Thursday Accident Shuts Down Interstate

Thursday Accident Shuts Down Interstate

There are 16 comments on the Public Opinion story from Sep 18, 2009, titled Thursday Accident Shuts Down Interstate. In it, Public Opinion reports that:

Interstate 81 southbound was closed for about two hours Thursday evening after a one-vehicle accident.

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accidents

Newark, DE

#1 Sep 18, 2009
Accidents are always a sad thing. Next: my question for anyone is: since so many of us use I-81, is there a place online which can tell us if there is a road closing before we leave only to end up sitting in a long line? I don't have a police scanner and wouldn't want the noise all the time.

Any online site anyone can recommend? Thanks in advance -- if so!
try this on for size

Hagerstown, MD

#2 Sep 18, 2009
brz

Gettysburg, PA

#3 Sep 18, 2009
Try
www.511pa.com
"Traffic conditions, delay data to be at 511"
http://www.publicopiniononline.com/search/ci_...
A Rational Person

Coatesville, PA

#4 Sep 18, 2009
What I would like to know is why can’t our Fire Police and State Police learn something about traffic management? I know there are all kinds of accidents on I-81. The problem as I see it, having been in traffic management before coming to PA, is once an accident happens on the I-81 corridor they panic and shut down everything.

There are several reasons this should not be don’t except when the accident fully blocks the road and if hazardous products are involved. Other accidents may be bad but there is no reason to shut the entire traffic flow down. Not to say that the folks that are involved in the accident aren’t having a bad day but there is no sense in creating another hazardous situation. This isn’t fair to the motorist traveling through and it definitely not fair to the citizens of Shippensburg, Chambersburg or Greencastle to have all of that traffic flowing through their towns causing another potential bad situation.

Every effort should be made to get the thoroughfare open to some traffic as quickly as possible. This will lessen the burden on the towns people and the persons using I-81. I know the arguments that I have gotten from the Fire Police before on this and it comes down to a basic understanding of just how critical a situation is. Even if just one lane of traffic is opened then that relieves the burden on the towns. If the accident itself is not blocking the roadway and the people involved in the accident have been taken care of it would be better to wait until traffic is not as heavy to remove the vehicles.

I have seen so many times that the entire roadway was shut down when the accident itself was as much as 25 yards off of the roadway. The emergency vehicles had more than ample room to have access to the scene yet no one was allowed to pass. This caused all of the north bound traffic to be diverted to RT 11 through Greencastle and ultimately Chambersburg. This caused up to 4 more fender benders that I counted as a result. Travelers were confused and lost within our towns and in just trying to get their bearings they caused additional tie ups. This type of situation is not good for the image of our county and towns.

I think the Fire Police do the best job they know how to do. I know that I will get some negative criticisms for my statements here but I would hope that the ideas would be taken into consideration for everyone’s safety.
hmmm

United States

#5 Sep 18, 2009
Can somebody 'splain why all the traffic must go THRU Greencastle to Exit 5 ? Why can't the diversion extend to the Rt 11 interchange SOUTH of Greencastle ?
MMK

Chambersburg, PA

#6 Sep 18, 2009
The reason for the closure yesterday was for 3 reasons: one, because the truck was laying on its side in one of the south lanes. If it tipped over and got hit by another car passing by it would have created more injuries than we already had. Second, the air medical unit was suppose to land on the interstate. We often land the helocopter on the interstate for serious accidents. Third, we had alot of personell and equipment on the road as we had to cut the lady out of the vehicle. The last thing I want to worry about when were trying to access a trapped person is traffic passing by. When we do leave lanes open, people cant help but to rubberneck and not pay attention to what they are doing. Also sometimes the State Police have to reconstruct accidents, traffic cant be flowing while this is happening either.
We always try our best to get things cleared up and get traffic flowing as fast as possible. I can understand people why get frustrated sitting in traffic, I get mad myself when it happends to me. We were reminded how fast things go bad last year a firefighter from Marion was struck by a car going 55 mph. This lady did not listen to the fire police and we were trying to keep the traffic moving as well. This was not a serious accident however it turned serious because of one motorist not paying attention. As we know most secondary roads in PA are very windy with hills.Most people would not be able to see a crash unil they are right on it. It is easier to detour people around to another road temporaly until the road is cleaned up.
Bob

