Should Chris Mathes be impeached or recalled?

Created by Carter County Taxpayer on Oct 5, 2007

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lol

Kingsport, TN

#1 Oct 5, 2007
Maybe the Elizabethton Liar would use this poll in a story.
Carter County Mom

AOL

#2 Oct 6, 2007
Only if he could change the numbers.
Grubby

Johnson City, TN

#4 Oct 11, 2007
send this to the Elizabethton Star

Since: Oct 07

Johnson City, TN

#5 Oct 17, 2007
The problem is that Carter County has no provision in it's charter for a RECALL. I am not of either opinion at this time. Just thought you would all like to know. In fact, the people should watch out, or NO city or county will have the right to put a recall to referendum. I think some leaders may be working on it as that is what my research has indicated. Whether the people of JC realize it or not, THEY almost came a step closer to not having the right to take the wheel tax to referendum; the bill to take that right away from us went to Nashville, but when "the people" and the press found out what was being "sneaked through", they made enough noise to shame the reps. who took it there, so they took their sponsorship off the bill. BTW: Two of those reps. that sponsored it were our own Jerome Cochran and David Davis. People better be watching what our leaders are doing out there. Our futures are at stake more than ever. Not that all our leaders are bad. For the most part, they are trying to do their jobs.
tak

Butler, TN

#6 Oct 20, 2007
All Chris Mathes can do is talk about South Florida and Johnson City. He has brought everyone from Johnson City to fill his positions at the sheriff's office that he can get, he has Johnson City's officers come in and investigate whatever he can get them to and this makes our experienced officers look like they are stupid, and they are more than experienced enough to handle any situation that happens here in our county. Why don't they just rename Elizabethton "Little Johnson City" and be done with it and yes he should be "IMPEACHED"!!!!!!!
Hey

Johnson City, TN

#8 Oct 20, 2007
Skully wrote:
<quoted text>You could not be more wrong. Where do you people get this stuff. The only person from JC to come here was Ron Street.
Thats enough
Mulder

United States

#9 Oct 25, 2007
Skully wrote:
<quoted text>You could not be more wrong. Where do you people get this stuff. The only person from JC to come here was Ron Street.
thank you for your informed comment.
quick

Knoxville, TN

#10 Oct 29, 2007
Wanna recall come elected officials. I can think of a group of 24 that has gone out of it's way to assure the Sheriff's Department does not have the required MINIMAL resources to function per Federal and State requirements. Cut that bunch down to 8 or 12 and Carter County may be able to swim to the surface of the swamp the 24 have protectively created.
Mulder

United States

#11 Oct 29, 2007
quick wrote:
Wanna recall come elected officials. I can think of a group of 24 that has gone out of it's way to assure the Sheriff's Department does not have the required MINIMAL resources to function per Federal and State requirements. Cut that bunch down to 8 or 12 and Carter County may be able to swim to the surface of the swamp the 24 have protectively created.
well said... our elected officials are taking away, limiting or partially funding desperately need equipment and operating funds from the CCSD... i said early in this forum or another that the elected officials have given CCSD, i believe,$27,000 to buy gas for all the vehicles, which equals $81.50, a day to operate them... how are they doing it with the price of gas the way it is now?
quick

Knoxville, TN

#12 Oct 29, 2007
Well, it was more than $27k, but the rest of your math is correct...$81 a day. I think they will run out in late December. Lucky for them that most of the Commissioners live in the City. No problem. Doesn't take that long to WALK from the Sheriff's Office to Hampton when 9-1-1 gets that shooting call. I can't wait to hear the explaination the "24" give the State and Feds.
Mulder

United States

#13 Oct 29, 2007
quick wrote:
Well, it was more than $27k, but the rest of your math is correct...$81 a day. I think they will run out in late December. Lucky for them that most of the Commissioners live in the City. No problem. Doesn't take that long to WALK from the Sheriff's Office to Hampton when 9-1-1 gets that shooting call. I can't wait to hear the explaination the "24" give the State and Feds.
the complainers need to understand just HOW BIG CARTER COUNTY IS, head of stoney creek, over to unicoi, roan mtn, around the lake... that's A LOT of ground to cover on 81.00 a day in gas... they might be near unicoi and get a call on buck mtn... the most cars on the road at any time I believe are 4... with all that driving and that little money for gas, I'm afraid that some may suffer from the stinginess of our officials when they run out of gas to make their calls.

