Since: Mar 13

Kingsport, TN

#21 Mar 17, 2013
My child is in the only Sociology class at Elizabethton High School, and she has told me multiple times it is not a sociology experiment..
Hillbillyboy

United States

#22 Mar 17, 2013
In that case, the school officials need to be consulted, as where there is smoke there is fire. If it really isnt a sociology class, then its something else.

A drug selling ring, perhaps? Or worse?

Time to call the school director about this, and get to the bottom of it, I would suggest.

If its nothing, then he will tell us. If it is something sinister, then he will deal with it.
parent

Morristown, TN

#23 Mar 17, 2013
My children also attend EHS and have no idea what it is. I have questioned them. I guess I will call someone on Monday and try to figure it out.

I have read everyones comments and it appears there is some sort of secret to it and something us as parents are not suppose to know.
Jailbird

United States

#24 Mar 17, 2013
Ashlee wrote:
Omg, a cult? like seriously, what has gotten into teens these days?
Whats the difference in this cult and the cult called Christianity. Based on fables and lies, never proven, needing money to gain more members.
Jolene

Washington, DC

#25 Mar 17, 2013
A word to the wise. Most people who major in sociology in college end up flipping burgers. Stick to the hard sciences. The classes are more difficult, but they pay off in the end.
hmmm

Johnson City, TN

#26 Mar 17, 2013
Lamentations 4:17

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#27 Mar 17, 2013
Jolene wrote:
A word to the wise. Most people who major in sociology in college end up flipping burgers. Stick to the hard sciences. The classes are more difficult, but they pay off in the end.
Where did you come up with that theory? And let me ask you, what degree do you hold?
grandma in tn

United States

#28 Mar 17, 2013
Jailbird wrote:
<quoted text>Whats the difference in this cult and the cult called Christianity. Based on fables and lies, never proven, needing money to gain more members.
Go back to sleep
religion

Morristown, TN

#29 Mar 18, 2013
hmmm wrote:
Lamentations 4:17
Pretty sure thats not it since religion isn't allowed in schools.
Parent of EHS Senior

Elizabethton, TN

#30 Mar 21, 2013
First, 417 Salvation WAS a sociology project. Random number, catchy name. Only the class knew of it. The principal gave the ok for it. He was not to tell other teachers. When a class member was asked about 417 he or she would say "I can't tell you". They wore wrist bands, put signs on their lockers and made a facebook page. As I understand to just stop advertising it on 4/17 and see what happened. My child told me this morning that they are stopping now. Kudos to parents who talk to their children. I noticed the bracelet the first day and asked about it. Sociology is an elective. My child already has 4 maths, 3 sciences and is finishing the required 4th English. The project for all practical reasons was a success even though it was intended to go a litle longer and they were looking for different end results. The parents put the heat on. Even so the class will be compiling their data and discussing it. The teacher will be guiding them through and disclosing his observations of them in this project. Learning about yourself helps you in life. Being able to function in society is a must. There are math and science geeks who feel made fun of and even bullied by our society. All projects have good and bad data. Their will always be good and bad. Help your children to filter it properly.

Since: Aug 12

Location hidden

#31 Mar 21, 2013
I am not sure if this has any bearing on this topic but there is a burgeoning movement amongst Christian teens nationwide to witness and pray for the lost classmates in their local school.

For example, lets say that you have 500 students enrolled, statistically only 20% are Christian leaving 400 students who are spiritually lost. So, in this instance, the Christian teens would start a "400" campaign to begin praying and hopefully at some point, to open up a discussion about salvation. The goal of the program is to see how many times you can "rename" the program as teens begin making decisions about their spiritual life.

For me, I don't see the harm in providing a means for teens to open up and discuss their viewpoints on spiritual matters. Let's recognize that it is easier to open up with your peers than it is with anyone else.

The only advice that I can give to the Christian teens is to NOT let the discussions get to the point of an argument on scripture. As a matter of fact, scripture should not be discussed in any context unless mentioned by the other person. Christianity does not need "hard sell" tactics. The Gospel Of Christ will stand on its own ... we are only messengers. Respecting a differing ideology does not mean that you are compromising yours....and perhaps, you may learn something when you listen.
Hillbillyboy

United States

#32 Mar 21, 2013
Hello thinkingman. Been a while, but always good to hear from ye!:)
Jailbird

