they choose to mess up there will be consequences. Stop making our society have to pay for them by footing their bill in their jail (hotel) and have them serve our country because of the choices they personally have made-especially for the repeat offenders.
I know the parents and this kid and they are completly responsible for these spoiled brats, they buy their way out of court and then buy them new cars when they crash their other ones. I dont hold parents accountable for all thier kids actions but in this case, they made the social retard so they should pay for him. And as far as him going to prison, I am hoping he gets raped and beat by bigger men everyday.
Proud Parent

Traverse City, MI

#28 Apr 26, 2008
My opinion shouldn't cause such anger- If this "almost" adult were held accountable the first time he messed up he may not have had the opportunity to become a repeat offender in the first place. I agree- parents should not be able to have any say, money or whatever when it comes to seeking justice for their child-it should be up to the judge-not a matter of large pocketbooks. This child will not get life in prison though, because he is a minor, therefore in a few years with good behavior he possibly could become your neighbor...being that he won't have had any form of rehabilitation in our prison system you can pretty much be assured he will come out worse than when he went in, especially if he is beaten and raped as suggested. He will now be a very angry criminal who may be living in your community. Our system is flawed- it promotes hardened criminals, it does nothing to change who they are when they are done. Our Military promotes respect- people are trained to become men and respect authourity or there are consequences. A part of having a "prisoner" serve our country would be that they would be serving our country for the same amount of time they would be sentenced to a prison, therefore-if they came back alive, and that would be a big if since they would be on the very front lines- they would hopefully come back with a better view and more respect for authority- something prisoners do not find in prison. As a person holding a Military position, he would be supervised with his weapon-and reprimended for misconduct. Why not try to make a better man out of this child instead of throwing him into a hole with a bunch of hardened criminals and then letting him out later with all his pent up anger?
I won't even comment on the rest "don't know" I wasn't trying to bring out all that anger in you, I just think that as the parent that I am-receiving a card with a dollar in it every year from someone who took my childs life would only make me more bitter. My opinion.(And yes, I would rather live next to someone who had seved our country and was released after his sentence of time than live next to someone who was released from prison.)
Aussie

Oxford, MI

#29 Apr 26, 2008
My son, who is now 33, would have been motherless 19 years ago if I had died as a result of drunk 20 year old driver in middle of workday in Rochester. Driver admitted to drinking in the ambulance with me. I heard him and EMT's heard him. I had just dropped of my son at his first job. 14 years old, at the Great Scott. He was not given a breathalizer or bloodlevel bc he had a minor head injury.. I was nearly paralized, had bone fusion surgery and had to recoup at a loss of work for 3 months. Cost me thousands of $$$,yes, we received some money from ins, but the boy at fault had no real conseqences. He had been drinking at his parents home at 3;30 thurs aft.
No Consequencs!! a ticket.... when i came to... a passerby had come to my aide and held my head till help arrived. I had a broken neck!
Why does our system bend over backwards to dot the I's and cross the T's to help the perpitrators?. Why are the victims the neglected ones that pay all the consequences? no, we have all learned that life isnt fair. YOu will only find fair under F in the dictionary! But It is a terrible injustice for these families to suffer financial hardships to clean up the pain the perp has caused. The boys family that is in the coma is in my prayers and Larry's family is also. These two families are still dealing with the consequences of a lack of "consequences" for this boy.
Ms Hannigan

Elk Rapids, MI

#30 Apr 26, 2008
For those who think the family of Justin do not care you are wrong. They do care about heir son but they also care about the people he has hurt and to potential victims in his future if he does not get the help he needs. They realize that they have made huge mistakes and also know that the legal system is no help. They have contacted an attorney for the right help. County jails do not provide help to anyone before they let them out. It is just a holding tank used for punishment not help. Even prison does not have many resources but it has more than the local facilities. Thesse kids/adults need skills for dealing with their addictions and lack of education. I agree that the military would be nice but that is not realistic. There is nothing in our laws to enforce that idea. These forums are a nice place to use for a bitch-fest but they solve nothing. If you want to write something and have it be used constructively, why don't we all write to the Judge hearing the case. Tell him what you have to say. Write to the prosecutor and demand justice. They are both elected officials and what the public thinks does matter to them. Enough letters will make a difference. All those addresses are in the phone book. I am not sure which county this will be heard in- Kalkaska or Antrim. Anyone know?
Proud Parent

