Male doctor and your wife
James

Louisville, KY

#3098 Jan 3, 2013
I am beginning to think this is more a vanity or modest issue.
After reading all these posts it seems the most vocal anti-male doctors are afraid of men.
I suggest choice and their response is in rural setting there may be no choice.
Here in Louisville, KY we have a wonderful hospital called the University of Louisville Hospital. If I get hurt bad that's where I would want to be flown or driven. Many of the doctors that practice there are not from America. They might be from India or anywhere for that matter. I don't get a choice when I get there who is going to treat me. I don't care if it's a man or a woman as all I want is for them to help me.
I realize if you are going for a check up or having a baby you have more choice in deciding who is in the room. But believe it or not I have been in a room where my daughter was having a baby. I don't feel that a woman can be abused by anyone while having a baby.
I am sorry there is absolutely NOTHING SEXY about someone screaming and watching a baby come out the normal way. How a male doctor could abuse you during birth is beyond me. Watching a vagina swell up, a baby's head appear, and blood everywhere is not the time for anyone to even think of anything other than "let's get this baby out".
So if it's vanity or modesty get over it.
Regardless of the sex of the doctor on delivery day it's all about the health of both the mother and baby.
I understand a woman could be taken advantage of during an exam. If you are worried about that go see a female. Choose a female. But if on delivery day if a male has to deliver your baby see the above description. Repeat, nothing remotely sexy about a birth.
Everyone has to come into this world and chances are a male doctor brought you in to this world. Let's not all get our bowels in an uproar. Our moms survived and I'll guarantee I have thought more about this subject more than my mom did.
Modest Woman

Waynesville, NC

#3099 Jan 3, 2013
John who has contributed to this discussion had a great birthing experience with his wife in Louisville. They chose an all female practice. I am very pleased that Louisville has at least two all female practices: http://www.nortonhealthcare.com/a4wh (all 6 ob/gyns are female) and http://allwomenobgyn.com/ (all 5 doctors are female).

I do not care about the race of a gynecologist as long as she is a woman. Women of all races share the same public restroom.

It is strange that doctors are given exemptions to see private parts of women they are not married to. There would be so much outrage if a male gym teacher went in a girls' locker room to watch them changing their clothes or showering. Medical professionals are not morally above us.
James

Louisville, KY

#3100 Jan 3, 2013
Modest Woman wrote:
John who has contributed to this discussion had a great birthing experience with his wife in Louisville. They chose an all female practice. I am very pleased that Louisville has at least two all female practices: http://www.nortonhealthcare.com/a4wh (all 6 ob/gyns are female) and http://allwomenobgyn.com/ (all 5 doctors are female).
I do not care about the race of a gynecologist as long as she is a woman. Women of all races share the same public restroom.
It is strange that doctors are given exemptions to see private parts of women they are not married to. There would be so much outrage if a male gym teacher went in a girls' locker room to watch them changing their clothes or showering. Medical professionals are not morally above us.
Yes, I am very familiar with Norton's as that's where my wife goes and where my relative practices.
Realize what you are saying here.
Male OBGYN's should be illegal because men don't have babies nor female parts.
If you follow your thought process there is no reason for any male to go to school to be a OBGYN because they should not be allowed to view a woman naked because of the potential chance of abuse.
Why not just castrate all men at birth and eliminate the fear that you may get abused?
It'd be Hell on population growth but I'm sure you would feel better about it.
Not allowing males to choose their profession is wrong just based on your insecurities.
What about a female urologist?
Should she not be allowed to look at my penis if I have a need for it to be examined?
I don't think my wife would think 2 seconds over the sex of my doctor.
I would not be running around calling myself Modest Man worrying about getting abused by my female urologist.
I guess you will tell me woman are wired different and perhaps they are which makes it difficult to wrap my mind on what all the fuss is over.
So the bottom-line is if you are a woman and want to be seen by a woman then go see a woman.
James

Louisville, KY

#3101 Jan 3, 2013
Jennifer wrote:
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I do not find nothing odd if a couple of medical students bumped into the discussion and gave their opinion, pointing out their are medical students.
I find it odd that even if the Official Reports of The Department of Justice of The United States clearly states something, you argue that it is not true, and keep your own insane and prejudicial opinions.
Man, you must have some mental block or something...Go get some help....
Sorry I did find it quit odd that I asked for woman and the next 2 posts were from a Mary - Medical Student and Susan - Medical Student back to back both coming from the same city with the only difference in screen names being their actual name.

