Male doctor and your wife
F Y I

East Haven, CT

#2794 Dec 26, 2012
Honey Bee 1st wrote:
<quoted text>
Whoa whoa....aren't lesbians hard wired like men?? haha have fun arguing with yourself, James, have a good day :)
NO, that's ignorant. Are you prejudice against all gays or just lesbians.
F Y I

East Haven, CT

#2797 Dec 26, 2012
Honey Bee 1st wrote:
<quoted text>
Whoa whoa....aren't lesbians hard wired like men?? haha have fun arguing with yourself, James, have a good day :)
I'll educate you; If they were like men they would rape and commit violent crime, they don't. 99% of All rapes and violent crimes are committed by men. More lesbians Mary the Gay men. Lesbians have children and live as a couple, not very many gay men do that. Well, that was a very stupid Bigoted statement made by a very uneducated ignorant bigot. I hope I taught you something ,Probably not. I would have to undo a whole lifetime of dumb.
F Y I

East Haven, CT

#2798 Dec 26, 2012
Honey Bee 1st wrote:
James, I'm done with them...
I proved my point with this poor little no ego or self esteem person...we both know it is one! Hope you have a good day. S they say don't feed the trolls lol.
You proved something, your a bigoted ignorant hick

Since: Dec 12

Location hidden

#2799 Dec 26, 2012
BINGO!!!!!! Mr religion now you're accusing me of being an ignorant bigot haha that is rich!!
Being such a religious fanatic as you PRETEND why would you EVER stand up for an abomination in Gods eyes?
I do not judge, I was just throwing the bait and HAHA YOU TOOK IT!!!
I don't agree with the lifestyle, but don't condemn, that is NOT my place, only between GOD AND THEM!! I simply baited you and you took it. You must have like the shiney spinning thing under the water lolololol
Mandy

Elizabethtown, KY

#2801 Dec 26, 2012
I don't use mutiple user names, I don't have to. Some people believe, like I do that you can't judge all doctor's by the actions of some. I do have a question for you all. What if a lesbian couple didn't want another female to see their partner naked? Same with a Male gay couple that might not want another man to see them naked. With the way you all want it, they wouldn't have à choice. I will never choose my doctor because of their gender.
James

Elizabethtown, KY

#2803 Dec 26, 2012
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F Y I

Schenectady, NY

#2804 Dec 26, 2012
Mandy wrote:
I don't use mutiple user names, I don't have to. Some people believe, like I do that you can't judge all doctor's by the actions of some. I do have a question for you all. What if a lesbian couple didn't want another female to see their partner naked? Same with a Male gay couple that might not want another man to see them naked. With the way you all want it, they wouldn't have à choice. I will never choose my doctor because of their gender.
Mandy who cares what you do, nobody is trying to change you. As far as your Scenario goes, respect you s/o opinions and feelings. If something I intentionally did was hurting my w/f I would change what I was doing. It's as simple as that. I don't think there should be any laws banning it, i never said that. The market will correct itself, like it's been doing.
F Y I

Schenectady, NY

#2805 Dec 26, 2012
Honey Bee 1st wrote:
BINGO!!!!!! Mr religion now you're accusing me of being an ignorant bigot haha that is rich!!
Being such a religious fanatic as you PRETEND why would you EVER stand up for an abomination in Gods eyes?
I do not judge, I was just throwing the bait and HAHA YOU TOOK IT!!!
I don't agree with the lifestyle, but don't condemn, that is NOT my place, only between GOD AND THEM!! I simply baited you and you took it. You must have like the shiney spinning thing under the water lolololol
You have never heard me talk about religion here, go back and check it out. If you can find a statement by ME Point it out, you won't though I havn't made any. Once again you don't know what your talking about and once again your WRONG, Ha Ha.
Mandy