Johnson City, TN

#33 Mar 21, 2013
ThinkinMan wrote:
I am not sure if this has any bearing on this topic but there is a burgeoning movement amongst Christian teens nationwide to witness and pray for the lost classmates in their local school.
For example, lets say that you have 500 students enrolled, statistically only 20% are Christian leaving 400 students who are spiritually lost. So, in this instance, the Christian teens would start a "400" campaign to begin praying and hopefully at some point, to open up a discussion about salvation. The goal of the program is to see how many times you can "rename" the program as teens begin making decisions about their spiritual life.
For me, I don't see the harm in providing a means for teens to open up and discuss their viewpoints on spiritual matters. Let's recognize that it is easier to open up with your peers than it is with anyone else.
The only advice that I can give to the Christian teens is to NOT let the discussions get to the point of an argument on scripture. As a matter of fact, scripture should not be discussed in any context unless mentioned by the other person. Christianity does not need "hard sell" tactics. The Gospel Of Christ will stand on its own ... we are only messengers. Respecting a differing ideology does not mean that you are compromising yours....and perhaps, you may learn something when you listen.
How true. You may become a free thinker and realize all the make believe things are just that, make believe. The reason The Gospel of Christ has no hard sell is because its fake and they can't produce any factual proof. I'd believe in Bigfoot before I'd believe a slick haired preacher with his offering plate.
Parent of EHS Senior

Elizabethton, TN

#34 Mar 21, 2013
THE 417 Salvation project had nothing to do with Christian teens witnessing to the lost.

It was a sociology project with a random number (417) and a name (Salvation) people relate to. We all live in social groups.

Project done. No harm, no foul. No conspiracy. Just High School students performing a sociology project.

As far as the lifestyle of free thinking goes, it takes FAITH. As far as the lifestyle of Christianity goes, it takes FAITH.

Corrie Ten Boom (a real person) said that FAITH is not jumping off the train when going through a tunnel, but trusting the engineer.

Who is your engineer?

WE ALL HAVE FAITH in what we believe. Hopefully, your faith gives you PEACE that you know that you know that you know. BUT who is your engineer?
I KNOW

Elizabethton, TN

#35 Mar 21, 2013
Hey EHS parent! You are right on the money!
Just Checking

Elizabethton, TN

#36 Mar 21, 2013
I just heard about this salvation 417 thing and that as parents we should check topix. Well, I am going with the parent of the ehs senior because that is what I heard at least three times if not more and I believed. Now I feel stupid because I questioned my belief and checked this site. It was a school project. End of Story.(period) HOW IN THE WORLD DO WE ADULTS KEEP PLAYING THE TELEPHONE GAME!!! When are we ADULTS gonna grow up.

O we of little faith
Stoney Creek

Johnson City, TN

#37 Mar 21, 2013
I would be concerned about any "school project" masquerading as a sociology experiement. Especially if the students are not supposed to talk about it. The experiment may tell the participants that other students are the experiement subjects when in fact their behavior is being studied.

Please stick to teaching our kids "reading, writing, and arithmetic" overpaid and unenlightened bureaucrats.

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#38 Mar 21, 2013
Stoney Creek wrote:
I would be concerned about any "school project" masquerading as a sociology experiement. Especially if the students are not supposed to talk about it. The experiment may tell the participants that other students are the experiement subjects when in fact their behavior is being studied.

Please stick to teaching our kids "reading, writing, and arithmetic" overpaid and unenlightened bureaucrats.
Overpaid? Get your head out of the sand. Teachers aren't rolling in the money.
Stoney Creek

Johnson City, TN

#39 Mar 21, 2013
frustratedveteran wrote:
<quoted text>
Overpaid? Get your head out of the sand. Teachers aren't rolling in the money.
I said bureaucrats not teachers. I would advise you to remove your head from its lodging but it appears to be a permanent condition.

Since: Aug 12

Location hidden

#40 Mar 22, 2013
Stoney Creek wrote:
I would be concerned about any "school project" masquerading as a sociology experiement. Especially if the students are not supposed to talk about it. The experiment may tell the participants that other students are the experiement subjects when in fact their behavior is being studied.
Please stick to teaching our kids "reading, writing, and arithmetic" overpaid and unenlightened bureaucrats.
I understand your reluctance to see this type of teaching in our schools ...BUT... this is exactly the kinds of techniques that our kids will be exposed to in college. Right, wrong or indifferent... you have to agree that Carter County students need better preparation for college than what they are currently getting. I know for a fact that college is not about how much you can memorize to spew out on a test. The professors want to know if you can show HOW to use what you have learned...they are not impressed by how large your brain memory center happens to be. Ask any university professor today what the biggest deficiency in today's student and you get this: Students today have serious faults in the ability to rationalize, analyze and improvise.

Sadly to say, one of the culprits for these faults is the No Child Left Behind initiative. Students are measured on how well they can take a test which in turn is used to measure the effectiveness of the teacher. So what happens ... students are tutored on HOW to take a test rather than on HOW to use the knowledge that they have gained. For the teachers, there is an old business maxim that goes something like this: "Give me the yardstick (NCLB) and I will show you how to measure (test preparation)."

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