ok-ok

United States

#1 Sep 23, 2012
What constitutes life? In utero, a baby's brain waves are detectable at 6 weeks gestation and you can hear their heartbeat from outside the womb with an ultrasonic stethoscope at 9 weeks. So if they can think and have a heartbeat, does that not mean they have life and should be afforded the same rights as a newborn baby?
OldTennGranny

Johnson City, TN

#2 Sep 23, 2012
ok-ok wrote:
What constitutes life? In utero, a baby's brain waves are detectable at 6 weeks gestation and you can hear their heartbeat from outside the womb with an ultrasonic stethoscope at 9 weeks. So if they can think and have a heartbeat, does that not mean they have life and should be afforded the same rights as a newborn baby?
Amen!
nicey

Abingdon, VA

#3 Sep 23, 2012
Ask the Supreme Court..they've already decided this quite a while ago.
Anonymous

United States

#4 Sep 23, 2012
God gives life and he should be the one to take it. A child is a gift that some dont deserve to have. Especially the ones who want to abored them. If they dont want a baby then get fixed or get the arm implant to prevent having to murder a child. Use what they call a brain inside that stupid head.
my opinion

Johnson City, TN

#5 Sep 23, 2012
I think no one has an abortion without giving it a lot of thought. IF you want to be responsible for all of the aborted fetuses, then get a document making you their guardian. Have all women sign away their right to you and then take care of them. Until you are ready to do this then don't try to push your values on others. It is the law. It is legal. It is a woman's choice. She knows what her situation is, not you. She knows if she can provide a safe supportive home for that fetus, not you. She may be protecting that fetus the only way she knows how. By protecting it from a life time of misery. So until you want to provide for that fetus then keep your opinion to yourself. I would not have an abortion. But I can't speak to other people or their situation. It is easy to kick a woman at the low point of her life. It is easy to say "have that baby" But are you giving her any other way?
Jess Tucker

Jonesborough, TN

#6 Sep 23, 2012
ok-ok wrote:
What constitutes life? In utero, a baby's brain waves are detectable at 6 weeks gestation and you can hear their heartbeat from outside the womb with an ultrasonic stethoscope at 9 weeks. So if they can think and have a heartbeat, does that not mean they have life and should be afforded the same rights as a newborn baby?
I saw a 3 month fetus in formaldehyde that was fully developed on the outside, fingernails and all. It is out at ETSU, science labs, if you want to verify this.
Jess Tucker

Jonesborough, TN

#7 Sep 23, 2012
my opinion wrote:
I think no one has an abortion without giving it a lot of thought. IF you want to be responsible for all of the aborted fetuses, then get a document making you their guardian. Have all women sign away their right to you and then take care of them. Until you are ready to do this then don't try to push your values on others. It is the law. It is legal. It is a woman's choice. She knows what her situation is, not you. She knows if she can provide a safe supportive home for that fetus, not you. She may be protecting that fetus the only way she knows how. By protecting it from a life time of misery. So until you want to provide for that fetus then keep your opinion to yourself. I would not have an abortion. But I can't speak to other people or their situation. It is easy to kick a woman at the low point of her life. It is easy to say "have that baby" But are you giving her any other way?
Did that woman have the choice of safe sex? And by the way, anyone has the 'legal' right to post their opinion also, NOT JUST YOU. As for the disposal, call it murder, a law should be based on morality, first and foremost. Legal doesn't make it right in every situation.
Just Wondering

Jonesborough, TN

#8 Sep 23, 2012
nicey wrote:
Ask the Supreme Court..they've already decided this quite a while ago.
How many have you gotten RID of, nicey, since the Supreme Court since gave you the go-ahead? Just wondering
nicey

Abingdon, VA

#9 Sep 23, 2012
Just Wondering wrote:
<quoted text>How many have you gotten RID of, nicey, since the Supreme Court since gave you the go-ahead? Just wondering
None, but if I did it would be my legal right and none of your business.
nicey

