Liberals who oppose using "Christmas"...

Since: Apr 12

Englewood, CO

#21 Nov 29, 2012
Robert wrote:
I say we give the libs and the atheist what they want, no more Christmas. And take away the national holiday also. No more paid day off. I am sure they are against that!!!
Actually that sounds like more of a neo-conman thing.. Thoase lazy workers have too many days off anyway, right?
hmmm

Abingdon, VA

#22 Nov 29, 2012
Actually it's been upheld by the Supreme Court that people cannot use religion to exert power and influence over people in the public sector, only private. If I had my way, any church who tried to get involved in political races would be stripped of their tax-exempt status. I'm an agnostic and I don't wish to have someone else's faith shoved down my throat but they're free to worship how they choose privately. Also, yes, there are ties to Christianity here but there are also ties to other religions (Muslim, Hindu, etc) that are almost always discriminated against by the "Christian" right. It's when you get people like "Robert" who ignorantly believe athiests and liberals are the same thing you can't really have much of an intelligent conversation.

Since: Apr 12

Englewood, CO

#23 Nov 29, 2012
hmmm wrote:
Actually it's been upheld by the Supreme Court that people cannot use religion to exert power and influence over people in the public sector, only private. If I had my way, any church who tried to get involved in political races would be stripped of their tax-exempt status. I'm an agnostic and I don't wish to have someone else's faith shoved down my throat but they're free to worship how they choose privately. Also, yes, there are ties to Christianity here but there are also ties to other religions (Muslim, Hindu, etc) that are almost always discriminated against by the "Christian" right. It's when you get people like "Robert" who ignorantly believe athiests and liberals are the same thing you can't really have much of an intelligent conversation.
Exactly.... And I don't remember in the stories I have read that Jesus was so intolerant of other religions and ways of thinking. Nor do I recall Him being so nasty and mean to those who thought differently. What I do remember was that He said to love each other above all else. So I am pretty convinced that Jesus would have been a fairly liberal leaning individual.
And there is more than a little evidence that Jesus was influenced by and may have studied Buddhism and other far eastern beliefs.
wrong

United States

#24 Nov 29, 2012
hmmm wrote:
Actually it's been upheld by the Supreme Court that people cannot use religion to exert power and influence over people in the public sector, only private. If I had my way, any church who tried to get involved in political races would be stripped of their tax-exempt status. I'm an agnostic and I don't wish to have someone else's faith shoved down my throat but they're free to worship how they choose privately. Also, yes, there are ties to Christianity here but there are also ties to other religions (Muslim, Hindu, etc) that are almost always discriminated against by the "Christian" right. It's when you get people like "Robert" who ignorantly believe athiests and liberals are the same thing you can't really have much of an intelligent conversation.
It's already been established that the supreme court over stepped its boundries to legislate law. There is nothing in the 1st amendment that prohibits religious expression in public...including government offices and schools. Read it. It's actually designed to protect that right.
hmmm

Abingdon, VA

#25 Nov 29, 2012
wrong wrote:
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It's already been established that the supreme court over stepped its boundries to legislate law. There is nothing in the 1st amendment that prohibits religious expression in public...including government offices and schools. Read it. It's actually designed to protect that right.
Really? Who established that...the Supreme Supreme Court?
Roland

Knoxville, TN

#26 Nov 29, 2012
To those who are against Separation of Church and State, do you believe that Biblical Law should be upheld in our courts?
hmmm

Abingdon, VA

#27 Nov 29, 2012
Roland wrote:
To those who are against Separation of Church and State, do you believe that Biblical Law should be upheld in our courts?
The only laws/statutes that should be upheld in our courts are those instituted by proper governing legislative bodies. If they happen to mirror laws of the bible so be it.

Since: Aug 12

Location hidden

#28 Nov 30, 2012
Son of SickNTired wrote:
<quoted text>...So I am pretty convinced that Jesus would have been a fairly liberal leaning individual....
Not so sure about the "liberal" part. After all, HE did say, "I am the way, the truth and the life...no man cometh unto the Father but by me."

In these words, Jesus was declaring Himself the great "I AM". HE was the ONLY path to righteousness, the ONLY true measure of righteousness, and the ONLY source of both physical and spiritual life. He was staking His claim as the God of Genesis, the LORD who blessed Abraham, and the Holy One who inhabits eternity.

