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Lubbock, TX

#146 Apr 4, 2013
Toni has been called a liar and made fun of on public websites. Called crayzy. And called a liar. I have to say that I think she is none of those things. Toni is the one who told the blog as she saw and heard what happened. Her descriptions allowed some to conclude that Morgan was hallucinating. She didn't have to do that. She could have changed her wording and left things out. She seems to be telling truth as she went through it, even though she seems to misunderstand things said by some, but that is normal when all stressed out and tired. Toni even included Morgan thinking she met the same staring person in the intersection six times. That is not possible, but she brought it up even most likely knowing some would say hallucinations. I believe Morgan really did tell her these things, but the blog shows the parents mentioning the neighbor first,as well as the police reports. I think Morgan really thought someone was watching her, that the parents heard some bang i the distance and a noise outside a couple times like they say. My main thought is that Morgan was hallucinating and paranoid due to illness. She may have realized it at times. She suffered years of chronic pain and lived a life devoted to diet, yoga, and dance to try and stay out of pain as seen in the blog. Morgan was smart and homeschooled herself while learning music and language. If she knew of a possible illness she could have researched and decided not to live that way. Symptoms could have added to despair of the pain reported in the blog. Morgan could have hoarded the pills after she quit taking them, just in case going off meds didn't work. My only conclusion is she may have researched euthenasia and had those pills grounded to a powder for mixing in a drink or to put into one gram gel caps. Something to take quickly if the time came. She must have taken the massive dose first and it got into her system quickly, then promethazine, then the benzo. These are recommended by suicide sites. Morgan may have started having extrapyramidal symptoms like jerking or spasms and then took the muscle relaxer and antihistamine as suggestex by suicide sites. One study done on mice given massive doses of ami showed they went into pulmonary congestion in about 15 minutes.they aren't human but researchers must see benefits to the testing. The other option might be that she took the ami before coming home and quickly developed pulmonary edema. Then when she took the rest her digestion was very slowed and thd others never absorbed or she passed soon after taking them. Hearing a beat in the taps for 15 minutes could have convinced her she was hallucinating. Toni didn't have to tell readers about that either. I don't think the neighbors did anything but also don't think Toni did anything either. All the tweets just seem like good cop bad cop tactics to scare people and try to find out something, but bring even more stress. I really hope Toni can find peace and find someone to explain what happened in a way that she can understand.
Terry

Fort Wayne, IN

#147 Apr 22, 2013
I think the amount of Ami she took is virtually impossible to figure. If you ask several different professionals you would most likely get a estimated amount. There are to many variables that have to be figured in. There is no way of knowing if she had been taking it prior to that night. Her mother would not know this either. There is also post-mortem redistribution that has to be considered. Personally trying to figure out the exact amount she took is irrelevant to me. The fact is, she took a lethal dose. A dose that would ensure she ended her life. She died from heart failure as a result of the Ami. That's the bottom line.
Flightless Bird

Duluth, GA

#149 May 9, 2013
mom wrote:
Toni has been called a liar and made fun of on public websites. Called crayzy. And called a liar. I have to say that I think she is none of those things. Toni is the one who told the blog as she saw and heard what happened. Her descriptions allowed some to conclude that Morgan was hallucinating. She didn't have to do that. She could have changed her wording and left things out. She seems to be telling truth as she went through it, even though she seems to misunderstand things said by some, but that is normal when all stressed out and tired. Toni even included Morgan thinking she met the same staring person in the intersection six times. That is not possible, but she brought it up even most likely knowing some would say hallucinations. I believe Morgan really did tell her these things, but the blog shows the parents mentioning the neighbor first,as well as the police reports. I think Morgan really thought someone was watching her, that the parents heard some bang i the distance and a noise outside a couple times like they say. My main thought is that Morgan was hallucinating and paranoid due to illness. She may have realized it at times. She suffered years of chronic pain and lived a life devoted to diet, yoga, and dance to try and stay out of pain as seen in the blog. Morgan was smart and homeschooled herself while learning music and language. If she knew of a possible illness she could have researched and decided not to live that way. Symptoms could have added to despair of the pain reported in the blog. Morgan could have hoarded the pills after she quit taking them, just in case going off meds didn't work. My only conclusion is she may have researched euthenasia and had those pills grounded to a powder for mixing in a drink or to put into one gram gel caps. Something to take quickly if the time came. She must have taken the massive dose first and it got into her system quickly, then promethazine, then the benzo. These are recommended by suicide sites. Morgan may have started having extrapyramidal symptoms like jerking or spasms and then took the muscle relaxer and antihistamine as suggestex by suicide sites. One study done on mice given massive doses of ami showed they went into pulmonary congestion in about 15 minutes.they aren't human but researchers must see benefits to the testing. The other option might be that she took the ami before coming home and quickly developed pulmonary edema. Then when she took the rest her digestion was very slowed and thd others never absorbed or she passed soon after taking them. Hearing a beat in the taps for 15 minutes could have convinced her she was hallucinating. Toni didn't have to tell readers about that either. I don't think the neighbors did anything but also don't think Toni did anything either. All the tweets just seem like good cop bad cop tactics to scare people and try to find out something, but bring even more stress. I really hope Toni can find peace and find someone to explain what happened in a way that she can understand.
@Mom, Please take this down, you're practically instructiing people in suicide. You can see that can't you? I am so surprised that I cant believe you are the same Mom Ive been on mind set with...look at this. I too have a debilitating untreated abdominal/pelvic pain condition. I go to those dark places. Im an adult with self control. Please take this down. I agree with your theory but this is dangerous.
mom