Elizabethtown, KY

#2806 Dec 26, 2012
F Y I wrote:
<quoted text>Mandy who cares what you do, nobody is trying to change you. As far as your Scenario goes, respect you s/o opinions and feelings. If something I intentionally did was hurting my w/f I would change what I was doing. It's as simple as that. I don't think there should be any laws banning it, i never said that. The market will correct itself, like it's been doing.
Most of the guys who have been posting do what Male gyno's banned. I never said you did & I had replied to pailrider. I get that some people don't like a different gender doctor but to say they all are perverts is wrong. Also I am so tired of being told I don't know how a man thinks, but most men on here will say women are wired differently or we don't have à right to have an opinion on a doctor that deals with our bodies. My husband doesn't care what the gender of my doctor is. He has said he doesn't want me to see the mid-wife I had, but that was just because she didn't know what she was doing.
James

Louisville, KY

#2807 Dec 26, 2012
pailrider wrote:
<quoted text>
Ok if you say so TROLL, you have multiple usernames mandy james!
I am in Louisville and Mandy is in Glendale, KY around 60 miles south of me. We are different posters.
BTW
So sorry to see one of your queer buddies ENLIGHTENED HUSBAND vanished.
We will miss him like a case of the clap!
Pastor Steven L Anderson

San Jose, CA

#2811 Dec 27, 2012
Mandy wrote:
<quoted text>
Most of the guys who have been posting do what Male gyno's banned. I never said you did & I had replied to pailrider. I get that some people don't like a different gender doctor but to say they all are perverts is wrong. Also I am so tired of being told I don't know how a man thinks, but most men on here will say women are wired differently or we don't have à right to have an opinion on a doctor that deals with our bodies. My husband doesn't care what the gender of my doctor is. He has said he doesn't want me to see the mid-wife I had, but that was just because she didn't know what she was doing.
According to the bible Male Gynaecologists are wrong.

“And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret.”– Ephesians 5:11, 12

“I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.”– Revelation 3:18

“So he that goeth in to his neighbour's wife; whosoever toucheth her shall not be innocent.”– Proverbs 6:29
1. Is nudity before the opposite gender a sin?

We are living in a day when the overwhelming majority of Christians and non-Christians alike believe in situational ethics.“The end justifies the means” seems to be the philosophy of today’s independent Baptist churches. God, on the other hand, has always been the God of moral absolutes.

Is nudity before the opposite gender a sin? Well if it is, then it must always be a sin, whether at an xxx theater, a swimming pool, or in a doctor’s office.

In the Bible, the only nakedness allowable between a man and a woman is between husband and wife. Genesis 2:25 reads,“And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.” Within the confines of marriage nakedness is totally permissible. However, in Leviticus 18, God goes into great detail condemning nakedness between brother and sister, father and daughter, mother and son, aunt and nephew, uncle and niece, grandfather and granddaughter, and the list goes on and on.

God also admonishes us repeatedly throughout the Bible to be fully clothed. Nakedness in the Bible is associated with the word “shame.” One of the many examples of this association is found in Isaiah 47:3a,“Thy nakedness shall be uncovered, yea, thy shame shall be seen:” as well as in Revelation 3:18 (above). Exodus 28:42 reads,“And thou shalt make them linen breeches to cover their nakedness; from the loins even unto the thighs they shall reach.” God is commanding here for a man to wear pants or shorts that cover his entire thigh (down to the knee) in order not to be naked. Isaiah 47:2-3 reads,“Take the millstones, and grind meal: uncover thy locks, make bare the leg, uncover the thigh, pass over the rivers. Thy nakedness shall be uncovered, yea, thy shame shall be seen: I will take vengeance, and I will not meet thee as a man.” God shows us again here, in this case with a woman, that the thigh being uncovered is considered nakedness by God. Repeatedly throughout the New Testament, God commands women to be clothed in modest apparel because nakedness is undoubtedly a sin.

2. Are male obstetricians or gynecologists condoned in the Bible?

Given that nudity before a person of the opposite gender is a sin, why is it a commonly accepted practice among Baptists and others for a woman to be naked and examined by a male doctor? This most disgusting practice is totally unfounded in God’s word. OB/GYN's (doctors of pregnancy and women's health) are considered somehow immune from the lust of the flesh and the lust of the eyes.
Pastor Steven L Anderson

San Jose, CA

#2812 Dec 27, 2012
Mandy wrote:
<quoted text>
Most of the guys who have been posting do what Male gyno's banned. I never said you did & I had replied to pailrider. I get that some people don't like a different gender doctor but to say they all are perverts is wrong. Also I am so tired of being told I don't know how a man thinks, but most men on here will say women are wired differently or we don't have à right to have an opinion on a doctor that deals with our bodies. My husband doesn't care what the gender of my doctor is. He has said he doesn't want me to see the mid-wife I had, but that was just because she didn't know what she was doing.
Male Gynecologists are wrong.