Traverse City, MI

#31 Apr 26, 2008
Aussie wrote:
My son, who is now 33, would have been motherless 19 years ago if I had died as a result of drunk 20 year old driver in middle of workday in Rochester. Driver admitted to drinking in the ambulance with me. I heard him and EMT's heard him. I had just dropped of my son at his first job. 14 years old, at the Great Scott. He was not given a breathalizer or bloodlevel bc he had a minor head injury.. I was nearly paralized, had bone fusion surgery and had to recoup at a loss of work for 3 months. Cost me thousands of $$$,yes, we received some money from ins, but the boy at fault had no real conseqences. He had been drinking at his parents home at 3;30 thurs aft.
No Consequencs!! a ticket.... when i came to... a passerby had come to my aide and held my head till help arrived. I had a broken neck!
Why does our system bend over backwards to dot the I's and cross the T's to help the perpitrators?. Why are the victims the neglected ones that pay all the consequences? no, we have all learned that life isnt fair. YOu will only find fair under F in the dictionary! But It is a terrible injustice for these families to suffer financial hardships to clean up the pain the perp has caused. The boys family that is in the coma is in my prayers and Larry's family is also. These two families are still dealing with the consequences of a lack of "consequences" for this boy.
You nailed it Aussie with your closing statements! This boy needs consequences!!! Yes, if he is a minor his parents need to also come forward to help the suffering families with medical expenses, and if they haven't the cash to do that they should come up with some serious fundraising ideas and get them emplimented- this would at least show the families in need they have a conscience and want to help...But it is the boy who needs consequences-he was the driver and he was taught right from wrong, if not from his parents he at least learned it in drivers training. He made the choice to drive fast and careless. Prison, is just a place to stay though-and like Larry stated; "it does buy time to calm those raging hormones" It doesn't make this boy a better or reformed person when he comes back out though-our reform system sucks, basically. Most teens who go through the system come back out within a few years, bitter, angry and with a record a mile long that doesn't win them any kind of job, future or pot to piss in- without hope, more crime will surely follow. It may seem like justice to some, but who will be the next victem? There has to be a better was to give consequences and reform these kids- there are just far too many of them messing up in this day and age-
Proud Parent

Traverse City, MI

#32 Apr 26, 2008
Ms Hannigan wrote:
For those who think the family of Justin do not care you are wrong. They do care about heir son but they also care about the people he has hurt and to potential victims in his future if he does not get the help he needs. They realize that they have made huge mistakes and also know that the legal system is no help. They have contacted an attorney for the right help. County jails do not provide help to anyone before they let them out. It is just a holding tank used for punishment not help. Even prison does not have many resources but it has more than the local facilities. Thesse kids/adults need skills for dealing with their addictions and lack of education. I agree that the military would be nice but that is not realistic. There is nothing in our laws to enforce that idea. These forums are a nice place to use for a bitch-fest but they solve nothing. If you want to write something and have it be used constructively, why don't we all write to the Judge hearing the case. Tell him what you have to say. Write to the prosecutor and demand justice. They are both elected officials and what the public thinks does matter to them. Enough letters will make a difference. All those addresses are in the phone book. I am not sure which county this will be heard in- Kalkaska or Antrim. Anyone know?
Exactly, and yes- military would be a better option and I personally don't understand why they don't use this for troubled teens.(Obviously not for hardened criminals) These teens get nothing from time spent in prison except an education from other criminals. To make a real difference they do need a better peer group, not a worse one. I feel for the suffering families more than I can say, I also feel for the family of this boy too, because when your child goes to prison you also lose the child you loved- he will never be close to the same again.
Ms Hannigan

Elk Rapids, MI

#33 Apr 26, 2008
I actually do have a family member in prison. He was sentenced to 12-20 years and has served less than half. We were estranged prior to his incarceration due to his drinking. I lost the brother I loved long before he got in trouble but he has come back and I am so proud of him. The first few years he was there he was still angry at the world, insisting that it was him who was wronged. In the last year he has turned completely around. When he does get out I have every bit of faith that he will never return. He will be a productive citizen and I will gladly welcome him back home. I can give some credit to prison for his change of tune but it was mostly due to him, alone in a cell for a very long time, with nothing else to do but think. He could have stayed angry but lucky for him (and me) he picked up a bible and remembered the foundation of christian faith we all had been given as children. I know some may poo-poo me bringing up the bible, but it has helped me thru the worst times of my life and it helped my brother. That is just my example of hope. What Justin finds and how he finds it, I don't know. But for his families sake I hope there are better days ahead AFTER some consequenses are paid for the suffering he has caused. I do not believe enough time can be spent in the county jail (12 months max) to do him any good.
student