He did this so the disciples would be able to face the opposition in the days ahead and carry on the mission of declaring HIS gospel to the world. Once they understood the truth of His words, they became changed people, and the world was never the same.

Now, I am not posting this to "knock" the beliefs of others or to attempt to "change" your mindset...only to make the point, that in this regard, Jesus did not allow room for "other ways".

Since: Apr 12

Englewood, CO

#29 Nov 30, 2012
Roland wrote:
To those who are against Separation of Church and State, do you believe that Biblical Law should be upheld in our courts?
No way. Since there is no state religion, which religions laws should we obey? Its a silly argument.

Since: Aug 12

Location hidden

#30 Nov 30, 2012
Roland wrote:
To those who are against Separation of Church and State, do you believe that Biblical Law should be upheld in our courts?
There is nothing to be "for" or "against" LEGALLY in the concept of "separation of church and state" because it is not a part of our constitutional law. This ideology does not exclude GOD from being in the workings of our government...it does however; exclude our government from establishing a state church.

As to Biblical Law being upheld in our courts system today...that is simply not going to work. The "laws" given in the bible were for a specific people, in a particular place and time and, in most cases, are not applicable to other nations and cultures. That is not to say that some of the biblical law could be used as a foundation for a nations legal system...in some cases, it probably has. Most legal historians would probably caution against using ONLY biblical law exclusive of other influences such as the Magna Carta or the Code of Hammurabi. It also goes without saying that our legal system has become a very complex organism that owes no allegiance to any one set of ideologies.

Since: Apr 12

Englewood, CO

#31 Nov 30, 2012
ThinkinMan wrote:
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Not so sure about the "liberal" part. After all, HE did say, "I am the way, the truth and the life...no man cometh unto the Father but by me."
In these words, Jesus was declaring Himself the great "I AM". HE was the ONLY path to righteousness, the ONLY true measure of righteousness, and the ONLY source of both physical and spiritual life. He was staking His claim as the God of Genesis, the LORD who blessed Abraham, and the Holy One who inhabits eternity.
He did this so the disciples would be able to face the opposition in the days ahead and carry on the mission of declaring HIS gospel to the world. Once they understood the truth of His words, they became changed people, and the world was never the same.
Now, I am not posting this to "knock" the beliefs of others or to attempt to "change" your mindset...only to make the point, that in this regard, Jesus did not allow room for "other ways".
What you say is true, but you leave out what He was actually saying and teaching. We are commanded to love one another, to take care of one another. There is no out for people you don't like or disagree with. Or for those that are of a different color or ethnicity. We are commanded to help the poor and the sick. We are told to love our neighbor as ourselves. We are commanded not to hoard our wealth but to use it to help others. These points are indisputable. They come right from the texts. There nothing that says that cost is something that should prohibit us from doing these things. Yet these self proclaimed "Christians" seem to forget that part, which is the only part that really counts. So, I stand by my statement. If Jesus were to come back, I have a very strong feeling that the ones that ride around with fish symbols on their BMW's would be the first ones to throw the stones.
Wrong

Elizabethton, TN

#32 Nov 30, 2012
Son of SickNTired wrote:
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What you say is true, but you leave out what He was actually saying and teaching. We are commanded to love one another, to take care of one another. There is no out for people you don't like or disagree with. Or for those that are of a different color or ethnicity. We are commanded to help the poor and the sick. We are told to love our neighbor as ourselves. We are commanded not to hoard our wealth but to use it to help others. These points are indisputable. They come right from the texts. There nothing that says that cost is something that should prohibit us from doing these things. Yet these self proclaimed "Christians" seem to forget that part, which is the only part that really counts. So, I stand by my statement. If Jesus were to come back, I have a very strong feeling that the ones that ride around with fish symbols on their BMW's would be the first ones to throw the stones.
Jesus's first commandment was to love your God with all your soul, all your heart, and all your might. I doubt he'd accept christians laying down and not defending Him and His statutes at every turn as love. His second command was to love your neighbor as yourself. Problem is, when christians defend God's name and statutes, they are unfairly labeled as hate mongers. Disagreeing with the murder of unborn babies or gay marriage does not mean that we hate those that commit the acts.

Should the church be establishing law? Absolutely not. But it should not be unfairly discriminated against either. Kids praying in school or carrying a Bible to school is not hurting anyone. Should kids be forced to join? No. But not allowing the ones that want to is a crime.