We are living in a day when the overwhelming majority of Christians and non-Christians alike believe in situational ethics.“The end justifies the means” seems to be the philosophy of today’s independent Baptist churches. God, on the other hand, has always been the God of moral absolutes.

Is nudity before the opposite gender a sin? Well if it is, then it must always be a sin, whether at an xxx theater, a swimming pool, or in a doctor’s office.

In the Bible, the only nakedness allowable between a man and a woman is between husband and wife. Genesis 2:25 reads,“And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.” Within the confines of marriage nakedness is totally permissible. However, in Leviticus 18, God goes into great detail condemning nakedness between brother and sister, father and daughter, mother and son, aunt and nephew, uncle and niece, grandfather and granddaughter, and the list goes on and on.

God also admonishes us repeatedly throughout the Bible to be fully clothed. Nakedness in the Bible is associated with the word “shame.” One of the many examples of this association is found in Isaiah 47:3a,“Thy nakedness shall be uncovered, yea, thy shame shall be seen:” as well as in Revelation 3:18 (above). Exodus 28:42 reads,“And thou shalt make them linen breeches to cover their nakedness; from the loins even unto the thighs they shall reach.” God is commanding here for a man to wear pants or shorts that cover his entire thigh (down to the knee) in order not to be naked. Isaiah 47:2-3 reads,“Take the millstones, and grind meal: uncover thy locks, make bare the leg, uncover the thigh, pass over the rivers. Thy nakedness shall be uncovered, yea, thy shame shall be seen: I will take vengeance, and I will not meet thee as a man.” God shows us again here, in this case with a woman, that the thigh being uncovered is considered nakedness by God. Repeatedly throughout the New Testament, God commands women to be clothed in modest apparel because nakedness is undoubtedly a sin.

2. Are male obstetricians or gynecologists condoned in the Bible?

Given that nudity before a person of the opposite gender is a sin, why is it a commonly accepted practice among Baptists and others for a woman to be naked and examined by a male doctor? This most disgusting practice is totally unfounded in God’s word. OB/GYN's (doctors of pregnancy and women's health) are considered somehow immune from the lust of the flesh and the lust of the eyes. If God is so against nudity between members of the opposite gender, why would he allow a man called a doctor to examine a woman’s naked body throughout her pregnancy and up to the birth as if he were somehow immune from sin or God’s laws?

Throughout the Bible, women who are pregnant or giving birth are attended by “nurses” or “midwives.” Not one time in God’s word is there mention of a woman being examined nude by a man who is a medical professional. God intended women to assist other women with these types of medical issues.

http://faithfulwordbaptist.org/page2.html

http://faithfulwordbaptist.org/index.html

http://faithfulwordbaptist.org/gynecologists....
Pastor Steven L Anderson

San Jose, CA

#2813 Dec 27, 2012
Mandy wrote:
<quoted text>
Most of the guys who have been posting do what Male gyno's banned. I get that some people don't like a different gender doctor but to say they all are perverts is wrong.My husband doesn't care what the gender of my doctor is.
2. Are male obstetricians or gynecologists condoned in the Bible?

Given that nudity before a person of the opposite gender is a sin, why is it a commonly accepted practice among Baptists and others for a woman to be naked and examined by a male doctor? This most disgusting practice is totally unfounded in God’s word. OB/GYN's (doctors of pregnancy and women's health) are considered somehow immune from the lust of the flesh and the lust of the eyes. If God is so against nudity between members of the opposite gender, why would he allow a man called a doctor to examine a woman’s naked body throughout her pregnancy and up to the birth as if he were somehow immune from sin or God’s laws?