AOL

#34 Apr 26, 2008
Ms Hannigan wrote:
For those who think the family of Justin do not care you are wrong. They do care about heir son but they also care about the people he has hurt and to potential victims in his future if he does not get the help he needs. They realize that they have made huge mistakes and also know that the legal system is no help. They have contacted an attorney for the right help. County jails do not provide help to anyone before they let them out. It is just a holding tank used for punishment not help. Even prison does not have many resources but it has more than the local facilities. Thesse kids/adults need skills for dealing with their addictions and lack of education. I agree that the military would be nice but that is not realistic. There is nothing in our laws to enforce that idea. These forums are a nice place to use for a bitch-fest but they solve nothing. If you want to write something and have it be used constructively, why don't we all write to the Judge hearing the case. Tell him what you have to say. Write to the prosecutor and demand justice. They are both elected officials and what the public thinks does matter to them. Enough letters will make a difference. All those addresses are in the phone book. I am not sure which county this will be heard in- Kalkaska or Antrim. Anyone know?
I thought you said you didnt know the family,you seem to have nothing more to do than sit on your ass and play Ann Landers all day.Let me give you a bielski family history lesson,3 boys justin-youngest,joe 20-middle-john-24 oldest,these boys have been in trouble for years and have never been held accountable by mom or pop.In fact its everybody eles fault if youy ask mommy .Justin,jesus,nick,and james were part of a burglry ring that broke into alot of places and stole thousands of dollars of stuff,how do i know,it was on the news and there convictions can be looked up on the otis web site.Baby jusin just didnt make a mistake,years of no punishment and 2 older brothers running wild taught him well.When you take your children out in public and they misbehave you as a parent need to correct them,thats where mommy and daddy bielski need to be held accountable as well.Joe,middle child has been in trouble for multiple drinking violations and just recently got charged with a drinking and driving offense.No come on this kid has no job so theres a prime example of the parents being a crutch as who pays for the insurance for these boys.Lets not forget about john who as we speak is serving a 3 to 22 year sentance for home invasion i belive,but anyone can check on that.1 kid in trouble ,well every one has someone in there family who isnt perfect but all three to have commited so much crime that most people will never get into goes back to the parents.You cant tell me for one second that the parents had no idea what the kids were doing,but they still bought cars ,no curfews,and by the looks of it should have given these boys a spanking but now it may be to late and the one whos left to give these boys a swat on the fanny just might be a big buck named bubba
Proud Parent

Traverse City, MI

#35 Apr 27, 2008
I think most families have experienced having a relative in prison- for us it was a nephew; He kept repeating offences and going back. This all started as a teen and he is now almost thiry (this month) a father; and has been out of jail this time since November. He came from a single parent who loved him and tried to do right by him- unfortunately his father decided (apon hearing he had a child on the way)to not be a part of this persons life. He never had a male athority such as a father to learn to respect and I believe this has contributed to his lack of common sense that consistanly seems to help him get back into troubls as well as look for approval from undesirable male influences. Is he reformed? I think not- he has caused my sister more heartache than one could say. Prison has done nothing for him except to expose him to a bunch of hardened assholes who have filled his head with a bunch of crap that hasn't helped him a bit. He now is someones nieghbor because our system holds them, and releases them as quickly as they can- they don't have the funds to keep them any longer than they have to, and funds for education are being dropped left and right as well. Prison hasn't helped him to become a good stand up citizen- he cannot even find a job. People don't want to give him another chance- even his parents have tired of his b.s., so guess what...We not only paid for his and alot of other inmates stay during prison, but they come out having to go on welfare and we continue to pay their way- a good fix; I think not. Occassionally yes, a prisoner gets in touch with their religious side (yes, my nephew did that too, and talked many great stories about how different his life would be on the outside) however; when a prisoner gets out of jail they realize how much they have missed and that they can't get work, they can't get those years back and they have had zero help in learning how to deal with life on the outside and giving up the dreams you once had for yourself because now years have passed, you have a record and society doesn't want to give you a chance- not to mention economy. Troubled "teen" need a different option such as the military- where they at least have a chance of coming back with a better outlook, a better record, reform, and a chance to give back to a society that has had to pay their way.
Proud Parent