Since: Apr 12

Englewood, CO

#33 Nov 30, 2012
Wrong wrote:
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Jesus's first commandment was to love your God with all your soul, all your heart, and all your might. I doubt he'd accept christians laying down and not defending Him and His statutes at every turn as love. His second command was to love your neighbor as yourself. Problem is, when christians defend God's name and statutes, they are unfairly labeled as hate mongers. Disagreeing with the murder of unborn babies or gay marriage does not mean that we hate those that commit the acts.
Should the church be establishing law? Absolutely not. But it should not be unfairly discriminated against either. Kids praying in school or carrying a Bible to school is not hurting anyone. Should kids be forced to join? No. But not allowing the ones that want to is a crime.
It is not anyone's place on earth to judge. If what someone is doing is a sin, then they will meet their judgement one day. And unfortunately, too many Christians are hate mongers. To deny that they do is just being blind to the fact. How many Christians are up in arms over the death penalty? How many are trying to prevent pregnancies? How many "Obama is a muslim" types claim to be Christians? I find it absurd that Christians whine about being persicuted, yet they are the vast majority in all political arenas.

And to be quite honest, I am pretty sure God doesn't need anyone defending Him.. I am certain He can take care of Himself. Loving God doesn't mean oppressing others.

Since: Aug 12

Location hidden

#34 Nov 30, 2012
Son of SickNTired wrote:
<quoted text>...We are commanded not to hoard our wealth but to use it to help others. These points are indisputable. They come right from the texts. There nothing that says that cost is something that should prohibit us from doing these things. Yet these self proclaimed "Christians" seem to forget that part, which is the only part that really counts. So, I stand by my statement. If Jesus were to come back, I have a very strong feeling that the ones that ride around with fish symbols on their BMW's would be the first ones to throw the stones.
I will be the first to admit that these "health and wealth" Christians probably hurt Christianity more than they help. You know, if you ask non-Christians what turns them off about Christians, generally you get something like this: "Christians are always trying to get something for nothing. They use their faith to try and get the upper hand...and sometimes they will resort to lying or cheating to get their way." That is not the picture of a Christian that I choose to be but that is the impression that some give to the world.

Christians forget that the world is watching our lives...and we cannot hide our faults as much as we try. And it is not just Christians that have this identity crisis...matter of fact...I would say that Christians who act like that have an "identity theft" problem...they are not what they claim to be. If you believe it, you gotta live it...cannot be one or the other.

Since: Aug 12

Location hidden

#35 Nov 30, 2012
Son of SickNTired wrote:
<quoted text>...And to be quite honest, I am pretty sure God doesn't need anyone defending Him.. I am certain He can take care of Himself. Loving God doesn't mean oppressing others.
I appreciate you for speaking up on some of the aspects of Christian behavior that is totally unacceptable in GOD'S eye. Christians are called to be GOD'S witness to this world and that is a "witness of what HE has done and is doing in our life"...not anything about us. I am sure that some take this call to witnessing as being a defender of the gospel...and it is to some extent...however; GOD can take care of anything at anytime...HE does not need our permission.
grandma in tn

United States

#36 Dec 2, 2012
idiot wrote:
Who cares if you say "merry Christmas" or "happy holidays"? Seems like we have much bigger problems to worry about than how one person greets another around the holidays...geesh.
without Christ in Christmas...this country hasnt got a prayer..and that goes for ALL our Country's problems..
idiots

Abingdon, VA

#37 Dec 3, 2012
grandma in tn wrote:
<quoted text>without Christ in Christmas...this country hasnt got a prayer..and that goes for ALL our Country's problems..
And people who sit around and pray and do nothing else to get involved or make a change should be happy in their current situation as nothing will change.
Pam Miller

Johnson City, TN

#38 Dec 3, 2012
MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!
MERRY CHRISTMAS

United States

#39 Nov 26, 2013
JESUS is the REASON for the Season!

Thank you the father the son and the holy spirit each and every day.
whuut

Abingdon, VA

#40 Nov 26, 2013
MERRY CHRISTMAS wrote:
JESUS is the REASON for the Season!
Thank you the father the son and the holy spirit each and every day.
I thought the reason for the season was shopping so retailers could make their shareholders wealthier...

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