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#70458 Aug 3, 2012
Sam I Am wrote:
New topic for debate. So, parents of a 12-yr.-old hearing-impaired girl are suing the Girl Scouts because they disbanded the girl's troop. The GS had been paying to have an interpreter attend GS functions. Apparently there are federal guidelines requiring non-profit organizations to accommodate disabilities to an extent as long as it does not place an undue financial burden on the organization. So the mother is claiming the GS disbanded the troop in retaliation for the mother's demand that the GS keep paying for the interpreter. Interpreters cost around $50-60/hr.
My first thought was that it was nice of the GS to pay for the interpreter. Then I got to the end of the article where it said "[The mother] said her family of six relies on her husband's income as an inventory purchaser and can't afford the expense of an interpreter for her daughter." If you can't afford the expense, then why did you have SIX kids? It is ridiculous to me when people have more kids than they can afford, then expect the world to help pay for it. I don't want the girl to suffer because her parents are idiots, but there is nothing saying the girl has to be in the GS, and I am sick of idiots sloughing the consequences of their poor decisions off on other people.
Thoughts?
1. I agree that if you can't afford them, don't have them.

2. Was it the GS paying or was it that troupe? This would make a difference to me I think because I think that GS as an overall organization could afford it, but maybe that particular troupe can't.

3. OTOH life isn't fair and people aren't always going to accommodate whatever special thing an individual has either because they don't want to or can't. <shrug>
PEllen

Chicago, IL

#70459 Aug 3, 2012
Toj wrote:
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I am a free speech supporter. To me, though, people burying someone and being in that situation, to hear the things some protestors say, I think, equate to someone yelling FIRE when there isn't one. Also, it is their private grieving. Yes, you have to be in public to get to the funeral home, the cemetery, etc. but it is a very private thing.
It could incite a riot. I could see a mourning beating the crap out of someone.
There are times for the greater good you can't say whatever you want at whatever time you want. For me, this might fall into that category.
Good or bad, for or against, I just don't think funerals should be used for demonstration purposes, or at least not within 300 or more yards away.
I probably could be persuaded because I'm not cemented to this, but it's how I'm thinking now.
The right to free speech is balanced against the right to be left alone, a concept which the SCOTUS has endorsed as being inherent in the Constitution. In bg cities there are occasional sound trucks which drive around blaring messages which people cannot get away from. The Court has allowed regulation of teh db levels of those trucks without touching the contents of teh message. Seems to me they could do something similar to WBC

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Since: Feb 09

Neda, stay with me! Charlie

#70460 Aug 3, 2012
I knew somebody would have my idea! To me, it is a no brainer. teach them all sigh and give them a badge. Local news will gobble it up.
squishymama wrote:
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2. This seems like a great opportunity for the troup to learn sign language. There might even be a badge for it.

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#70461 Aug 3, 2012
RACE wrote:
I knew somebody would have my idea! To me, it is a no brainer. teach them all sigh and give them a badge. Local news will gobble it up.
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I agree.

Since: Aug 08

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#70462 Aug 3, 2012
RACE wrote:
I knew somebody would have my idea! To me, it is a no brainer. teach them all sigh and give them a badge. Local news will gobble it up.
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How easy is it to learn sign language? I mean how much of the troops time is this going to occupy?

Since: Feb 10

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#70463 Aug 3, 2012
Toj wrote:
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I am a free speech supporter. To me, though, people burying someone and being in that situation, to hear the things some protestors say, I think, equate to someone yelling FIRE when there isn't one. Also, it is their private grieving. Yes, you have to be in public to get to the funeral home, the cemetery, etc. but it is a very private thing.
It could incite a riot. I could see a mourning beating the crap out of someone.
There are times for the greater good you can't say whatever you want at whatever time you want. For me, this might fall into that category.
Good or bad, for or against, I just don't think funerals should be used for demonstration purposes, or at least not within 300 or more yards away.
I probably could be persuaded because I'm not cemented to this, but it's how I'm thinking now.
As I said before, emotionally, I agree with you. They are horrible people and they should have the decency to leave people alone while they bury their dead.
But the fact that their words could incite a riot are not justification, to me, to take their freedom of speech. Civil rights workers could have, and indeed did, incite riots with their words that black Americans had the same rights as white Americans. The only difference I see is that I agree with them and disagree with the WBC.

“A Programmer is not in IT!”

Since: Feb 09

Neda, stay with me! Charlie

#70464 Aug 3, 2012
How easy? No badge worth earning is easy.
My sister had a deaf friend. She would come over sometimes, and my sister knew enough sign, and the kid could read lips well enough that they got along fine. I believe they met at a horse riding school or something.