In regards to your link (the DOJ report), just copy and past the part you think is important to the discussion. I clicked on that PDF file and while I tried to find what you were attempting to share I am not going to read 1500 pages to find what you are trying to point out. The bar on the side of my 46" monitor was 1/4 inch, meaning a huge file. Just copy and paste it. I will take your word that it is accurate.
Modest Woman

Waynesville, NC

#3102 Jan 3, 2013
James wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, I am very familiar with Norton's as that's where my wife goes and where my relative practices.
Realize what you are saying here.
Male OBGYN's should be illegal because men don't have babies nor female parts.
If you follow your thought process there is no reason for any male to go to school to be a OBGYN because they should not be allowed to view a woman naked because of the potential chance of abuse.
Why not just castrate all men at birth and eliminate the fear that you may get abused?
It'd be Hell on population growth but I'm sure you would feel better about it.
Not allowing males to choose their profession is wrong just based on your insecurities.
What about a female urologist?
Should she not be allowed to look at my penis if I have a need for it to be examined?
I don't think my wife would think 2 seconds over the sex of my doctor.
I would not be running around calling myself Modest Man worrying about getting abused by my female urologist.
I guess you will tell me woman are wired different and perhaps they are which makes it difficult to wrap my mind on what all the fuss is over.
So the bottom-line is if you are a woman and want to be seen by a woman then go see a woman.
Yes, I think male gynecologists should be banned. Are you aware that Belk's (a department store) will not hire male bra fitters? In fact, if a man went to Belk's to apply for a bra fitter job, he would be labeled as a pervert. Why is it different in medical settings?

How do you feel about department stores not allowing men to be bra fitters?

I do not think that women should be urologists. In fact, I think it is very inappropriate for a woman to become an urologist to examine men's private parts.

Men definitely should not be castrated at all. They just should not examine or see private parts of women they are not married to. It is permissible for a man to touch and examine private parts of a woman he is married. But it is inappropriate for him to see and touch private parts of a woman he is not married to.

This is how I feel as a conservative Christian. I feel many people have fallen to the cultural blind spot that doctors can do anything since they are experts on the body.
Modest Woman

Waynesville, NC

#3103 Jan 3, 2013
If I could be guaranteed that a male gynecologist would not abuse me or have sexual thoughts, I still would not go to him because I feel that the husband should be the only man in the world to see and touch private parts of his wife after puberty. I also feel strongly that the wife should be the only woman in the world to see and touch private parts of her husband. I see doctors and nurses as humans. I do not believe in situational ethics at all.
James

Louisville, KY

#3104 Jan 3, 2013
Modest Woman wrote:
If I could be guaranteed that a male gynecologist would not abuse me or have sexual thoughts, I still would not go to him because I feel that the husband should be the only man in the world to see and touch private parts of his wife after puberty. I also feel strongly that the wife should be the only woman in the world to see and touch private parts of her husband. I see doctors and nurses as humans. I do not believe in situational ethics at all.
Thank you as now we are getting somewhere. It is your conservative Christian faith that helped form your views. I certainly would never claim that you should feel any different under those circumstances. Now that I know from what angle you are coming from it helps me better understand where this difference of opinion is coming from. That is absolutely your right to feel and act that way.
However (you knew that word would come up :-)) your deep Christian faith and philosophies should not be an absolute solution for all woman, particularly the woman who have no problem at all with their male doctor.
Your insecurities or fears may not ever occur with other woman. To paint an entire profession based on a few men or what you have heard is unfair.
But I understand because of your religious beliefs how and why you feel the way you do. I wish I had know that weeks ago because it explains many of your posts. You should always go to female doctors.
Personally I don't ever see a way to ban males from being OBGYN's as they have been doctors since the beginning of time.

Regarding the department store, I don't think it would be proper for a normal, non-educated male to perform bra sizing.

A doctor who goes to 8 years of college focusing on the female reproductive area is a lot more qualified than a bra fitter. That certainly is not an apples to apples comparison.
Let's remember something here that appears to have been forgotten.
The reason you go to a doctor is to make sure you are healthy or in a pregnancy to make sure both the mother and baby are both healthy. The reason why a doctor becomes a doctor is to help people. It's not to see woman naked.
I do not ever think I will live long enough to see male doctors forbidden from being OBGYN's. I think there would be such an uproar that it would never be allowed to happen.
Again let me state I am not in any way even related to anything regarding the medical profession.
James

Louisville, KY

#3105 Jan 3, 2013
Modest Woman wrote:
If I could be guaranteed that a male gynecologist would not abuse me or have sexual thoughts, I still would not go to him because I feel that the husband should be the only man in the world to see and touch private parts of his wife after puberty. I also feel strongly that the wife should be the only woman in the world to see and touch private parts of her husband. I see doctors and nurses as humans. I do not believe in situational ethics at all.
Men could have sexual thoughts about you as you are walking through the grocery store, at the gas station, maybe when you are getting the mail out of your mail box, or at your church. You can't stop people from thinking. No one can.
dad