Landisburg, PA

#7 Sep 18, 2009
A Rational Person wrote:
What I would like to know is why can’t our Fire Police and State Police learn something about traffic management? I know there are all kinds of accidents on I-81. The problem as I see it, having been in traffic management before coming to PA, is once an accident happens on the I-81 corridor they panic and shut down everything.
There are several reasons this should not be don’t except when the accident fully blocks the road and if hazardous products are involved. Other accidents may be bad but there is no reason to shut the entire traffic flow down. Not to say that the folks that are involved in the accident aren’t having a bad day but there is no sense in creating another hazardous situation. This isn’t fair to the motorist traveling through and it definitely not fair to the citizens of Shippensburg, Chambersburg or Greencastle to have all of that traffic flowing through their towns causing another potential bad situation.
Every effort should be made to get the thoroughfare open to some traffic as quickly as possible. This will lessen the burden on the towns people and the persons using I-81. I know the arguments that I have gotten from the Fire Police before on this and it comes down to a basic understanding of just how critical a situation is. Even if just one lane of traffic is opened then that relieves the burden on the towns. If the accident itself is not blocking the roadway and the people involved in the accident have been taken care of it would be better to wait until traffic is not as heavy to remove the vehicles.
I have seen so many times that the entire roadway was shut down when the accident itself was as much as 25 yards off of the roadway. The emergency vehicles had more than ample room to have access to the scene yet no one was allowed to pass. This caused all of the north bound traffic to be diverted to RT 11 through Greencastle and ultimately Chambersburg. This caused up to 4 more fender benders that I counted as a result. Travelers were confused and lost within our towns and in just trying to get their bearings they caused additional tie ups. This type of situation is not good for the image of our county and towns.
I think the Fire Police do the best job they know how to do. I know that I will get some negative criticisms for my statements here but I would hope that the ideas would be taken into consideration for everyone’s safety.
The reason for the backups is the fire clowns want their 15 minutes of fame
EMT

Rahway, NJ

#8 Sep 18, 2009
MMK wrote:
The reason for the closure yesterday was for 3 reasons: one, because the truck was laying on its side in one of the south lanes. If it tipped over and got hit by another car passing by it would have created more injuries than we already had. Second, the air medical unit was suppose to land on the interstate. We often land the helocopter on the interstate for serious accidents. Third, we had alot of personell and equipment on the road as we had to cut the lady out of the vehicle. The last thing I want to worry about when were trying to access a trapped person is traffic passing by. When we do leave lanes open, people cant help but to rubberneck and not pay attention to what they are doing. Also sometimes the State Police have to reconstruct accidents, traffic cant be flowing while this is happening either.
We always try our best to get things cleared up and get traffic flowing as fast as possible. I can understand people why get frustrated sitting in traffic, I get mad myself when it happends to me. We were reminded how fast things go bad last year a firefighter from Marion was struck by a car going 55 mph. This lady did not listen to the fire police and we were trying to keep the traffic moving as well. This was not a serious accident however it turned serious because of one motorist not paying attention. As we know most secondary roads in PA are very windy with hills.Most people would not be able to see a crash unil they are right on it. It is easier to detour people around to another road temporaly until the road is cleaned up.
FINALLY SOMEONE WHO HAS A BRAIN AND IS OBVIOUSLY IN THE FIRE SERVICE! KUDOS to you MMK!!!!
I know what when my fiancee or i roll out the door to an accident on 81 anything can happen. The use of the reflective vests give you some more visbility and comfort in knowing that you will be seen before heard... but to do such work its often needed for a road way to be fully closed or partically closed to insure our safety. If we are there to help you and we get injured WERE NO GOOD!! prolonging your wait and possibly your LIFE!
Fire clown

Sicklerville, NJ

#9 Sep 18, 2009
Bob wrote:
<quoted text>The reason for the backups is the fire clowns want their 15 minutes of fame
Maybe if you're in an accident the so called fire clowns will avoid the fame and leave you there. As for letting traffic thru idiots like this Bob usually don't know how to slow down.
pdodd