Abingdon, VA

#10 Sep 23, 2012
Jess Tucker wrote:
<quoted text>Did that woman have the choice of safe sex? And by the way, anyone has the 'legal' right to post their opinion also, NOT JUST YOU. As for the disposal, call it murder, a law should be based on morality, first and foremost. Legal doesn't make it right in every situation.
How about in the event of rape? Or how about if you know early on from an ultrasound the baby is malformed or is going to suffer from a debilitating disease its entire life? Makes the decision a it tougher doesn't it?
Just Wondering

Jonesborough, TN

#11 Sep 23, 2012
nicey wrote:
<quoted text>
How about in the event of rape? Or how about if you know early on from an ultrasound the baby is malformed or is going to suffer from a debilitating disease its entire life? Makes the decision a it tougher doesn't it?
I can certainly agree with these two situations that aborting would be feasible BUT tell me something: just how many of the millions of abortions are the result for these two situations? No, nicey, the numbers don't balance by any stretch of the imagination. And it is NOT any of my business; I only think of the effects abortion overall is causing for the whole of society. It disturbs a huge proportion of us. If it is so "Okay" to destroy a baby in utero, why is it that it is not talked about openly, such as at the dinner table or as we meet and chat in passing - like, "Hey Mom, Dad, pass the potatoes and btw, today I got rid of the inconvenient pregnancy/baby I created with Sammy last month"? Why is it not shouted out across the room in the nearest pub. It seems to be such a hidden secret unuttered about. Explain this to me as I'm certain you have the ability to do. Thank you
nicey

Abingdon, VA

#12 Sep 23, 2012
Just Wondering wrote:
<quoted text>I can certainly agree with these two situations that aborting would be feasible BUT tell me something: just how many of the millions of abortions are the result for these two situations? No, nicey, the numbers don't balance by any stretch of the imagination. And it is NOT any of my business; I only think of the effects abortion overall is causing for the whole of society. It disturbs a huge proportion of us. If it is so "Okay" to destroy a baby in utero, why is it that it is not talked about openly, such as at the dinner table or as we meet and chat in passing - like, "Hey Mom, Dad, pass the potatoes and btw, today I got rid of the inconvenient pregnancy/baby I created with Sammy last month"? Why is it not shouted out across the room in the nearest pub. It seems to be such a hidden secret unuttered about. Explain this to me as I'm certain you have the ability to do. Thank you
I don't know the stats of rape vs non-rape abortions but it's irrelevant really. Abortion is not discussed openly as most other extremely personal, private matters are not discussed openly. When was the last time you heard someone in public discuss their herpes, getting a mammogram, sex they had with a stranger the previous day, the resentment they feel towards their mother/father, etc etc. I will go back and say it has been addressed by the Supreme Court 40 years ago and decided that it is a woman's decision to abort prior to the 28th week of pregnancy. You address me as if I'm a proponent of abortion when in actuality I was only stating fact.
ok-ok

United States

#13 Sep 23, 2012
There is the option of placing the baby for adoption. And babies with disabilities and/or deformities, I was a private duty pediatrics nurse for many years and those children still have joy and bring joy to every life they touch. God has a purpose for every life created.
Anonymous

Morristown, TN

#14 Sep 24, 2012
@JessT...Amen! Well said.
my opinion

Johnson City, TN

#15 Sep 24, 2012
ok-ok wrote:
There is the option of placing the baby for adoption. And babies with disabilities and/or deformities, I was a private duty pediatrics nurse for many years and those children still have joy and bring joy to every life they touch. God has a purpose for every life created.
OPTION is the word. Everyone has the option to adopt, keep or abort a pregnancy. Sure there are lots of people who want a child and can't have one. Also there are lots who adopt and abuse them. There are lots who keep them and abuse or neglect them. NO ONE knows the future. I am sure lots regret abortion. But ANY decision is made with the best available information. It is the choice of the person in the situation. Not my place to make a serious decision for some one else. Also not my place to judge them. Each person needs to be responsible for their own choices involving their life. And bringing a child into the world is a big one.
Carla

