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Irish Coffee

Johnson City, TN

#23 Oct 23, 2012
Proverbs 20

19:He who goes about as a talebearer reveals secrets;
Therefore do not associate with one r who flatters with his lips.
Irish Coffee

Johnson City, TN

#24 Oct 23, 2012
WHAT IS GOSSIP?

The above verses teach that GOSSIPS, SLANDERERS,WHISPERERS, etc., are words used to describe those who spread true or untrue information about a person, but the information concerns "things not proper to mention." We saw that these "things" could include "a transgression," "evil," "dishonor," "a matter," the "secrets of another," or "knowledge," and generally focus in on the past sins, mistakes, and failures of that person.

WHO GOSSIPS?

The arrogant and unforgiving attitude of our sin nature makes us ALL susceptible to getting involved in this abominable sin of gossip. In our selfishness, we feel better about ourselves when we can point to another person's failures.We saw that those that practice the sin of gossip are referred to as "worthless, perverse, wicked, hateful, fools."

WHAT TO DO ABOUT GOSSIP?

The Bible makes it very clear that just because we may have some true information, we do not have the right to share that information, especially when that information is damaging to an individual. Even when a Christian is in sin, it is to be kept quiet, private, and should be dealt with on a person-to-person basis, as follows::

Matthew 18:15 “If your brother sins, go and show him his fault in private; if he listens to
you, you have won your brother.

You go to your brother "in private." If "you have won your brother," the story stops there! If he continues in sin, then you go back with no more than two brothers, as follows:

Matthew 18:16 “But if he does not listen to you, take one or two more with you, so that
by the mouth of two or three witnesses every fact may be confirmed.

If you win your brother with two more witnesses, the story stops there. If he won't listen, proceed as follows::

Matthew 18:17 “If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to
listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector.

If your brother is won by the church, THE STORY STOPS THERE! If he continues in sin, he is to be put out of the church, and yes, you can tell others to perhaps warn them. But telling everyone about a sinning brother could be very damaging to the cause of Christ and the gospel. Does it really do any good to spread other people's failures when we all fail the Lord so many times? Remember, GOSSIP sows strife among the brothers, it's an ABOMINATION!

If someone comes to you and seems to be "GOSSIPING," (slandering another person), stop them immediately! Ask them if they have talked to the person that they seem to be gossiping about. Have they confronted this person about their sin? Has this person gone through church discipline? Is the person still practicing the sin? If the sin or problem has been dealt with, then the person "gossiping" should be confronted for sinning against you and against the person they are talking about. They need to apologize to you and the person they have slandered. You might even say to this person, "Why not tell me about some of your own failures instead of another person's failures. Will my knowing about another person's failures make my Christian walk any better?" "Will this information edify me?" Meditate on the following verses:

Ephesians 4:29-32 Let no unwholesome word proceed from your mouth, but only such a word as is good for edification according to the need of the moment, so that it will give grace to those who hear. Do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. Let all bitterness and wrath and anger and clamor and slander be put away from you, along with all malice. Be kind to one another, tender-hearted, forgiving each other, just as God in Christ also has forgiven you.
Irish Coffee

Johnson City, TN

#25 Oct 23, 2012
1 Timothy 5

13: And besides they learn to be idle, wandering about from house to house, and not only idle but also gossips and busybodies, saying things which they ought not.
Irish Coffee

Johnson City, TN

#26 Oct 23, 2012
WHAT IS GOSSIP?

The above verses teach that GOSSIPS, SLANDERERS,WHISPERERS, etc., are words used to describe those who spread true information about a person, but the information concerns "things not proper to mention." We saw that these "things" could include "a transgression," "evil," "dishonor," "a matter," the "secrets of another," or "knowledge," and generally focus in on the past sins, mistakes, and failures of that person.

WHO GOSSIPS?

The arrogant and unforgiving attitude of our sin nature makes us ALL susceptible to getting involved in this abominable sin of gossip. In our selfishness, we feel better about ourselves when we can point to another person's failures.We saw that those that practice the sin of gossip are referred to as "worthless, perverse, wicked, hateful, fools."

