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The KJV vs NIV,NASB,NLT , etc . Which Bible Is Gods Word?

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GodsOutlaw1964

Since: Mar 10

Charlottesville, VA

#1 Apr 4, 2010
Gods Grace and Peace. I guess this is as good as place as any to start a thread on a Controversial subject.

But I'm 101% King James Version, and have found anything outside of the KJV is a counterfeit.
one example,

1 Tim.3:16 (KJV)'And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh,'

1 Tim. 3:16 (NIV, NASB, etc)'Beyond all question, the mystery of godliness is great:
He appeared in a body'.

The Noun ( A Person,Place,or thing )'God' is changed to a Pronoun ( Describes a Person, Place, or Thing) to 'He'
'He' could mean anyone.

Since: Mar 10

Location hidden

#2 Apr 6, 2010
GodsOutlaw1964 wrote:
Gods Grace and Peace. I guess this is as good as place as any to start a thread on a Controversial subject.
But I'm 101% King James Version, and have found anything outside of the KJV is a counterfeit.
one example,
1 Tim.3:16 (KJV)'And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh,'
1 Tim. 3:16 (NIV, NASB, etc)'Beyond all question, the mystery of godliness is great:
He appeared in a body'.
The Noun ( A Person,Place,or thing )'God' is changed to a Pronoun ( Describes a Person, Place, or Thing) to 'He'
'He' could mean anyone.
This is an important topic to discuss. I have a couple of examples as well where the NASB leaves out extremely important words and phrases changing the meanings.

Examples:

1 John 5:7 KJV "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one." NASB "And it is the Spirit who bears witness, because the Spirit is the truth." [b]NASB totally changes the meaning of the verse, leaving out the Father and the Word (Jesus) and has only one witness instead of three. This is leaving out the trinity.[/b]

1 John 5:13 KJV "These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God." NASB "These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, in order that you may know that you have eternal life." [b]NASB leaves out the last 13 words of the verse (underlined) that speak of putting our faith in Christ.[/b]

GodsOutlaw1964

Since: Mar 10

Charlottesville, VA

#3 Apr 7, 2010
Chars_web wrote:
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This is an important topic to discuss. I have a couple of examples as well where the NASB leaves out extremely important words and phrases changing the meanings.
Examples:
1 John 5:7 KJV "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one." NASB "And it is the Spirit who bears witness, because the Spirit is the truth." [b]NASB totally changes the meaning of the verse, leaving out the Father and the Word (Jesus) and has only one witness instead of three. This is leaving out the trinity.[/b]
1 John 5:13 KJV "These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God." NASB "These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, in order that you may know that you have eternal life." [b]NASB leaves out the last 13 words of the verse (underlined) that speak of putting our faith in Christ.[/b]
I couldn't agree more. This a topic that means very little to anyone these days.

even in light of these inconsistencies that run rampont in these counterfeit versions.

Paul put it best when he stated in 2 Cor. 2:17 (KJV)'For we are not as many, which corrupt the word of God:...'
jenny

Buena Vista, VA

#4 May 17, 2010
learn hebrew and aramic my friends
rpjok

Bellingham, WA

#6 Dec 19, 2010
so which version follows the greek the best? which version do scholars regard as the best? if pronouns are used in the greek and kjv substitutes them for proper names, what other 'changes might there be'.
fartin onions

Charlottesville, VA

#7 Dec 19, 2010
well...in the original greek/ hebrew, the word "Hell" didn't exist. There are 4 different words that were all translated to mean, "Hell."

Hades, sheol, gehenna, and tartaros were all translated to be "Hell."

Hades is the underworld were ALL go after death. Sheol means--basically--the ground.

Gehenna is the site initially where apostate Israelites and followers of various Ba'als and false gods, including Moloch, sacrificed their children by fire. Later on, if I'm not mistaken, dead bodies of those executed by the state were thrown there and burned.

What reasons do you have for believing that the KJV is the most ultimate translation? I'm with Jenny...most of the new Testament was written in greek...you can buy the original greek with literal translations beside the original. The OT is hebrew...so just learn hebrew....or buy a literal translation guide.
KJV the only real bible

Springfield, TN

#8 May 1, 2011
Need I say more
Srs bsns

United States

#9 May 3, 2011
Funny that so many Christians love their King James Version bible...the bible that was translated by a homosexual, which 'god' is not okay with.