Lubbock, TX

#150 May 23, 2013
Very sorry to have worried you flightless bird. I can't edit and don't want to join. Searching a couple of words can lead directly to many depressing sites, not discussing Morgan necessarily but the subject you mention. Also, some that aren't forums but sites that do mention Morgan have basically the same thing as a theory. Maybe a moderator will edit if they see fit. I certainly do not think that taking that route is a solution to pain or any other troubles.
jnoodles

Sylva, NC

#151 Jun 1, 2013
If this was a murder, Morgan's father should be the number one suspect. Here is a man who can at the drop of a hat start this strange tearless crying but never joins in his wife's obsessive behavior. He is the one who is reponsible for the installation of multiple suveillance cameras to catch a stalker of his daughter and not a single one was aimed at Morgan's window even though he claims the stalker tapped at the window and broke the guttering above. I believe he had been sexually abusing her leading to he suicide or in fear of being found out, he murdered her.
Joel

Greensburg, PA

#152 Jun 5, 2013
This wasn't a murder. Morgan's mother is an extremely evil psycho witch. Everyone knows this now. It's a shame no one rescued Morgan from her evil mom. Morgan killed herself by taking a huge number of her own antidepressants to escape from the evil continuous harassment from her own mom.
Here are the facts:
http://truthformorgan.wo rdpress/
Provides all the official documents from Morgan's autopsy.
Joel

Greensburg, PA

#153 Jun 5, 2013
http://truthformorgan.wordpress.com
Provides all the official documents from Morgan's autopsy.
bdndlv

Clinton, TN

#154 Jul 10, 2013
Truth seeker wrote:
Obviously you have no children, or your protecting someone! Once your child dies, all rules fly out the window! There is zero proof that she took any drugs! Talk about bending the the truth! Desperate for followers? And if it was an OD, why was it ruled as a natural death? You get more desperate by the post! Pathetic people, I PRAY that something this horrific befalls someone you love, so can eat your words!!!! Oh wait, only the good die young!
You my friend are very stupid. There was proof of drugs in here body and No it was not ruled as "natural death" they ruled it is a damn suicide. Get your facts straight.
Jimmy Crack Corn

Des Moines, IA

#155 Jul 10, 2013
This mother is both heartbroken and nuts. The laws of probability do not support the mothers' allegations, and no matter how many times this woman claims someone murdered her daughter, it will never make it a fact. I predict this will only end when someone sues the parents and in open court they are shown to be paranoid, bordering on psychotic.

Since: Jun 11

Tampa

#156 Jul 10, 2013
bdndlv wrote:
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You my friend are very stupid. There was proof of drugs in here body and No it was not ruled as "natural death" they ruled it is a damn suicide. Get your facts straight.
Suicide. She killed her self. No one killed her . Her parents fueled her drug induced Paranoia. And they will kill them selves over this also.Grief does kill.
FROMOUTSIDE

Belleville, IL

#157 Jul 10, 2013
Truth seeker wrote:
Obviously you have no children, or your protecting someone! Once your child dies, all rules fly out the window! There is zero proof that she took any drugs! Talk about bending the the truth! Desperate for followers? And if it was an OD, why was it ruled as a natural death? You get more desperate by the post! Pathetic people, I PRAY that something this horrific befalls someone you love, so can eat your words!!!! Oh wait, only the good die young!
What a horrible thing to say to anyone for any reason. "Truth Seeker"~the name is a joke. Shame on you, you have no right to express something so ugly...Everyone has a right to their own opinion, but to make such a wish is pure evil. Get a life and go to church.
CCC

Sandpoint, ID

#158 Jul 10, 2013
Truth seeker wrote:
Obviously you have no children, or your protecting someone! Once your child dies, all rules fly out the window! There is zero proof that she took any drugs! Talk about bending the the truth! Desperate for followers? And if it was an OD, why was it ruled as a natural death? You get more desperate by the post! Pathetic people, I PRAY that something this horrific befalls someone you love, so can eat your words!!!! Oh wait, only the good die young!
You PRAY that something bad happens to others? Simply because you don't agree with what they wrote? That really sounds evil!! How about you PRAY and ask seek forgiveness from God for asking Him to bring bad to others. What kind of Truth Seeker are you?? Karma is real by the way.......
raiderfan