WHAT TO DO ABOUT GOSSIP?

The Bible makes it very clear that just because we may have some true information, we do not have the right to share that information, especially when that information is damaging to an individual. Even when a Christian is in sin, it is to be kept quiet, private, and should be dealt with on a person-to-person basis, as follows::

Matthew 18:15 “If your brother sins, go and show him his fault in private; if he listens to
you, you have won your brother.

You go to your brother "in private." If "you have won your brother," the story stops there! If he continues in sin, then you go back with no more than two brothers, as follows:

Matthew 18:16 “But if he does not listen to you, take one or two more with you, so that
by the mouth of two or three witnesses every fact may be confirmed.

If you win your brother with two more witnesses, the story stops there. If he won't listen, proceed as follows::

Matthew 18:17 “If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to
listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector.

If your brother is won by the church, THE STORY STOPS THERE! If he continues in sin, he is to be put out of the church, and yes, you can tell others to perhaps warn them. But telling everyone about a sinning brother could be very damaging to the cause of Christ and the gospel. Does it really do any good to spread other people's failures when we all fail the Lord so many times? Remember, GOSSIP sows strife among the brothers, it's an ABOMINATION!

If someone comes to you and seems to be "GOSSIPING," (slandering another person), stop them immediately! Ask them if they have talked to the person that they seem to be gossiping about. Have they confronted this person about their sin? Has this person gone through church discipline? Is the person still practicing the sin? If the sin or problem has been dealt with, then the person "gossiping" should be confronted for sinning against you and against the person they are talking about. They need to apologize to you and the person they have slandered. You might even say to this person, "Why not tell me about some of your own failures instead of another person's failures. Will my knowing about another person's failures make my Christian walk any better?" "Will this information edify me?" Meditate on the following verses:

Ephesians 4:29-32 Let no unwholesome word proceed from your mouth, but only such a word as is good for edification according to the need of the moment, so that it will give grace to those who hear. Do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. Let all bitterness and wrath and anger and clamor and slander be put away from you, along with all malice. Be kind to one another, tender-hearted, forgiving each other, just as God in Christ also has forgiven you.
Irish Coffee

Johnson City, TN

#27 Oct 23, 2012
2 Corinthians 12
20 For I fear lest, when I come, I shall not find you such as I wish, and that d I shall be found by you such as you do not wish; lest there be contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, backbitings, whisperings, conceits, tumults; 21 lest, when I come again, my God e will humble me among you, and I shall mourn for many f who have sinned before and have not repented of the uncleanness, g fornication, and lewdness which they have practiced.
Irish Coffee

Johnson City, TN

#28 Oct 23, 2012
(Note that Gossip is included in the same category at Murder and sexual immorality)

Romans 1:29-30

GOD'S WRATH ON UNRIGHTEOUSNESS

29 being filled with all unrighteousness, 1 sexual immorality, wickedness, 2 covetousness, 3 maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers, 30 backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
Irish Coffee

Johnson City, TN

#29 Oct 23, 2012
(Again, note that gossip is included in the same category as things like Murder and adultery).

Matthew 15

16 So Jesus said, n "Are you also still without understanding? 17 "Do you not yet understand that o whatever enters the mouth goes into the stomach and is eliminated? 18 "But p those things which proceed out of the mouth come from the heart, and they defile a man. 19 q "For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies. 20 "These are the things which defile a man, but to eat with unwashed hands does not defile a man."
Irish Coffee

Johnson City, TN

#30 Oct 23, 2012
Gossip

Ephesians 4:29 ESV /

Let no corrupting talk come out of your mouths, but only such as is good for building up, as fits the occasion, that it may give grace to those who hear.

Proverbs 11:13 ESV /
Whoever goes about slandering reveals secrets, but he who is trustworthy in spirit keeps a thing covered.

Proverbs 16:28 ESV /

A dishonest man spreads strife, and a whisperer separates close friends.

Proverbs 20:19 ESV /
Whoever goes about slandering reveals secrets; therefore do not associate with a simple babbler.

