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mel

Casey, IL

#21 Dec 30, 2011
I believe noone should be judged by anyone here on earth..... just because someone gets pregnant and has a child out of wedlock doesn't make them a bad person....what if she was raped and didn't agree with abortion?? Because we all know people would have comments if she had an abortion...the church should love its members and not turn them away in a time when they need the church family the most.....
They are coming

Herndon, VA

#22 Dec 30, 2011
Go see a lawyer. All will win an unemployment case on this. And the ones fired for being pregnant may be able to seek damages. It will depend on what they signed when they were employed.
phil ocifer

United States

#23 Dec 30, 2011
They are coming wrote:
Go see a lawyer. All will win an unemployment case on this. And the ones fired for being pregnant may be able to seek damages. It will depend on what they signed when they were employed.
What an entitlement driven litigious society. Pity.
_Underscore_

Greensburg, KY

#24 Dec 30, 2011
phil ocifer wrote:
<quoted text>
by all means i dont think it is a coincidence that as americans denied religion the influence of immorality grew.
http://www.pitzer.edu/academics/faculty/zucke...

If you've got the time, give that a read.
phil ocifer

United States

#25 Dec 30, 2011
_Underscore_ wrote:
<quoted text> http://www.pitzer.edu/academics/faculty/zucke...

If you've got the time, give that a read.
Underscore, i read 9 of 23 pages. Certainly looks like a good read, but dont have time at the moment to complete. Just curious, is there a particular motive for your presenting me this piece? A certain point i can develop as i read on?
_Underscore_

Greensburg, KY

#26 Dec 30, 2011
phil ocifer wrote:
<quoted text>
Underscore, i read 9 of 23 pages. Certainly looks like a good read, but dont have time at the moment to complete. Just curious, is there a particular motive for your presenting me this piece? A certain point i can develop as i read on?
"by all means i dont think it is a coincidence that as americans denied religion the influence of immorality grew."

Summed up in the conclusion:
"Atheism and secularity have many positive correlates, such as higher
levels of education and verbal ability, lower levels of prejudice, ethnocentrism, racism,
and homophobia, greater support for women’s equality, child-rearing that promotes independent thinking and an absence of corporal punishment, etc. And at the societal level,
with the important exception of suicide, states and nations with a higher proportion of
secular people fare markedly better than those with a higher proportion of religious
people"
phil ocifer

Elizabethtown, KY

#27 Dec 30, 2011
_Underscore_ wrote:
<quoted text>"by all means i dont think it is a coincidence that as americans denied religion the influence of immorality grew."

Summed up in the conclusion:
"Atheism and secularity have many positive correlates, such as higher
levels of education and verbal ability, lower levels of prejudice, ethnocentrism, racism,
and homophobia, greater support for womenÂ’s equality, child-rearing that promotes independent thinking and an absence of corporal punishment, etc. And at the societal level,
with the important exception of suicide, states and nations with a higher proportion of
secular people fare markedly better than those with a higher proportion of religious
people"
Ill bear that thought in consciousness as i continue to read.
phil ocifer

Elizabethtown, KY

#28 Dec 30, 2011
Ok, so i read it. It was well written and very technical. Abraham Lincoln made a statement that is applicable here. " the enemy of intelligence is not ignorance, but rather the illusion of intelligence." Without having done a lengthy investigation to qualify both the author and his facts one must simply apply it as face value. Although i agree with many of the points made ( partially including yours ) i must say i really dont understand their impact on this post. The fact of the matter is they were employed willfully knowing what was expected and voluntarily at a christian school. Whether you or i or anyone else for that matter agrees with religion the point is it wasnt forced on them. They willingly entered into a position knowing what it entailed. You could take religion out of the equation and say that you wouldnt be gainfully employed with the fbi for any length of time if you were having communist wine tastings at your house on the third thursday of the month. Its not religion on trial here. Its a simple conflict of interest. But tgank you for the article. I printed it for my files.
_Underscore_

Greensburg, KY

#29 Dec 30, 2011
phil ocifer wrote:
The fact of the matter is they were employed willfully knowing what was expected and voluntarily at a christian school.
I'm just addressing that singular bit of your post, not the matter at hand.
phil ocifer