Go figure.
Srs bsns

United States

#10 May 3, 2011
And furthermore, none of them are 'gods' word. They are stories written by MEN, not any god. If 'god' had words, he'd speak them himself.
fartin onions

Gladys, VA

#11 May 3, 2011
the internet is full of trolls and idiots.
Srs bsns

United States

#12 May 3, 2011
Oh sir, I'm far from a troll or an idiot, but nice try. I'm entirely serious. Trolls are just looking for a response, any response.
fartin onions

Goode, VA

#13 May 4, 2011
you definitely aren't looking for a discussion. you seem to be interested in telling others why they are wrong...using no proof.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlation_does...
Srs bsns

Goode, VA

#14 May 4, 2011
Proof? You REALLY need proof?

Start here: http://www.infidels.org/library/historical/cl...

Then there's this guy:


The bible isn't exactly proof either. It is a book written BY MEN starting a couple of thousand years ago, then translated (sort of) several times. We don't know what kind of drugs they were on when these things supposedly happened to them. Hell, I had plenty of books about Santa Claus, but that doesn't make him real.
Srs bsns

Goode, VA

#15 May 4, 2011
Oh, and if you're talking about not having proof that King James was gay...look it up. It's well known.
INFORMATION

Goode, VA

#16 May 4, 2011
Srs bsns sounds like you are on your own drugs. It was written by men, inspired by God speaking to them. We will all know one day what is real and not. I have seen and heard pelnty in my life to KNOW that God is very real and the Bible is THE WORD OF GOD!!!!
glen b

United States

#17 May 5, 2011
If you fight over what bible is most accurate Satan has already won.God wrote his word in your heart even before creation,So why do you need to argue 26 six of the bibles I have on E-sword all agree to that,an they all agree to 1st. John 2-27 If your annointed (come under the covering of the Lord ) no man need to teach another. King James was just trying to justify his sinfull life where others risked theirs an even gave up their life for man could make up his own mind reading Gods inspired word.Tynesdale,Wycliffe.Scolla rs of the Geneva bible all good bibles an worthy of note.

Since: Nov 09

Wytheville Va.

#18 Jul 20, 2011
Srs bsns wrote:
Oh, and if you're talking about not having proof that King James was gay...look it up. It's well known.
I agree with you. It is fiction written by people to control others. If someone today was to write a book said to be inspired by "God" no one would believe it. Why is it so different from that? Why does so called "God" want us to believe in something yet give no firm proof of his existence? Your Christian God has conditional love, why is that? Do you as parents have conditional love for your children, or would you love them no matter what? If your child didn't worship the ground you walk on would you send them to eternal damnation, pain and suffering with no hope of reprieve? This is what your "God" does to his children. Worship at your own risk!

Since: Aug 11

Esmont, VA

#19 Aug 8, 2011
Just a point of fact, King James wanted the Bible to be translated out of the Latin version that the priests used, so that the common people could read it. Parts that he did not like or understand, he had thrown out or rewritten. He personally supervised the writing, and if one of the translators tried to tell him that their translations from Latin was accurate, he merely replaced them with another translator that would follow his orders. The KJV was not translated from the original languages, but from the Catholic church's Latin version. King James is credited for making English a true language that was learned by all, because faith was important to all families and they wanted to understand the Bible and be able to read it in their homes.

If you are interested in accuracy, then you really must go back to the original Hebrew and Greek that it was originally written in, and those are available online with direct translations. The point of the matter, though,is that you understand the context and message behind what is being said,not dissecting every word written. Use the Bible to become a better person, and live your life by what God wants you to do. Every translation says the same thing in essence, just some are easier to understand because they are written in either old English or modern American English.It is all about your personal preference when seeking spiritual guidance. None of them teaches you to sin, or be a bad Christian, and that is what we all need to remember.
Kevin

Scarborough, ME

#20 Sep 17, 2011
Srs bsns wrote:
Proof? You REALLY need proof?
Start here: http://www.infidels.org/library/historical/cl...
Then there's this guy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =vkXOwBIRX7YXX
The bible isn't exactly proof either. It is a book written BY MEN starting a couple of thousand years ago, then translated (sort of) several times. We don't know what kind of drugs they were on when these things supposedly happened to them. Hell, I had plenty of books about Santa Claus, but that doesn't make him real.
Seriously man, you crack me up. Do you have any idea how many historians refer to the Bible as documented history? Have you ever even read it? How more accurate could history be than when it's written down by the people it happened to? So are you saying that Israel wasn't divided into 2 separate kingdoms thousands of years ago? Was Solomon not the richest king who ever lived? Has Jesus not been documented in thousands of different manuscripts during the time he was alive and after He died - including those who aren't Christian writings? He was prophesied in the Old Testament and fulfilled every single prophecy that was written thousands of years before He came. I just don't see your basis of denying historical facts. Perhaps if you spent a little less time online looking at biased atheist articles and blogs you might actually have a clear conscience so you can come up with your own conclusions.
Kevin

Scarborough, ME

#21 Sep 17, 2011
Srs bsns, you need to check your facts.

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