Since: Oct 07

Kingsport, TN

#14 Oct 29, 2007
quick wrote:
Wanna recall come elected officials. I can think of a group of 24 that has gone out of it's way to assure the Sheriff's Department does not have the required MINIMAL resources to function per Federal and State requirements. Cut that bunch down to 8 or 12 and Carter County may be able to swim to the surface of the swamp the 24 have protectively created.
I understand your frustration with the commission, but you need to seriously reconsider your wish to cut the number of commissioners. Most of them are lacking in many ways, especially in the desire to educate themselves about issues which they are supposed to be handling. Most of them don't even get their meeting packettes (information) until the day of, or the day before the meeting. I have been to many, many meetings and have seen the way they all operate. I can honestly say that if only 8 or 16 commissioners are in office, we will be worse off than we are. Who is to say that fewer commissioners will translate into "better quality" commissioners? If we only have a few in office, they will be guaranteed to take this county down the tubes - and a lot quicker. There will practically be no debate or discussion of plans and misinformation will be even worse. Also, a county with this population should have proper representation of it's people.
A RECALL cannot happen because the county does not have a recall provision, unlike the city which does.
quick

Knoxville, TN

#15 Oct 30, 2007
True, no recall provision. Wonder why that is... Big county? Only in area - not in population. How many Commissioners does Knoxville have? Johnson City? Kingsport? Nashville? NONE have a whopping 24. Twenty four people are a herd, not a group. That many folks can NOT resolve their personal and political agendas and still manage to make sound decisions, even if each of them took the time to become informed - most don't. This is not a personal attack on those in office, it is a fact of deliberation ability and decision making. We DO have some good people on the Commission. We also have some "hanger-ons" and "me-mes" who accomplish nothing except to delay decisions and actions not personally beneficial to themselves. We have 8 districts, each 'carved' by design - and for an overall purpose whose time has long past. State law requires one (1) per district, tolerates two(2) and allows three(3). I've been to those meetings as well - many times. At $100 per meeting that's $2400 a week cost to the county PLUS committees meeting almost every day. 24 people with 24 agendas... no wonder it is hard to get things done. So, "Sun" would you at least agree that to hold a seat for Commissioner you need to be able to at least read and write at a 3rd grade level?

Since: Oct 07

Kingsport, TN

#16 Oct 30, 2007
quick wrote:
True, no recall provision. Wonder why that is... Big county? Only in area - not in population. How many Commissioners does Knoxville have? Johnson City? Kingsport? Nashville? NONE have a whopping 24. Twenty four people are a herd, not a group. That many folks can NOT resolve their personal and political agendas and still manage to make sound decisions, even if each of them took the time to become informed - most don't. This is not a personal attack on those in office, it is a fact of deliberation ability and decision making. We DO have some good people on the Commission. We also have some "hanger-ons" and "me-mes" who accomplish nothing except to delay decisions and actions not personally beneficial to themselves. We have 8 districts, each 'carved' by design - and for an overall purpose whose time has long past. State law requires one (1) per district, tolerates two(2) and allows three(3). I've been to those meetings as well - many times. At $100 per meeting that's $2400 a week cost to the county PLUS committees meeting almost every day. 24 people with 24 agendas... no wonder it is hard to get things done. So, "Sun" would you at least agree that to hold a seat for Commissioner you need to be able to at least read and write at a 3rd grade level?
I understand your point of view. I have thought and thought about that. I guess it would just depend on the exact commissioners taking office in an 8 or 16 member commission whether things would be better or not. I certainly agree with your feelings on paying these people all that money with some of them not even actually working for us. I am tired of the indecision and them always counting their chickens before they hatch. Anyone doing a project for himself would at least have his plans together before he takes action on it and most certainly before he pays for it. Yes, I do think in this day and time we need to have a few qualifications for these offices. Like a high school graduation at least; we have to remember our TN laws here, though, so it would take a lot to enact that. Really, we have to look at ourselves as voters, too. We need to all be responsible when we vote. We need to find out all we can about the candidates. Talk to them and find out what goals they have for the county and their plan for reaching them. We need to not be concerned with whether the candidate is family, friend, or the "first one to shake our hand" at election time. Voters need to quit voting for people just because their name might be more familiar or the next door neighbor is voting for them. More people need to go to county commission meetings - fill the courthouse up whether we actually see the meeting or not. They tend to be on their better behavior then. We have to make them aware that we really care what they do. It's very important for us to elect the right people here because the local governments are what makes state laws - eventually. Our tax dollars pay the lobbyists in Nashville to represent the commissioners who represent US. Most of us don't even know what they are down there lobbying for in "our behalf". One thing they have been somewhat successful in doing is this: the lobbyists for our state's local commissioners (ours included) convinced a special committee to further shut us out of our own government. If this goes to legislature and passes, our commissioners, etc. will be able to meet in secret to deliberate the county's business up to a "quorum". A quorum for the county would be 16 members, I believe. So, up to 15 could meet behind closed doors to decide anything they wanted. Scary? Should be if we value democracy, or what we have left of it.
inside box