Elizabethtown, KY

#3107 Jan 3, 2013
I really dont see how you can find no fault at all with male gynecologists. It is apparant that it is a vulgar and pornographic exam, yet you seem to advocate it being done. There is something wrong with a male doctor doing these exams, it crosses the line whether you choose to see the line or not. I am also a Christian, but there are other religions that feel the same way, and i have even seen a few evolutionists post here, it is a low standard indeed to ask a young woman(they are almost all certainly young, as many go for pregnancy) to undress in front of another man, and allow that man to carry out exams that expose her in ways that even her husband has not seen. it is very akin to pornography, only under a differant title. is there any differance if someone abuses prescription drugs, or illegal drugs? it is the same thing, what about alcohol vs pot? it is the same thing. you mentioned educational level. well, what if the manager of the dept store had an MBA and wanted to start a bra-fitting buisness? what about a lawyer, would you let your lawyer do a pelvic on your wife, he also has to go to school for 8 years.
Why are there playboy magazines if men do not enjoy looking at naked women? why are there skimpy outfits on almost any commercial? hot-legs contests? wet-t-shirt contests? Hooters? why do those things exist?
its wrong to go to a male gynecologist
James

Louisville, KY

#3108 Jan 3, 2013
dad wrote:
I really dont see how you can find no fault at all with male gynecologists. It is apparant that it is a vulgar and pornographic exam, yet you seem to advocate it being done. There is something wrong with a male doctor doing these exams, it crosses the line whether you choose to see the line or not. I am also a Christian, but there are other religions that feel the same way, and i have even seen a few evolutionists post here, it is a low standard indeed to ask a young woman(they are almost all certainly young, as many go for pregnancy) to undress in front of another man, and allow that man to carry out exams that expose her in ways that even her husband has not seen. it is very akin to pornography, only under a differant title. is there any differance if someone abuses prescription drugs, or illegal drugs? it is the same thing, what about alcohol vs pot? it is the same thing. you mentioned educational level. well, what if the manager of the dept store had an MBA and wanted to start a bra-fitting buisness? what about a lawyer, would you let your lawyer do a pelvic on your wife, he also has to go to school for 8 years.
Why are there playboy magazines if men do not enjoy looking at naked women? why are there skimpy outfits on almost any commercial? hot-legs contests? wet-t-shirt contests? Hooters? why do those things exist?
its wrong to go to a male gynecologist
It's a "vulgar and pornographic exam"? Perhaps to you it may be but to someone who has been trained for years to treat this part of a woman's body it's a business.
The way you compared a professional male OBGYN and the emotion they "must feel" to a wet tee shirt contest shows the maturity level I am dealing with.
I wish a male OBGYN would come on this board and in a calm manner explain where you all error.
When I had my colostomy done the last thing I remember seeing where 6 or 7 attractive nurses. For about 5 seconds I thought these woman are all going to see my fat ass.
The next thought that went through my mind was "oh well, they see fat asses everyday, mines not any different than the next guy".
So other than the patient is a woman why shouldn't woman realize their doctor sees several hundred of those a year and that believe it or not theirs isn't special?
There is a major difference between a professional doctor looking down there at a woman who requested the exam and going to some strip club, drinking, and trying to get laid.
It's like comparing going to church and going to a bar.
That's how much difference there is.
Jessie

UK

#3109 Jan 3, 2013
James wrote:
"Why not just castrate all men at birth and eliminate the fear that you may get abused?
It'd be Hell on population growth but I'm sure you would feel better about it."

"Should she not be allowed to look at my penis if I have a need for it to be examined?"
See... if I post using James's tone, my post gets deleted?

Moderators, please don't be bias (thank you).
James

Louisville, KY

#3110 Jan 3, 2013
Jessie wrote:
<quoted text>
See... if I post using James's tone, my post gets deleted?
Moderators, please don't be bias (thank you).
I was very clinical in my description of certain body parts.
I was not using the words in some sexual gratifying way. I am convinced that is why ENLIGHTENED HUSBAND is no longer here.

If you can hear it on NBC's Law and Order it should be OK to use on Topix.
Jessie

UK

#3111 Jan 3, 2013
James wrote:
"...you wooden tooth crowd in England need to find a Forum on "your side of the pond" where you can address your issues to someone who cares and can do something about it."