Throughout the Bible, women who are pregnant or giving birth are attended by “nurses” or “midwives.” Not one time in God’s word is there mention of a woman being examined nude by a man who is a medical professional. God intended women to assist other women with these types of medical issues. Women have been giving birth to children for the last 6,000 years without the aid of male doctors, and yet Christians today seem to think that a woman must expose herself to a male doctor in the name of medicine. This is totally ridiculous and contrary to God’s word.

Many have used the argument,“Oh, they’ve seen it so many times; it no longer affects them.” This is exactly the opposite of reality. Men who look at nudity and pornography for extended periods become more perverted, not less perverted. If the appetite for nudity is fed, the appetite increases not diminishes.

Others have used the argument,“Oh, my gynecologist is a nice elderly man. He isn’t thinking any dirty thoughts.” That old man was once a young man who decided to go to school to be an obstetrician/gynecologist in order to examine women in intimate areas. We have strained at the gnat of women giving birth with the help of experienced women or midwives, and we have swallowed the camel of godly, Christian women exposing themselves to a strange man in a doctor’s office. God help us!

Independent, fundamental Baptist preachers stand up in pulpits across America and breathe fire about mixed swimming, immodest clothing, nudity on television, dancing, mini-skirts, etc., as they should, but why don’t they have the morals or courage to condemn this practice which is more revealing and more wicked than any of the others mentioned?!




3. Are male gynecologists professionals or perverts?

Jeremiah 17:9 reads,“The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?” What kind of a man would go into a profession of examining women’s private parts? Don’t tell me that he is not made of the same sinful flesh that every other man is made of. No man can look at pornographic images and not be affected. This is why God commands us repeatedly to set no wicked thing before our eyes.

Because of years and years of looking at and touching scores of women inappropriately, the male gynecologist no doubt has a seared conscience and a perverted mind (I will not go into detail of what goes on in the doctor’s office for decency’s sake, but any woman who has been there knows what I am referring to.). His view of women and the marital bed has certainly been warped by his indecent involvement with countless women.

http://faithfulwordbaptist.org/page2.html

http://www.stevenandersonfamily.blogspot.com/ #

http://faithfulwordbaptist.org/gynecologists....
Mandy

United States

#2814 Dec 27, 2012
If I want to be preached at I will go to church. The bible also states that if you look at someone with lust you should put your eye out. How are you typing & reading this if you are blind because there is no way you have never looked at someone & not found them attractive. The bible is not to be taken literally any priest will tell you that & I would trust them as they have to go to school for years over you who is probably a self professed preacher. You do realize that if a woman has a heart attack her doctor will see her nude as they have to break her breast bone to get to the heart so they will see her breasts. I guess we shoudl just let all people die instead of getting them medical help. Get off your soap box. You aren't going to convert anyone. And James I actually live in Hodgenville, but you know how phones are. I guess that was the tower I was bouncing off of.
Janice

Gateshead, UK

#2815 Dec 27, 2012
Mandy wrote:
If I want to be preached at I will go to church. The bible also states that if you look at someone with lust you should put your eye out. How are you typing & reading this if you are blind because there is no way you have never looked at someone & not found them attractive. The bible is not to be taken literally any priest will tell you that & I would trust them as they have to go to school for years over you who is probably a self professed preacher. You do realize that if a woman has a heart attack her doctor will see her nude as they have to break her breast bone to get to the heart so they will see her breasts. I guess we shoudl just let all people die instead of getting them medical help. Get off your soap box. You aren't going to convert anyone. And James I actually live in Hodgenville, but you know how phones are. I guess that was the tower I was bouncing off of.
Mandy, I think one case is to be in a state of necessity and another thing is willingly, electively and unnecessarily choosing a man to take care of your female sex.

A pap test for instance can be done (and is often done) by nurses and junior doctors, does not require a high degree of specialization. There is indeed no reason to prefer a doctor over another. Any of them can do it properly and if one lady doctor is not good, you find another one who is good.

The Catechism of the catholic Church states:

2521. Purity requires modesty, an integral part of temperance. Modesty protects the intimate center of the person. It means refusing to unveil what should remain hidden. It is ordered to chastity to whose sensitivity it bears witness. It guides how one looks at others and behaves toward them in conformity with the dignity of persons and their solidarity.