Exodus 23:1 ESV /

“You shall not spread a false report. You shall not join hands with a wicked man to be a malicious witness.

Proverbs 6:16-19 ESV /

There are six things that the Lord hates, seven that are an abomination to him: haughty eyes, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises wicked plans, feet that make haste to run to evil, a false witness who breathes out lies, and one who sows discord among brothers.

Titus 3:2 ESV /

To speak evil of no one, to avoid quarreling, to be gentle, and to show perfect courtesy toward all people.

Luke 6:31 ESV /

And as you wish that others would do to you, do so to them.

Proverbs 26:20 ESV /

For lack of wood the fire goes out, and where there is no whisperer, quarreling ceases.

James 4:11 ESV /
Do not speak evil against one another, brothers. The one who speaks against a brother or judges his brother, speaks evil against the law and judges the law. But if you judge the law, you are not a doer of the law but a judge.

Psalm 34:13 ESV /

Keep your tongue from evil and your lips from speaking deceit.

Psalm 101:5 ESV /
Whoever slanders his neighbor secretly I will destroy. Whoever has a haughty look and an arrogant heart I will not endure.

Leviticus 19:16 ESV /

You shall not go around as a slanderer among your people, and you shall not stand up against the life of your neighbor: I am the Lord.

1 Timothy 5:13 ESV /

Besides that, they learn to be idlers, going about from house to house, and not only idlers, but also gossips and busybodies, saying what they should not.

Romans 1:29 ESV /
They were filled with all manner of unrighteousness, evil, covetousness, malice. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness. They are gossips,

Proverbs 10:18 ESV /
The one who conceals hatred has lying lips, and whoever utters slander is a fool.

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Ephesians 4:32 ESV /

Be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, as God in Christ forgave you.

Psalm 50:20 ESV /

You sit and speak against your brother; you slander your own mother's son.
Irish Coffee

Johnson City, TN

#31 Oct 23, 2012
Exodus 20:16 ESV /

“You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.

Proverbs 15:1 ESV /
A soft answer turns away wrath, but a harsh word stirs up anger.

James 3:7-8 ESV /

For every kind of beast and bird, of reptile and sea creature, can be tamed and has been tamed by mankind, but no human being can tame the tongue. It is a restless evil, full of deadly poison.

Romans 2:1 ESV /

Therefore you have no excuse, O man, every one of you who judges. For in passing judgment on another you condemn yourself, because you, the judge, practice the very same things.

Matthew 7:12 ESV /

“So whatever you wish that others would do to you, do also to them, for this is the Law and the Prophets.

Romans 12:2 ESV /

Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewal of your mind, that by testing you may discern what is the will of God, what is good and acceptable and perfect.

Proverbs 26:22 ESV /
The words of a whisperer are like delicious morsels; they go down into the inner parts of the body.

Proverbs 18:8 ESV /

The words of a whisperer are like delicious morsels; they go down into the inner parts of the body.

James 1:26 ESV /
If anyone thinks he is religious and does not bridle his tongue but deceives his heart, this person's religion is worthless.

Philippians 1:27 ESV /
Only let your manner of life be worthy of the gospel of Christ, so that whether I come and see you or am absent, I may hear of you that you are standing firm in one spirit, with one mind striving side by side for the faith of the gospel,

Proverbs 11:3 ESV /

The integrity of the upright guides them, but the crookedness of the treacherous destroys them.

2 Corinthians 12:20 ESV /
For I fear that perhaps when I come I may find you not as I wish, and that you may find me not as you wish—that perhaps there may be quarreling, jealousy, anger, hostility, slander, gossip, conceit, and disorder.

Psalm 15:1-5 ESV /

A Psalm of David. O Lord, who shall sojourn in your tent? Who shall dwell on your holy hill? He who walks blamelessly and does what is right and speaks truth in his heart; who does not slander with his tongue and does no evil to his neighbor, nor takes up a reproach against his friend; in whose eyes a vile person is despised, but who honors those who fear the Lord; who swears to his own hurt and does not change; who does not put out his money at interest and does not take a bribe against the innocent. He who does these things shall never be moved.

