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Educated

Johnson City, TN

#141 Jun 7, 2012
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<quoted text> You must be part of the "education" system to write this propaganda. If its such a bad deal quit and save us the money.
Which part do you consider "propaganda"? The truths you don't want to hear/read???
Monty

Linville, NC

#142 Jun 7, 2012
What wrote:
<quoted text> You must be part of the "education" system to write this propaganda. If its such a bad deal quit and save us the money.
It's not propaganda if it's the truth, which it is. Obviously you should have stayed in the education system a little longer.
Monty

Linville, NC

#143 Jun 7, 2012
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<quoted text> What real world do you educrats live in that lets you make a great living off the backs of taxpayers without delivering any results. You liberals are funny; if somebody doesn't buy your BS they are "uneducated". Guess what most of us are realizing that you educators are the reason the country is going to crap.
Still didn't answer the question. What standard course of study would you recommend? Please describe in detail how you would "fix" the educational system? K-12. Typical Repubs. Raging against something they know nothing about while offering know real and feasible solutions.
Monty

Linville, NC

#144 Jun 7, 2012
"no"
Monty

Linville, NC

#145 Jun 7, 2012
common wrote:
<quoted text>We never said they were rich, but they do live middle class and that's a lot better than most people in this county so they need to shut up and be thankful they at least have that! Jealous of a teacher no, but sick of their whining and constantly asking for more raises, yes! You may also want to ask the taxpayers, how many kids do not graduate and end up pregnant before they even turn 18? How many end up with no job, strung out on drugs, and thieves just to support their lives before graduating? From what I've saw for many years it's the popular kids or the ones involved in sports that get everything handed over to them and all the scholarships. You know, the group of teachers pets? More money "for the schools" is obviously not the answer. I'm all for aides as long as it's volunteer, but not my tax money paying for their salaries, sorry!
The issues that you described goes back to parenting, not teaching. Parents have let their children down. And the kids that get everything, as you put it, the athletes, are typically more driven to be more successful. They work harder toward their goals. The kids that you described as being strung out usually do not have a stable home life. Again the things described are parenting issues, not teaching. To many people expect the schools to raise their kids.
ThinkinMan

Ashburn, VA

#146 Jun 8, 2012
Monty wrote:
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Still didn't answer the question. What standard course of study would you recommend? Please describe in detail how you would "fix" the educational system? K-12. Typical Repubs. Raging against something they know nothing about while offering know real and feasible solutions.
I have already stated my idea that money for education should be spent in the classroom and not for some high-dollar administrators in the superintendent's office. I also cede the fact that most of our school board members may not have college degrees and may not understand the responsibilities entrusted to them by the voters. However; in this day and time, the voter's are beginning to hold their elected officials accountable, ie; the recent recall election in Wisconsin. If the school board had to take a more active role in the operation of the school system rather than relying on the superintendent's office, I think the voter's would eventually be able to discern between the "doers" and the "wannabees".

As to the school curriculum, I would propose an 8am-2pm schedule for grades K-2 and for grades 3-12 an 8am-3pm schedule. Gone would be the days of high school seniors leaving school at 1pm. Instead, all students would be required to take 5 classes per semester with 1 period of say Library/Study Hall (remember those days). And get this, the free period could not be set up as a preferential prep time for band students and athletes that practice after school. Currently, this practice stifles the class scheduling system.

Now as to the classes being taught: naturally we need to offer English, Math, Science, History, Biology, Chemistry, Calculus, Physics, Algebra, Economics and for extra measure how about an introduction to Computers, Business, Music Appreciation, Art Appreciation, Voice (individual or choral), Theater and maybe Dance. If you could find the resources you might even be able to offer some instruction on the beginners level say for guitar, piano, violin and drums. Boy, does this sound like a dream world with this curriculum? Not really -- in my local high school from 30+ years ago, these things were taught. And get this, in my senior year, I actually went to school until 3pm and had exams three days before I graduated. Man, the education system has really improved since I was in high school --lol.

Now to pay for this curriculum: In most cases, our teachers are certified to teach more than one subject. Let's begin using all of the skill sets available to the school system -- not just what's popular. Does this place more work on the teacher? Probably so, but I think most would love the challenge and be up for something different. For some of the other classes of specialized instruction, the school may have to charge a fee to offset the cost of the instructor. All of this could be determined simply by polling the students as to their level of interest. And yes, we need to make allowances for kids who cannot afford the fees.