2522. Modesty protects the mystery of persons and their love. It encourages patience and moderation in loving relationships; it requires that the conditions for the definitive giving and commitment of man and woman to one another be fulfilled. Modesty is decency. It inspires ones choice of clothing. It keeps silence or reserve where there is evident risk of unhealthy curiosity. It is discreet.

2523. There is a modesty of the feelings as well as of the body.... Modesty inspires a way of life which makes it possible to resist the allurements of fashion and the pressures of prevailing ideologies.

With good reason, then, does St. Paul recommend this virtue to all and declare how necessary it is and as if this were not enough he considers that this virtue should be obvious to all. By continence the soul exercises restraint over all the senses: sight, touch, taste, smell and hearing.

Once said this, as a lay person you can do anything you want: it is a free world, but the principles of modesty extends to all contexts. Have you ever heard of a Nun being visited naked by a male doctor? No catholic nuns would do so, unless it was absolutely necessary, and they would do so reluctantly and simply because there is no alternative, not as a first free choice
Mandy

United States

#2816 Dec 27, 2012
Actually Janice, or hey Enlightened Husband, I have heard a nun having a male dcotor. My husband's great aunt was a nun, & she had male doctor's for years for her care. Don't know if she ever had a pap smear because unlike some of you on here, that's not something I ask people in conversation. Get over it people. One naked body is the same as another. Don't preach to me about the Catholic church, because you will lose. If you don't want to go to a male doctor, then don't. Nobody is forcing you to, but stop trying to make them all out to be bad guys. Plus just because there is a woman available doesn't mean she is the best at it or even good at it.
Janice

Gateshead, UK

#2818 Dec 27, 2012
Mandy wrote:
Actually Janice, or hey Enlightened Husband, I have heard a nun having a male dcotor. My husband's great aunt was a nun, & she had male doctor's for years for her care. Don't know if she ever had a pap smear because unlike some of you on here, that's not something I ask people in conversation. Get over it people. One naked body is the same as another. Don't preach to me about the Catholic church, because you will lose. If you don't want to go to a male doctor, then don't. Nobody is forcing you to, but stop trying to make them all out to be bad guys. Plus just because there is a woman available doesn't mean she is the best at it or even good at it.
I don't know who's husband you are referring to.

With reference to the nun you know, one thing is if she goes for a sore throat, another thing is if she goes for a gynecological visit. In the first case modesty is not an issue, isn't it? So not sure what's the point of talking about that nun.

I am expressing an opinion about the Catholic view, since you referred to priests knowing it better. I am telling you that no priest will tell you it is right or wrong in absolute terms. They will always look at the context.

If it is necessary (meaning you cannot receive health care otherwise) then it is allowed to go to male doctor even for genital exams. If, however you could have the same care, keeping your modesty intact, then you should do so.

It does not seem too complicated to understand.

I have also not said male doctors performing intimate examinations are perverts, have I?

I, however, believe all humans are made of flesh and subject to the same temptations. Can you give birth naturally without pain? Can you be exempt from lust? Can your husband? We are all susceptible of the same temptations. Modesty, applies to doctors too.

God created us Men and Women, all equals, there is no Sin-Exempt Neutral-Gendered Doctors
Mandy

United States

#2820 Dec 27, 2012
pailrider wrote:
<quoted text>
Mandy James you don't understand this >>>
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/9564161/Sex...
No way you can undrstand the bible with tunnel vision, unable to look out side the box. I Rest my case Mandy James!
Go back to jacking off pervert. We all know why you look up all these threads. I those right you are actually a female doctor trying to drum up business because no one will come to you. Get over it pailrider & join your buddy EH. I am assuming he either got banned or his wife or mother took his computer away.
Mandy

United States

#2821 Dec 27, 2012
Janice you make no sense at all. Might I suggest all you people from the UK stock to stuff in your own country & leave the people in the US alone. I really don't care about your opinion's about our doctor's. You've probably never visited one so don't try to say you know the way they all think.

Since: Dec 12

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#2823 Dec 27, 2012
pailrider wrote:
The Million Dollar Question?
..........Mandy James or James Mandy..........
Seriously, why would you even care? You are so childish!
Redundancy its just getting old

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