Titus 3:1-3 ESV /
Remind them to be submissive to rulers and authorities, to be obedient, to be ready for every good work, to speak evil of no one, to avoid quarreling, to be gentle, and to show perfect courtesy toward all people. For we ourselves were once foolish, disobedient, led astray, slaves to various passions and pleasures, passing our days in malice and envy, hated by others and hating one another.
Irish Coffee

Johnson City, TN

#32 Oct 23, 2012
1 Timothy 5:12-14 ESV /
And so incur condemnation for having abandoned their former faith. Besides that, they learn to be idlers, going about from house to house, and not only idlers, but also gossips and busybodies, saying what they should not. So I would have younger widows marry, bear children, manage their households, and give the adversary no occasion for slander.

Colossians 3:17 ESV /

And whatever you do, in word or deed, do everything in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through him.

Romans 3:23 ESV /

For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

3 John 1:9-10 ESV /

I have written something to the church, but Diotrephes, who likes to put himself first, does not acknowledge our authority. So if I come, I will bring up what he is doing, talking wicked nonsense against us. And not content with that, he refuses to welcome the brothers, and also stops those who want to and puts them out of the church.

Philippians 4:8 ESV /

Finally, brothers, whatever is true, whatever is honorable, whatever is just, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is commendable, if there is any excellence, if there is anything worthy of praise, think about these things.

Galatians 5:13 ESV /
For you were called to freedom, brothers. Only do not use your freedom as an opportunity for the flesh, but through love serve one another.

2 Timothy 1:7 ESV /

For God gave us a spirit not of fear but of power and love and self-control.

John 16:1-33 ESV /

“I have said all these things to you to keep you from falling away. They will put you out of the synagogues. Indeed, the hour is coming when whoever kills you will think he is offering service to God. And they will do these things because they have not known the Father, nor me. But I have said these things to you, that when their hour comes you may remember that I told them to you.“I did not say these things to you from the beginning, because I was with you. But now I am going to him who sent me, and none of you asks me,‘Where are you going?’...
Irish Coffee

Johnson City, TN

#33 Oct 23, 2012
Question: "What does the Bible say about gossip?"

Answer: The Hebrew word translated “gossip” in the Old Testament is defined as “one who reveals secrets, one who goes about as a talebearer or scandal-monger.” A gossiper is a person who has privileged information about people and proceeds to reveal that information to those who have no business knowing it. Gossip is distinguished from sharing information in two ways:

1. Intent. Gossipers often have the goal of building themselves up by making others look bad and exalting themselves as some kind of repositories of knowledge.

2. The type of information shared. Gossipers speak of the faults and failings of others, or reveal potentially embarrassing or shameful details regarding the lives of others without their knowledge or approval. Even if they mean no harm, it is still gossip.

In the book of Romans, Paul reveals the sinful nature and lawlessness of mankind, stating how God poured out His wrath on those who rejected His laws. Because they had turned away from God's instruction and guidance, He gave them over to their sinful natures. The list of sins includes gossips and slanderers (Romans 1:29b-32). We see from this passage how serious the sin of gossip is and that it characterizes those who are under God’s wrath.

Another group who were (and still are today) known for indulging in gossip is widows. Paul cautions widows against entertaining the habit of gossip and of being idle. These women are described as “gossips and busybodies, saying things they ought not to”(1 Timothy 5:12-13). Because women tend to spend a lot of time in each other's homes and work closely with other women, they hear and observe situations which can become distorted, especially when repeated over and over. Paul states that widows get into the habit of going from home to home, looking for something to occupy their idleness. Idle hands are the devil's workshop, and God cautions against allowing idleness to enter our lives.“A gossip betrays a confidence; so avoid a man [or woman] who talks too much”(Proverbs 20:19).

Women are certainly not the only ones who have been found guilty of gossip. Anyone can engage in gossip simply by repeating something heard in confidence. The book of Proverbs has a long list of verses that cover the dangers of gossip and the potential hurt that results from it.“A man who lacks judgment derides his neighbor, but a man of understanding holds his tongue. A gossip betrays a confidence, but a trustworthy man keeps a secret”(Proverbs 11:12-13).