"Is there not a Topix board in the UK where you could have more of an impact?"
James, here in the UK, posts that oppose intimate examination by male doctor are deleted and threads that are started of this nature are immediately bombarded with abuse from UK male doctors to the point where their foul language usually get the thread deleted pretty darn quick. I heard someone say that it's a common tactic to get appositional threads deleted as fast as possible.

I believe that the UK is behind USA in it's thinking, the 'old boys club' rules, the doctors look out for each other and the medical regime is very 'public school tie' sort of mentality. You probably understand what I'm saying?

Anyway, the UK medical mindset is out of date and, in my oppinion, leaves door wide open for abuse, especiall as the NHS complaints procedure takes sides in favour of the doctors, so no use at all really.
James

Louisville, KY

#3112 Jan 3, 2013
dad wrote:
I really dont see how you can find no fault at all with male gynecologists. It is apparant that it is a vulgar and pornographic exam, yet you seem to advocate it being done. There is something wrong with a male doctor doing these exams, it crosses the line whether you choose to see the line or not. I am also a Christian, but there are other religions that feel the same way, and i have even seen a few evolutionists post here, it is a low standard indeed to ask a young woman(they are almost all certainly young, as many go for pregnancy) to undress in front of another man, and allow that man to carry out exams that expose her in ways that even her husband has not seen. it is very akin to pornography, only under a differant title. is there any differance if someone abuses prescription drugs, or illegal drugs? it is the same thing, what about alcohol vs pot? it is the same thing. you mentioned educational level. well, what if the manager of the dept store had an MBA and wanted to start a bra-fitting buisness? what about a lawyer, would you let your lawyer do a pelvic on your wife, he also has to go to school for 8 years.
Why are there playboy magazines if men do not enjoy looking at naked women? why are there skimpy outfits on almost any commercial? hot-legs contests? wet-t-shirt contests? Hooters? why do those things exist?
its wrong to go to a male gynecologist
Dad, there is a real good chance a male doctor brought your entire family into this world.
Instead of being grateful these men did a good job and everyone survived the ordeal we now have them all being branded as perverts and the job they do as being filthy.
That's just not right. I don't want to get them a holiday or mountain named after them and don't deny some abuse their position but to just state "they all are obscene" is not accurate or fair.
James

Louisville, KY

#3113 Jan 3, 2013
Jessie wrote:
<quoted text>
James, here in the UK, posts that oppose intimate examination by male doctor are deleted and threads that are started of this nature are immediately bombarded with abuse from UK male doctors to the point where their foul language usually get the thread deleted pretty darn quick. I heard someone say that it's a common tactic to get appositional threads deleted as fast as possible.
I believe that the UK is behind USA in it's thinking, the 'old boys club' rules, the doctors look out for each other and the medical regime is very 'public school tie' sort of mentality. You probably understand what I'm saying?
Anyway, the UK medical mindset is out of date and, in my oppinion, leaves door wide open for abuse, especiall as the NHS complaints procedure takes sides in favour of the doctors, so no use at all really.
Jessie, what is the NHS?
As previously stated I am located about 50 miles north of Elizabethtown in Louisville, KY (home of the KY Derby). I received my degree in business from the University of Louisville and I manage a retail store in Louisville.
I have absolutely nothing to do with the field of medicine in any way, shape, or form.
Jessie

UK

#3115 Jan 3, 2013
James wrote:
"How a male doctor could abuse you during birth is beyond me."

"Watching a vagina swell up, a baby's head appear, and blood everywhere is not the time for anyone to even think of anything other than "let's get this baby out."

"I understand a woman could be taken advantage of during an exam."
As a Christian woman, I believe that any male (other than the imediate family of the labouring woman, by her personal invitation only) is a violation of intimate privacy and modesty and can be emotionally devastational to the father to be and can affect the marriage and bond with the new born baby. Some men are more 'primate instinctive' than others. This obviously is an issue that requires attention, hence the size of this thread. People are not oposing male doctors for fun here, most are genuinely feeling hurt, ignored and abused. We are a world that wishes to be civilised therefore we need to push towards being more sensitive of peoples needs and feelings, we're all different.

Someone asked why men are not allowed to be bra fitters, we why is that James? Isn't that sexist?

I'm glad you, at least, acknowledge that ladies can be abused during intimate examinations.
Jessie

UK

#3116 Jan 3, 2013
James wrote:
"Jessie, what is the NHS?"
Surely you've Googled NHS James?

It's the National Health Service, a 'free' health provision which is paid for through national insurance contributions and taxation (so no really free).

The problem is, because tax and national insurance contributions are taken to pay for the system not many people can afford private health care therefore the NHS becomes a monopoly creating inefficiency, complacency and low morale.