Phoenix, AZ

#159 Jul 10, 2013
I watched the Dr. Phil rebroadcast and have read EVERYTHING on the net about this case. It is horrible for all involved, but the mom comes across as delusional, with an inability to believe anything but what SHE sees as truth. I personally think it was an accident. Not murder or suicide. This so called "stalking" doesn't look like anything any of my 3 young adult children didn't deal with. However, what would a reinvestigation hurt? Attacking in public really makes the parents look ridiculous, like they are grasping at straws for closure. I'd probably do the same as the parents though, but not accuse people in public. Somehow it seems like guilt plays into this, maybe.
Saddad

New Bern, NC

#160 Jul 10, 2013
Truth seeker wrote:
Obviously you have no children, or your protecting someone! Once your child dies, all rules fly out the window! There is zero proof that she took any drugs! Talk about bending the the truth! Desperate for followers? And if it was an OD, why was it ruled as a natural death? You get more desperate by the post! Pathetic people, I PRAY that something this horrific befalls someone you love, so can eat your words!!!! Oh wait, only the good die young!
She OD'd on same meds she was previously prescribed. She'd had a fight with her mom. She was doing drugs...marijuana is an illegal drug. I pity and pray for Morgan's parents as they are blaming everyone but themselves.
Saddad

New Bern, NC

#161 Jul 10, 2013
Jimmy Crack Corn wrote:
This mother is both heartbroken and nuts. The laws of probability do not support the mothers' allegations, and no matter how many times this woman claims someone murdered her daughter, it will never make it a fact. I predict this will only end when someone sues the parents and in open court they are shown to be paranoid, bordering on psychotic.
Too big of a coincidence that she OD'd on same drug she was previously prescribed. Plus she was a pot head. I pity her parents. There is no proof of a crime except in the imagination of Morgan's parents. The Imgram's should accept reality and any responsibility they may have toward Morgan's suicide such as getting her and/or approving of her getting a pot RX
Not so fast

Fayetteville, AR

#162 Jul 12, 2013
Truth seeker wrote:
Obviously you have no children, or your protecting someone! Once your child dies, all rules fly out the window! There is zero proof that she took any drugs! Talk about bending the the truth! Desperate for followers? And if it was an OD, why was it ruled as a natural death? You get more desperate by the post! Pathetic people, I PRAY that something this horrific befalls someone you love, so can eat your words!!!! Oh wait, only the good die young!
@truthseeker - your words and your tone are not those of someone who simply seeks the truth, as you implied with your handle. I am a mother and I can't imagine loosing my daughter, I am in no way discrediting that; your ending comments are extremely disturbing though. Tit-For-Tat only exists in the Law of Retaliation.
-An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind-
Chuck1222

United States

#163 Jul 12, 2013
Can you say helicopter mom? A 20 year old, living at home with a 10:00PM curfew? Obviously the parents knew they had a problem. Now they are trying to blame anyone but themselves.

Obviously the mom is on this blog under several different names as the writing is exactly the same.
Friendly follower

Mount Morris, MI

#165 Aug 7, 2013
I was skeptical just from reading Morgan's moms blog, personal research and I think there is more to the story but not what the mom thinks. We may never know. The one uninformed item in this forum that bugs me is the marihuana issue, you can't OD on marihuana and it does not react negatively with other medications and to call her a pothead is childish. It's safer and cheaper than drinking alcohol (poison), which most of you do, leave that topic alone. But do look at all the facts all the time! And I wish the mom would make the thread about Morgan and not about her and the neighbors no teen is perfect. When the mother rights that she is editing the the timeline to include only whats relevant for the detectives she throws the case out right away. Let them decide what's relevant.
World

Saint Louis, MO

#166 Aug 18, 2013
Morgan Ingram was murdered.

Why?

She had 7,909 ng of Amitriptyline in her blood alone. 1,000 ng in the blood is lethal and 900 ng would have been enough to kill Morgan Ingram, a 115 pound girl.

After the pathologist changed the cause and manner of death several times, he said that Morgan Ingram died of Porphyria. This is impossible considering Amitriptyline is not used to treat Porphyria.

Another red flag was in the reports how it was stated Steve Ingram gave an old prescription from 2009 to the authorities the day Morgan was found. Some officer said it was sat down again and they had assumed it was what she took. The bottle was almost full. That makes no sense at all.

I can go on and on and on and at this point, I could bet on my life that she was murdered. By who, that is the big question. The fact that Keenan Vanginkel (the man that the Ingrams have insinuated is the stalker) didn't appear on Dr. Phil or take a lie detector test is very telling to me.
Clear Eyed Cat

Tuskegee, AL

#167 Sep 5, 2013
Please don't bet your life, World, you'd be a big old loser.

Morgan wasn't treated like a 20 year old. She was given a curfew (even before her "stalker" appeared) and she was expected to check in with her folks like a prisoner. Is it any wonder that she snuck out, snuck people in, called Mom a "*****" and tried desparately to cut those apron strings that just wound tigher and tighter.

Morgan wasn't murdered and didn't commit suicide. She escaped. I pray she has found the peace she deserves.

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