The Bible tells us that “a perverse man stirs up dissension, and a gossip separates close friends”(Proverbs 16:28). Many a friendship has been ruined over a misunderstanding that started with gossip. Those who engage in this behavior do nothing but stir up trouble and cause anger, bitterness, and pain among friends. Sadly, some people thrive on this and look for opportunities to destroy others. And when such people are confronted, they deny the allegations and answer with excuses and rationalizations. Rather than admit wrongdoing, they blame someone else or attempt to minimize the seriousness of the sin.“A fool's mouth is his undoing, and his lips are a snare to his soul. The words of a gossip are like choice morsels; they go down to a man's inmost parts”(Proverbs 18:7-8).

Those who guard their tongues keep themselves from calamity (Proverbs 21:23). So we must guard our tongues and refrain from the sinful act of gossip. If we surrender our natural desires to the Lord, He will help us to remain righteous. May we all follow the Bible’s teaching on gossip by keeping our mouths shut unless it is necessary and appropriate to speak.
Get out 2vote

Columbia, TN

#34 Oct 23, 2012
Stop the gossip and incourage people to get in church.Shame shame on you all
Kristin

Johnson City, TN

#35 Oct 23, 2012
8 Flavors of Gossip, 26 Bible Verses
by JENNIFER JOHNS on MAY 2, 2012
Gossip is like a secret craving. We say we don’t like it, but when it’s within reach, we almost can’t resist it. We get a sudden appetite to know what we don’t know… about somebody else.

Why is it so hard to stop? Proverbs 18:8 says,“The words of a gossip are like choice morsels; they go down to a man’s inmost parts.”

No, you might think. Not me. I’m not into sharing the dirty details about a person’s life just for fun. But gossip comes in many flavors, and it involves listening as well. Proverbs 17:4 notes:“Wrongdoers eagerly listen to gossip; liars pay close attention to slander.” Yikes!

Types of Gossip and What the Bible Says

How do we know what’s gossip and what’s not gossip? We can find a number of bible verses about gossip, especially in Proverbs, and we can also ask God to reveal it to us. James 1:5 tells us:“If any of you lacks wisdom, he should ask God, who gives generously to all without finding fault, and it will be given to him.”

Have any of the types of gossip below been too tempting for you to resist lately?

Slander
It’s defined as spreading rumors or lies about a person to cause damage purposely. The written form of it is libel.

The bible mentions slander countless times in lists like this one:“But now you must rid yourselves of all such things as these: anger, rage, malice, slander, and filthy language from your lips”(Colossians 3:8).

James 4:11 tells it straight:“Brothers, do not slander one another.”

Dishing

“Dishin’ the dirt” basically means sharing the “juicy info” you learned about someone. Maybe the intent isn’t to directly cause damage, but by keeping the gossip alive, it continues to spread and taint the image of the person it’s about.

Proverbs 20:19 tells us that a gossip betrays a confidence; so avoid a man who talks too much.

James 5:9 says,“Don’t grumble against each other, brothers, or you will be judged. The Judge is standing at the door!”

Rumors

You hear something, and it’s not good, and it’s also not confirmed as true. But you tell someone or ask someone else about it to get more info. The rumor mill turns and turns and the gossip spreads.

Proverbs 13:3 says,“He who guards his lips guards his life, but he who speaks rashly will come to ruin.”

Backbiting

It’s a flavor of gossip that involves speaking spiteful or slanderous words about another who is not present and can do nothing in defense. It’s secretive, and the bible actually mentions it by name in Proverbs 22:23:“The north wind brings forth rain, and a backbiting tongue, angry looks.”

Also:“Whoever secretly slanders his neighbor, him I will destroy; No one who has a haughty look and an arrogant heart will I endure”(Psalm 101:5).

Not-Really-Joking Jokes

Have you ever taken some part of truth and turned it into a joke about someone that makes other question their character? It also serves as a passive way to spread more gossip. Example: Maybe he/she will actually get off the couch today long enough to blahblah. haha.