Of course, this proposal flies in the face of what is currently being mandated by the state as far as courses and credits needed to graduate. But if I could have my "druthers", then this is where I would begin. I am not saying that it is foolproof -- but it could be a start.
ThinkinMan

Ashburn, VA

#147 Jun 8, 2012
One other thing that I forgot to mention concerning teachers. Teachers should be encouraged to increase their certifications as to the classes that they can teach. Let's face it, if after 5 years of employment as a teacher, if all you can teach or all that you want to teach is Phys Ed or Drivers Ed, then the school system should let you go. Under my plan, those types of classes would be used for entry-level teaching positions and not for life-long careers.
hillbillyboy

Elizabethton, TN

#148 Jun 8, 2012
And there is also the type of teaching styles which are a big part of the problem.

Instead of the long term memory of teaching syles that we had in the past (where kids actually retained stuff), now it is short term memory file that is being taught.

That is a form of "teaching for the test". And once the test is taken, the stuff in the short term memory file is mostly erased so that the cramming for the new test can go on.

End result? The kids actually remember very litle in long term memory.

That is just another thing wrong with the "No child left behind" law. And our politicians that enacted this stupid law didnt know enough about teaching to see it comming.

The teachers unions and educrats probably did. But, the law got passed anyway. The politicians wanted to be see as being all "for education", and so ruined it.

And now, we see the local govt wasting and squandering the $$$ needed for the schools. Except they seem to be more interested in saving the big pay checks and perks of the superintendents, and giving raises to the workers in the county govt.

Not the lower pay levels, but mostly to the clerks, administrators, and secretaries in county govt.

And trying to decieve the poor stupid voters to vote in a wheel tax under the false banner of "going for the schools".

What needs to be done is to start with doing away with the "No child left behind" law, and then reorganize the teaching styles to be geared more towards long term memory retention.

And then cut the pay of the clerks, superintendents, and secretaries, so that these monies can be spent actually on the schools.

"No child left behind" wasnt about improving the schools. It was about giving more control in the class rooms to those groups who wanted to push a liberal agenda onto the kids over the objections of the parents ands the populace.

If we start by getting rid of this odious law and giving more control back to the counties in what gets taught and how, then the local voters can get more involved in reforming the schools to be functional.

No child left behind is destroying the school system, and bankrupting the counties with mandates we cant pay for, and curriculum that is wrong and corrosive to the students.

The voters need to begin a campaign to get the law repealed so that the local school boards (under close public scrutiny) can begin the rebuilding process.
eastside patriot

Nashville, TN

#149 Jun 8, 2012
how about you leave the sports to after school,bring back classes like GBT,MEAT CUTTING,THAT WAY KIDS THAT DON'T GO TO COLLEGE WILL LEARN A TRADE.
jay

Manchester, TN

#150 Jun 9, 2012
eastside patriot wrote:
how about you leave the sports to after school,bring back classes like GBT,MEAT CUTTING,THAT WAY KIDS THAT DON'T GO TO COLLEGE WILL LEARN A TRADE.
did they cut the meat cutting class at unaka? I know alot of guys that took it and now that is what they do because they love it!
eastside patriot

Nashville, TN

#151 Jun 9, 2012
jay wrote:
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did they cut the meat cutting class at unaka? I know alot of guys that took it and now that is what they do because they love it!
i know they cut gbt, several years ago.i had auto mechs.but when my nephew had it a couple years ago at HHS that didn't learn squat.if they would teach more trade instead of sports maybe kids would learn more.
hillbillyboy

Elizabethton, TN

#152 Jun 12, 2012
How true!

The educrats in charge of vthe public schools are so out of touch with the real world that they have no insight as to how to prepare kids for life in the economy.

In other words, the schools have lost much of their function and sense of purpose.

Not surprising though, considering that the educrats tend to live inivory towers, and concern themselves with little except to seek ever more raises and perks from the public coffers.

Andwhen the public is broke and too poor to pay for the raises, then the educrats go to demanding a wheel tax be imposed on the backs of the working poor.

And that is the condition of the education system today. Irrelevant and oppressive in its financial policies and demands on the people.

People who mostly earn less that 1/2 of the teachers salary, and probably less that 1/8th of an administrators salary.

There seems to be something terribly wrong with the public schools at every level. No portion of the public schools issue has a satisfactory result.

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