Elizabethtown, KY

#30 Dec 30, 2011
_Underscore_ wrote:
<quoted text>I'm just addressing that singular bit of your post, not the matter at hand.
Point taken. I meant to express that as an opinion. Sorry if i didnt communicate that clearly, but regardless of why it is, america is morally as well as financially bankrupt. Pardon the use of this term as only figurative, but we are headed to hell in a handbasket.
believer

Clarkson, KY

#31 Dec 31, 2011
phil ocifer wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh, i guess it makes more sense fir men to lust after men. You need not be a christian to know thats nuts.
what is fir? you see how silly you look pointing out "what is wfe" do you want to be grown? or should we be childish?
believer

Clarkson, KY

#32 Dec 31, 2011
phil ocifer wrote:
<quoted text>
Point taken. I meant to express that as an opinion. Sorry if i didnt communicate that clearly, but regardless of why it is, america is morally as well as financially bankrupt. Pardon the use of this term as only figurative, but we are headed to hell in a handbasket.
i agree this country is morally bankrupt,but this post wasnt directed toward politics,government...ect. it was for the church!.........big difference
phil ocifer

Herndon, VA

#33 Dec 31, 2011
believer wrote:
<quoted text>what is fir? you see how silly you look pointing out "what is wfe" do you want to be grown? or should we be childish?
my, arent we combative, im looking over my posts and didnt see fir, probably just a typo, i am human, and i wasnt combative in "pointin out" i really wanted to know, did you mean to say your wife? No harm intended. Sorry for any offense.
phil ocifer

Herndon, VA

#34 Dec 31, 2011
believer wrote:
<quoted text>what is fir? you see how silly you look pointing out "what is wfe" do you want to be grown? or should we be childish?
just read response post, yes a typo. I meant for, sorry
jimmy

Elizabethtown, KY

#36 Jan 10, 2012
I don't know the whole story here, but have just been reading the posts on this particular topic. A thought comes to mind that I've seen on the previous posts as well as posts on some other topics....Although not formally, there seems to be an undertone of "seperation of church and state" desired among some folks. But when the time comes that the "church" does something that the "state" doesn't agree with, well, then that desire goes away and the standards suddenly should be the same between the two. Just an observation.
By the way, to call ECA a church, just because it is based on Christian values, would be a miswording. At best, a parachurch organization (which is totally different).
Just a Thought

Raywick, KY

#37 Jan 11, 2012
believer wrote:
letting go two workers because they became pregnant before marriage,letting good teachers go because they dont fit the new "direction" of the school...via certified letter while on vacation,three days after christimas. this is a non profit,which meens they are the church or "church" as i like to say. are we as believers the salt of the earth? it doesnt sound like it to me? if this is a non profit ministry,who do they minister to? its not a ministry....its a religious reducation camp! i am so sick of religion,and religious attitudes....you know nothing about the bible!
Yeah, they will end up like the public school system now.
thought

Elizabethtown, KY

#38 Jan 12, 2012
I do not know the whole situation but when you work with a christian based facility you are to be held to a higher standard. Not because anyone else is free from sin but because they are the role models for the children. Just as a minister is held to a standard. Not to say they will not mess up but if they were to be caught having an affair or such things no one is judging them but they would be asked to step down. Not leave the church just not be the pastor. If we are not in the proper place with our relationship with God we cannot lead others until we get there. Everyone is human and we will all make mistakes but when we do we have to take a step back and regroup our lives. But when you are a leader of young people parents are trusting them to guide their ch ildren down the right path. No one is condemn because there is only one who can judge us. When we do make mistakes we should step down on our own knowing we are not setting a good example.
dr drew and dr phil

Elizabethtown, KY

#39 Jan 12, 2012
is this coming from the new principal? her thang or someone made her do it?
Another Voice

Elizabethtown, KY

#40 Jan 13, 2012
I do not know the details of the current situation, but a couple of years ago ECA let go of some employees for the same reason and did so in person. The person that let the employees go said in the firing that they were being let go because they had gotten pregnant. ECA was sued and lost in court. From that ECA's lawyers had them rewrite their employee agreements to specifically have a morals clause. I think the reason they sent certified letters this time was to avoid anyone stating something about being pregnant. I again do not know the details of this situation.
question

Brandenburg, KY

#41 Jan 15, 2012
Does it say in the bible somewhere a true Christian does not judge one another sounds kinda one sided u can't get pregnant but we can judge. I am thinking of taking my child there she was born out of wed lock would they judge my daughter as well

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