The rich can afford to pay taxes to fund the NHS and pay for private health care too. The NHS doctors prefer the private health work as it pays more. The NHS patients are left with the 2nd rate doctors with a management always trying to cut corners to save money, hence lack of gender choice "you should be grateful for whoever you're given" sort of attitude.

Well, I don't think it's good enough, the NHS attracts the wrong type of people to work for it in my honest opinion. As it isn't a great organisation to work for, it attracts people to work for it for the WRONG reasons.

We here in the UK are using this thread as a voice as people in the UK come across this thread easily on google, it's a worldwide issue and we thank you for hosting us here.
James

Louisville, KY

#3117 Jan 3, 2013
Jessie wrote:
<quoted text>
As a Christian woman, I believe that any male (other than the imediate family of the labouring woman, by her personal invitation only) is a violation of intimate privacy and modesty and can be emotionally devastational to the father to be and can affect the marriage and bond with the new born baby. Some men are more 'primate instinctive' than others. This obviously is an issue that requires attention, hence the size of this thread. People are not oposing male doctors for fun here, most are genuinely feeling hurt, ignored and abused. We are a world that wishes to be civilised therefore we need to push towards being more sensitive of peoples needs and feelings, we're all different.
Someone asked why men are not allowed to be bra fitters, we why is that James? Isn't that sexist?
I'm glad you, at least, acknowledge that ladies can be abused during intimate examinations.
To answer your question "Someone asked why men are not allowed to be bra fitters, we why is that James? Isn't that sexist?"

Someone who is fitting someone for a bra does not have to go to school for 8 or more years to do it. They aren't tested, earn a degree, get certified, and have liability insurance. I am not even sure how someone gets fitted for a bra. Do woman take their shirt off for this fitting to take place? I would assume most woman would feel more comfortable with a female doing the fitting. I also understand that some woman would also feel more reassured if there doctor was a female. I am simply stating that there are plenty of male doctors out their that their female patients admire and have all the confidence in the world in. For strangers to attack those patients and the doctors they are seeing as evil, nasty, ville, or abusers is simply not accurate.
Again, if you as a female have a religious belief that prevents you from seeing a male doctor that is OK. All I've ever stated is that the majority of male doctors are doing a wonderful job and are trusted.
I don't know what is occurring in the UK but I have never seen all these accusations regarding male doctors until I arrived here on Topix. I have asked several of my female friends about this subject and they too say what is being said on here is nuts. Now my friends are not conservative Christians but they also would never allow a doctor to abuse them. That's all I can report.
James

Louisville, KY

#3118 Jan 3, 2013
Jessie wrote:
<quoted text>
Surely you've Googled NHS James?
It's the National Health Service, a 'free' health provision which is paid for through national insurance contributions and taxation (so no really free).
The problem is, because tax and national insurance contributions are taken to pay for the system not many people can afford private health care therefore the NHS becomes a monopoly creating inefficiency, complacency and low morale.
The rich can afford to pay taxes to fund the NHS and pay for private health care too. The NHS doctors prefer the private health work as it pays more. The NHS patients are left with the 2nd rate doctors with a management always trying to cut corners to save money, hence lack of gender choice "you should be grateful for whoever you're given" sort of attitude.
Well, I don't think it's good enough, the NHS attracts the wrong type of people to work for it in my honest opinion. As it isn't a great organisation to work for, it attracts people to work for it for the WRONG reasons.
We here in the UK are using this thread as a voice as people in the UK come across this thread easily on google, it's a worldwide issue and we thank you for hosting us here.
I see said the blind man.
We here in America just had national health care rammed down our throats. It hasn't taken effect yet although we have started paying for it.
These politicians have lied to us so bad that regardless of party affiliation they all are liars.
We have great health care here in the US but there is nothing our government touches that doesn't turn to manure.
Whether it's the US Postal Service, Social Security, or any other government agency one thing you can bank on. Our government will bankrupt it!
Good only knows what rules they will have for us once Obamacare kicks in. Our President is basically Robin Hood. He takes from the rich and gives to the poor. The rich were going to pay higher taxes. The rich was defined as above $450,000 a year. Today we wake up and they said anyone that makes over $50,000 will pay about $1,650 more in taxes this year. In other words our dear President promised us our taxes would stay the same. He lied. Nothing new.
James

Louisville, KY

#3119 Jan 3, 2013
Jessie, you have made a lot of sense and now I know why the folks from the UK are on this board. If someone had taken the time to explain this to me I would have understood much sooner. Maybe they did and I just never was connecting the dots. Well, if they won't give you a Forum in UK then welcome here and knock yourselves out! Free speech here in the US!

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