I would imaging learning sign would take several weeks (meeting once a week), but with a deaf person to actually teach you, it would not be too difficult.
Sublime1 wrote:
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How easy is it to learn sign language? I mean how much of the troops time is this going to occupy?

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Since: Dec 08

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#70465 Aug 3, 2012
More parents of the decade candidates.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-19068490

“A Programmer is not in IT!”

Since: Feb 09

Neda, stay with me! Charlie

#70466 Aug 3, 2012
somebody is stealing my great idea.
http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article...

Since: Feb 10

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#70467 Aug 3, 2012
RACE wrote:
somebody is stealing my great idea.
http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article...
It's your own fault. We told you to put the tinfoil hat back on your head and leave it there!

Since: Aug 08

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#70468 Aug 3, 2012
RACE wrote:
How easy? No badge worth earning is easy.
My sister had a deaf friend. She would come over sometimes, and my sister knew enough sign, and the kid could read lips well enough that they got along fine. I believe they met at a horse riding school or something.
I would imaging learning sign would take several weeks (meeting once a week), but with a deaf person to actually teach you, it would not be too difficult.
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This lady said she's been learning it for 4.5 years and makes it sound as if it is as difficult as learning a verbal language.

I still think even with that, you are going to be dropping 60 bucks a week on an interpreter for some time.

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#70469 Aug 3, 2012

“A Programmer is not in IT!”

Since: Feb 09

Neda, stay with me! Charlie

#70470 Aug 3, 2012
What about camping and jamborees or retreats. Should they hire someone 24/7 for a week? Even when the kid is sleeping?
Sublime1 wrote:
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This lady said she's been learning it for 4.5 years and makes it sound as if it is as difficult as learning a verbal language.
I still think even with that, you are going to be dropping 60 bucks a week on an interpreter for some time.

“A Programmer is not in IT!”

Since: Feb 09

Neda, stay with me! Charlie

#70471 Aug 3, 2012
Here is a googled site. click on a word and it shows the sign for it.
Kids being as adaptable as they are, should not have too much trouble picking up enough to tease each other.
Sublime1 wrote:

“A Programmer is not in IT!”

Since: Feb 09

Neda, stay with me! Charlie

#70472 Aug 3, 2012

“A Programmer is not in IT!”

Since: Feb 09

Neda, stay with me! Charlie

#70473 Aug 3, 2012
I thought that was only for the other stuff...
itser wrote:
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It's your own fault. We told you to put the tinfoil hat back on your head and leave it there!

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#70475 Aug 3, 2012
RACE wrote:
I thought that was only for the other stuff...
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Sorry Dude...they are taking everything.

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#70476 Aug 3, 2012
Just woke up from a five-hour nap.

You know you're sick whe you sleep away the better part of a gorgeous summer day.

“reign in blood”

Since: May 09

Wilmington, IL

#70477 Aug 3, 2012
Gorgeous? Maybe in Minnesota. It's almost a hundred degrees here. I'm sick too and I've been working over time in this sht. Sucks to work when you're sick. Sucks worse to work in the HEAT when you're sick. Sucks even WORSE to work LONG HOURS in the heat when you're sick!

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#70478 Aug 3, 2012
Sublime1 wrote:
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This lady said she's been learning it for 4.5 years and makes it sound as if it is as difficult as learning a verbal language.
I still think even with that, you are going to be dropping 60 bucks a week on an interpreter for some time.
In spite of myself I learned a couple of things in that linguistics class I took last quarter. ASL is a full natural language just the same as English, Spanish, Japanese, etc., with syntax and rules of language. Ergo...it's the same as learning a foreign language, any foreign language, because it is a foreign language.

However, children up to age 13 have the (overall, in general) easiest time learning second, third, fourth, whatever...languages. After about thirteen, our brains begin to lock out the ability to easily learn language.

I've given this some thought and I think in the larger scheme of things, it's patently ridiculous for an organization like GS to be expected to shell out that kind of cash every week to the benefit of one person.

I mean ramps on sidewalks and at building entrances, the audible crosswalk signals, etc., benefit a larger population on the whole so are both necessary and "worth" whatever the expense, plus it's the right thing to do. One person getting a benefit to the detriment of others (because taking that much cash every single week is a financial detriment to the troupe overall) is asking too much.

If the mom wants her in GS so freaking badly then she should find a way to either be, get, and/or afford a private interpreter. We all have our crosses to bear, life isn't fair, and this is they hand they were dealt and THEY need to deal with it.

That said, the troupe should have looked into something like Squishy (?) said and had someone from the deaf community...some organization come in and help interpret for free/reduced fee and/or helped the kids to learn ASL which would be a benefit to all of the kids AND would count as a foreign language credit for college. Win/win/win.

But no, they had to call in the lawyers. <smfh>

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