When the joking is harmful to another, it’s mockery. How can you know a mocker? It’s in the bible. Proverbs 21:24 says,“Mockers are proud and haughty; they act with boundless arrogance.” And verse 9:8 says,“A mocker resents correction; he will not consult the wise.”

In addition, Proverbs 22:10 says,“Drive out the mocker, and out goes strife; quarrels and insults are ended.”

And Psalm 1:1 starts out:“Blessed is the man who does not walk in the counsel of the wicked or stand in the way of sinners or sit in the seat of mockers.”

--continued--
Kristin

Johnson City, TN

#36 Oct 23, 2012
--continued--

Planting Seeds

The bible tells us we reap what we sow. With that in mind, this type of gossip is said in such a way to make the listener question or assume something about the character of a person. For example: Isn’t it weird how he keeps staring at your girlfriend when you’re not looking?

James 3:5 tells us,“Likewise the tongue is a small part of the body, but it makes great boasts. Consider what a great forest is set on fire by a small spark.”

A warning from the bible from Proverbs 16:28:“A perverse man stirs up dissension, and a gossip separates close friends.”

Whispered Innuendo

These subtle insinuations can mislead others into thinking wrong thoughts, especially if the conclusions are based on gossipy hunches. Here’s an example: It’s interesting how he was “out of town” the night she was murdered.

Proverbs 26:30 tells us,“For lack of wood the fire goes out, And where there is no whisperer, contention quiets down.”

And a warning from the bible:“What you have said in the dark will be heard in the daylight, and what you have whispered in the ear in the inner rooms will be proclaimed from the roofs”(Luke 12:3).

Got-This-All-Wrong Gossip

You admit you probably got it wrong, but spread it anyway, because it’s still touching on some points that could be true. Or would sound exciting if true. Either way, it usually starts out like this: I probably got this all wrong, but apparently…

This is one of the most common types of gossip. We think we’re just passing on the latest news. Could it hurt someone? Meh. Maybe. But if we don’t even know the person, does it matter? James 4:17 says,“Anyone, then, who know the good he ought to do and doesn’t do it, sins.”

Thankfully, Jesus gave us an example to follow:

There is nothing concealed that will not be disclosed, or hidden that will not be made known. What I tell you in the dark, speak in the daylight; what is said whispered in your ear, proclaim from the roofs”(Matt 10:26-27).
Kristin

Johnson City, TN

#37 Oct 23, 2012
What Does the Bible say about Gosspip and Idle Talk

Ephesians 4:29 No foul language should come out of your mouths, but only such as is good for needed edification, that it may impart grace to those who hear.

2 Timothy 2:16 Avoid profane, idle talk, for such people will become more and more godless.

Ephesians 5:4 No obscenity or silly or suggestive talk, which is out of place, but instead, thanksgiving.

1 Timothy 6:20 O Timothy, guard what has been entrusted to you. Avoid profane babbling and the absurdities of so-called knowledge.

Proverbs 10:8 A wise man heeds commands, but a prating fool will be overthrown.

Proverbs 18:8 The words of a talebearer are like dainty morsels that sink into one's inmost being.

Proverbs 15:4 A soothing tongue is a tree of life, but a perverse one crushes the spirit.

Exodus 20:16 You shall not bear false witness against your neighbour.
Kristin

Johnson City, TN

#38 Oct 23, 2012
One more thing,
Whatever the issues are in your Church, deal with and solve them amongst yourselves...not on a forum like topix...

there is no excuse for dishing out issues in your Church n this forum.

I repeat..no excuse...

Handling issues this way is totally unBiblical no matter how you look at it.

I sincerely pray for all of you who have sinned by your backbiting on this forum and pray you will repent and learn how to act in a dignified manner.