Traverse City, MI

#36 Apr 27, 2008
The other side of prison is depression- you try sitting in a room for one week- with no contact from those you love, with no t.v., and a very bland diet- yes, you'll do alot of soul searching alright, but I hardly think this will be a great earth moving experience for you- you won't be able to wait to get back to your life- now try this for years and imagine the depression you will feel-now bring that out into the world and go on as if it never happened at all... Prison is not an answer. It doesn't breed better citizens- it breeds hardened criminals who have no hope.
larry bruening

Petoskey, MI

#37 Apr 27, 2008
Ms Hannigan wrote:
For those who think the family of Justin do not care you are wrong. They do care about heir son but they also care about the people he has hurt and to potential victims in his future if he does not get the help he needs. They realize that they have made huge mistakes and also know that the legal system is no help. They have contacted an attorney for the right help. County jails do not provide help to anyone before they let them out. It is just a holding tank used for punishment not help. Even prison does not have many resources but it has more than the local facilities. Thesse kids/adults need skills for dealing with their addictions and lack of education. I agree that the military would be nice but that is not realistic. There is nothing in our laws to enforce that idea. These forums are a nice place to use for a bitch-fest but they solve nothing. If you want to write something and have it be used constructively, why don't we all write to the Judge hearing the case. Tell him what you have to say. Write to the prosecutor and demand justice. They are both elected officials and what the public thinks does matter to them. Enough letters will make a difference. All those addresses are in the phone book. I am not sure which county this will be heard in- Kalkaska or Antrim. Anyone know?
I did send a letter to the Judge. If you write a letter make sure you do a follow up call. Lots of letters are screened and may never make it.
larry bruening

Petoskey, MI

#38 Apr 27, 2008
student wrote:
<quoted text>I thought you said you didnt know the family,you seem to have nothing more to do than sit on your ass and play Ann Landers all day.Let me give you a bielski family history lesson,3 boys justin-youngest,joe 20-middle-john-24 oldest,these boys have been in trouble for years and have never been held accountable by mom or pop.In fact its everybody eles fault if youy ask mommy .Justin,jesus,nick,and james were part of a burglry ring that broke into alot of places and stole thousands of dollars of stuff,how do i know,it was on the news and there convictions can be looked up on the otis web site.Baby jusin just didnt make a mistake,years of no punishment and 2 older brothers running wild taught him well.When you take your children out in public and they misbehave you as a parent need to correct them,thats where mommy and daddy bielski need to be held accountable as well.Joe,middle child has been in trouble for multiple drinking violations and just recently got charged with a drinking and driving offense.No come on this kid has no job so theres a prime example of the parents being a crutch as who pays for the insurance for these boys.Lets not forget about john who as we speak is serving a 3 to 22 year sentance for home invasion i belive,but anyone can check on that.1 kid in trouble ,well every one has someone in there family who isnt perfect but all three to have commited so much crime that most people will never get into goes back to the parents.You cant tell me for one second that the parents had no idea what the kids were doing,but they still bought cars ,no curfews,and by the looks of it should have given these boys a spanking but now it may be to late and the one whos left to give these boys a swat on the fanny just might be a big buck named bubba
Please explain who Broke into these places James. Are you sure? The fact is they lied about Jim being there so that he would be included in restitution costs. So lets blame the attorneys on that one. Real Clever huh. I don't think Jim Could fool a lie Detector test Which he passed. Now nick,Jesus,and Justin start passing around these stolen items to other kids and they think its like accepting something from E-Bay, they don't realise its wrong. Now you say Jim should have gone to the Police, Would you go to them after what our fine police officers did to his family for 12 years. Ask Roseanne B. Koop Roggenback Judge Hayes. Franks, Phelps.
student

AOL

#39 Apr 27, 2008
The green river killer passed a lie detector test ,that dosent mean shit.James is as cool as the other side of my pillow but come on Mr.B,how many countys did jim get charged in ,some without justin and jesus.Ive talked to jimbo and he told me things that maybe you do or do not know of.This site is about a useless hood named justin but dont sit here and make jimbo out to be this victim.Lie detector tests can be fooled its a proven fact,they can make innocent people look guitly.So jim was never at a boat storage up north or at justins bosses house ,Larry your starting to sound like justins mother,this is part of the problem with these kids ,the parents want to belive that everyone else is the problem not my baby.
student

AOL

#40 Apr 27, 2008
Wow i dont understand ,according to the michigan department of corrections James took a plea in emmit,charleviox,and grand traverse,to reciving stolen property.Those other guys must be good liars or maybe you should get your money back from that lawyer,Like i said Larry parents are the part of the problem.

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