Jonesborough, TN

#16 Sep 24, 2012
OldTennGranny wrote:
<quoted text>
Amen!
Thank you very much. Reading your comments here and other discussions, I find myself anticipating the next one; I find your commonsense is truly great. I enjoy every word you utter and invariably agree with your remarks, calm and concise. You have a kind way of relating all you have to say and such manners are so often lacking on Topix, expecially from those lacking maturity or having low or egotistical and immoral standards.
Anonymous

Morristown, TN

#17 Sep 24, 2012
OldTennG is starting to be famous. She talks with such wisdom and heart. I to enjoy reading her comments. God bless u OTG!
Deb

Kingsport, TN

#18 Jan 10, 2017
We went out to breakfast this morning, and were seated near a woman with a 4-year old who was wearing diapers, and shreiking like a wild animal. I know who the mother is by seeing her written up in the newspaper. The child the woman adopted was a drug baby and the mother talked to the child constantly, but she continued to misbehave. It is a sad situation, but at least a dozen people were affected in a negative way by this child, and by the mother's loud and constant talking. It is not fair to others to subject them to a child's bad behavior.
Disgusted

Johnson City, TN

#19 Jan 11, 2017
my opinion wrote:
I think no one has an abortion without giving it a lot of thought. IF you want to be responsible for all of the aborted fetuses, then get a document making you their guardian. Have all women sign away their right to you and then take care of them. Until you are ready to do this then don't try to push your values on others. It is the law. It is legal. It is a woman's choice. She knows what her situation is, not you. She knows if she can provide a safe supportive home for that fetus, not you. She may be protecting that fetus the only way she knows how. By protecting it from a life time of misery. So until you want to provide for that fetus then keep your opinion to yourself. I would not have an abortion. But I can't speak to other people or their situation. It is easy to kick a woman at the low point of her life. It is easy to say "have that baby" But are you giving her any other way?
First off!! They should be smart enough to spread their nasty legs without getting pregnant!! If they are old enough to play then if they get pregnant they are old enough to pay!! It's a LIFE!! It has feelings!! Just because you are a screw up doesn't give you the right to murder a innocent life!! And it is murder!! No matter if it is legal in some states!! You are a horrible, sick, disgusting person if you have a child torn apart from your body because you was to big of a hooch to use a little protection!! It might be "her" body but once that baby is growing in her belly it's NOT just her body!! It's the same as taking a gun or a knife a killing someone!! It is murder and if they believe in God what so ever then that's the way it will go down in his eyes!! A perfect innocent, sweet, pure child that looks to its mother to protect it, love & nurture it is choosing to kill her own child all because she's irresponsible!! All because she is careless and is more driven by sexual desire then worrying about having her baby ripped and torn to pieces from her body!! D.I.S.G.U.S.T.I.N.G!!
Abortion is MURDER

Johnson City, TN

#20 Jan 14, 2017
my opinion wrote:
I think no one has an abortion without giving it a lot of thought. IF you want to be responsible for all of the aborted fetuses, then get a document making you their guardian. Have all women sign away their right to you and then take care of them. Until you are ready to do this then don't try to push your values on others. It is the law. It is legal. It is a woman's choice. She knows what her situation is, not you. She knows if she can provide a safe supportive home for that fetus, not you. She may be protecting that fetus the only way she knows how. By protecting it from a life time of misery. So until you want to provide for that fetus then keep your opinion to yourself. I would not have an abortion. But I can't speak to other people or their situation. It is easy to kick a woman at the low point of her life. It is easy to say "have that baby" But are you giving her any other way?
Ok maybe she can't provide for it so lets say a woman has a 2 year old and has a good job and can provide for it then all the sudden she loses her job and means to provide for it.So does that mean she kills it, Heck no! futher more there is always adoption and. people who would love to give it a chance at life. No excuse to many people and places out there to help and support. Its all just an excuse and if you know you can't provide for it and will have to kill it don't have sex or use one of the many prevention out there!!!!!

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