Chambersburg, PA

#10 Sep 18, 2009
What a mess on the interstate.
A Rational Person

Coatesville, PA

#11 Sep 18, 2009
Adequate markings and slow down lanes well in advance of the accident would go a long way in providing safety for everyone. where i come from they don't have fire police. the accidents are worked just fine. They also don't have the option of detouring traffic to another road so they have to get the lanes open if at all possible. Slowing Traffic well before the accident is the answer to the safety issue. remember some people whether it is right or not get frustrated and decide not to obey the Fire police. In other states the State police handle the traffic and they have arrest power and they will use it.
EMS

Newark, DE

#12 Sep 19, 2009
The traffic was bad I agree. I also think MMK covered it pretty well. I have people run over my flares on I-81 all the time. Some pay attention to the crash...some pay attention to the road. Have had several near misses. I witnessed the Marion fire firefighter incident. Sometimes in life we need to slow down and understand the world ain't perfect and we will have to be interrupted by accidents. I admit the use of a fire company or state highway utility vehicle with a roof mounted arrow light goes a long way towards helping. Give the fire cops a break. They are volunteers that stand in the rain and snow for hours so you can still travel from place to place.
Big Jake

Norristown, PA

#13 Sep 21, 2009
I don't know where "rational person" hales from or how long it's been since he/she moved from there, but I'd guess it's been a while. The reason I say that is times have changed over the years. People don't give a damn about each other for the most part anymore. People are in hurry to go nowhere and do nothing and they don't care who gets in there way to do it either. You simply can't put inconvience ahead of safety for the responders or the motoring public. In bygone days when folks respected police officers & rescue workers and slowed down & gave them room to work you could possibly keep a lane open, but there is no way these days. Someone mentioned the Marion incident, let's not forget the young Police Officer who was reconstructing a fatal accident in Adams county who was himself struck and killed because they tried to mantain an open lane. The woman who struck him was on a cell phone and ran over the cones into the "closed" lane. Not to mention the numerous Troopers who are struck each year. Motorist pay no attention to the "move over law", so PSP has to set up simulated operations so they can give them info, brochures, and a warning on the law. If a motorist will not slow or move over for a State Trooper, do you really think they will for a firefighter or EMT? I don't know a command officer in the Fire service, or a Police Officer who won't do what they have to do keep their people and their victims as safe as possible, even if it inconviences someone.

Since: Aug 09

Greencastle, PA

#14 Sep 22, 2009
I understand what A Rational Person is trying to say and while it does make sense it is also hard to come by. Interstate 81 is one of the most dangerous and deadliest stretches of interstate around (second only to maybe the PA Turnpike). If stopping traffic is what it is going to take to keep emergency personnel safe than that is what is going to happen and people are going to have to get over it. It is an inconvenience but those people have families to and they want to go home in one piece. Clearly that is not possible because of the driving habits (eating, cell phone use, texting...) of other. These "fire clowns" are strictly volunteer and as mentioned above if you don't like the job they're doing than do it yourself. Perhaps A Rational Person would like to join the Rescue Hose Company in Greencastle where his name says he is from. I'm sure they could use the help given that they have quite a bit of interstate to cover.
jackson

Horsham, PA

#15 Sep 22, 2009
Bob your an idiot. The reason the interestate gets shut down is because of rubber necking idiots like you who don't pay attention then cause another accident. Ask the firefighter from marion who sweeping up the glass from a previous incident and somebody hit him and he ended up in Hershey by helicopter. Ask the members of Halfway Volunteer fire Department about Their fire policeman who got killed while directing traffic on I-81. People these folks volunteer their time to the community tohelp divert situations. People like Bob are the first to critize them but as sure as heck is thanking them if he needed their help. All these volunteers like to hear a simple Thank You sometimes. I see all of you scream about taxes but if youhad to pay for these services that the volunteers of Franklin County & surrounding areas your tax mill rate could jump as high as 20 mills. And as far as the detour route it is supposed to run straight down route 11 to exit 3 but people like bob try to side step it and just cause more problems!!!!!
mmg

Falls, PA

#16 Sep 28, 2009
I just want to say all of you that were talking about the traffic being shut down. Realy are shelfish (?) because if it was you, you would want someone to help you, and if you where ins a volunteer company or a paid company you would have to heart we do. It is not about us it is about the person or people your trying to help. Not one of you who where complaining even wondered how the people in the accident where. I want to thank you fire fighters and recuser who help this people so much, you see they are very close to my heart they are my family and my whole family is dedicated to the fire company. Thanks again. Be safe

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