I do not go to your Church, but this type of thing reflects on all Christians and makes us all look bad. Please stop and no further comments.
AMEN

Kingsport, TN

#39 Oct 23, 2012
Alan King wrote:
I am the pastor. We have not lost but a handful and gained many in the church. The reason for building delay is that the state wants the church to put in a large sprinkler system worth many thousands of dollars and and a smoke system worth a lot as well. This was in addition to the quoted price for expansion .
By the way as of yet have I bullied anyone or challenged anyone to a school yard brawl. I pray I have not lied to anyone intentional and as of yet I do not have the money to retire. Give me about thirty years and I can draw ss.
What I do know is that many have been saved lately and I give all the glory to Jesus Christ. And if anyone reading this needs to call on The Lord in salvation you can do so by reading Romans 10:13 and praying a sinners pray. May God bless you!
You go Pastor in the meantime let's say a prayer for these people.NIV PROVERBS 10:19 When words are many,sin is not absent,but he who holds his tongue is wise.May God Bless those.
Amelia

United States

#40 Oct 24, 2012
You people doth protest too much. It makes me believe the allegations are true. There are none so blind, as those who do not see. The truth shall set you free!
Kristin

Jonesborough, TN

#41 Oct 24, 2012
Amelia wrote:
You people doth protest too much. It makes me believe the allegations are true. There are none so blind, as those who do not see. The truth shall set you free!
I have no idea whatsoever about any of it...my beef is this...The bible CLEARLY lays out how Christians and Church members are to resolve their issues..whatever they may be...I've already posted them..directly from the Bible, so I'm not going to do it again..you know what they are if you can read.

I am sick and tired of people from various churches in Carter County, not just this one..there have been several others as well...coming to a vile forum like topix, hiding behind a fake name, and hurling accusations and insults at others..

There are enough negative stereotypes of Christians as it is.

It makes ALL Christians reflect badly when you get on here..on a thread, mentioning a church name, and then other members or the Pastor or the choir leader, etc. etc. etc. and start saying all of this stuff.

I think it looks bad for any Christian to get on topix and affiliate themselves with a particular church and start criticizing others on a public internet forum. It looks very low class and trashy to me and I think it hurts your Church as a whole when you do that. It makes everybody look bad, not just the person you are criticizing.
Plus, it's NOT BIBLICAL..How many different ways does somebody have to point that out to you???

If I have a problem with anybody, I will let you know personally and to your face what the problem is..I won't come on topix and do it..EVER!!! I would NEVER call out anyone publicly on the internet like that. And I am just appalled that many of you see nothing wrong with it.

You have leaders in your Church..your pastor, deacons, elders, who you bring matters to if necessary and you solve it among your own congregation. The entire world doesn't need to hear about it, nor should they. It is very undignified.

I have never met your pastor..and as far as I know, I don't know any of your Church members..so I'm not trying to cover up anything for anybody...It's just embarrassing for me as a Christian to see other Christians come on topix and present such a bad image of what a Christian is.

I don't care if you don't like what I am saying or what you think about it it..because I know what the Bible says and I am 100% right about what I have said here. Just because you don't want to be called out for it is irrelevant.

I have spoke the truth and you can take or leave it..but if you leave it and dismiss it, you are just wrong..plain and simple.

Go to the next business meeting at your Church and bring up any concerns you may have. If you are not the type to publicly speak, ask another member to do it. But, for heaven's sake, don't come on topix under the handle "Betty" and say stupid things like "I heard from a reliable source" that xxxxxxxx happened and those kids won't behave...you sound like Mrs. Olsen from Little House for crying out loud.

I just really hate feeling embarrassed by other Christians who very well know the RIGHT way to handle things, but won't. I take it personally and have no tolerance for it...because I know you know better. And somebody needs to call you out on it.

And that goes for all of you who have made Donkey Behinds out of yourselves on other Church threads that have been on here also..You all know exactly who you are.

You may have very well hindered somebody who is not in Church and sees this stuff and just says "Well I'm not going if that's the way they are!!"" or "if they are that judgemental, they would never accept me!", and so on..YOu will have to answer for that if you have come on here and been a hindrence to someone because you just "had" to stir the pot using a fake name on a public internet forum.

What really ticks me off, I shouldn't have had to write this.
God Bless.

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