Johnson City, TN

#17 Dec 29, 2007
Mulder wrote:
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well said... our elected officials are taking away, limiting or partially funding desperately need equipment and operating funds from the CCSD... i said early in this forum or another that the elected officials have given CCSD, i believe,$27,000 to buy gas for all the vehicles, which equals $81.50, a day to operate them... how are they doing it with the price of gas the way it is now?
If some of the officers that live in other counties would stop driving a cruiser home that would save a lot of money in gas. B.D. lives on the other side of Sullivan County and has a take home car. The Sheriff could save some money by only allowing take home cars if you reside in Carter County or within a few miles of the county. Every other department in this region has that type of policy, why not the CCSD?
Anonymous

Johnson City, TN

#18 Dec 29, 2007
I briefly heard a news story on 11 about county and city officers, etc. having to move to Carter County if they worked here. Don't know exactly what the story was (I was listening with half an ear). I do know that Sheriff Mathes recently asked for more money for gas though. Someone posted here in Oct. that that would happen in Dec. Wonder what and how they knew?

Since: Nov 07

Murfreesboro, TN

#19 Dec 29, 2007
inside box wrote:
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If some of the officers that live in other counties would stop driving a cruiser home that would save a lot of money in gas. B.D. lives on the other side of Sullivan County and has a take home car. The Sheriff could save some money by only allowing take home cars if you reside in Carter County or within a few miles of the county. Every other department in this region has that type of policy, why not the CCSD?
I believe the deputys should drive their car home as a perk for putting their lives on the line for such little pay, also you can't make a new law on someone who was already living outside the county lines just to satsify a few winers. I have you know B.D is one of finest officers I have met. I believe all the deputys at CCSD are fine hard working officers and if our sorry county commission would get off of their lazy ass and give them a raise and the respect they deserve then maybe we could keep and retain our officers. Like the saying goes it ain't over till the fat lady sings!!!!!

Since: Oct 07

Johnson City, TN

#20 Dec 29, 2007
Some other depts. have a policy that states the newly hired officer has to move into the area they will be serving, such as Eliz. City officers moving - I believe - at least to Carter Co. within so many months of employment. It may even be 24 months. This type of policy may be ok, since officers can be called in at a moment's notice and they DO drive the cruisers home. This would be much more understandable. Carter Co. does need to pay them more and respect them and the people they serve more. Most of them think we are all stupid and don't deserve to know what they are up to until they want us to know, which is usually too late for us to do anything about it.
Why Here

Johnson City, TN

#21 Feb 15, 2008
Did everyone see the news? Another escape on a work detail from the CCSD. East Side School had to go into lockdown. Maybe if the officer watching them was an actual trained police officer, instead of a "Barney Fife" wannabe without a gun, we wouldn't have so many escapes. I think a downtown business is missing it's shopkeeper.
over him

Johnson City, TN

#22 Feb 29, 2008
The citizens of this county should know that work gangs are being supervised by a man without a certification in law enforcement, no training, and no weapon. Shouldn't Mr. H find better things to do with this time?

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