Betsy Long: Alleged wrong-way drunk driver is...

Jul 7, 2010 Full story: Westword 40

Elizabeth "Betsy" Long is accused of drunkenly driving the wrong way on I-25 and causing a crash that killed Mary Warren , a young CSU grad bound for the Peace Corps.

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Better Than You

Lynnwood, WA

#23 Nov 6, 2010
I've been driving drunk nearly every day for over seven years. I even got pulled over once and passed a roadside sobriety test so well that the cop thought the breathalizer was broken when I blew into it because it read so high he thought it was malfunctioning. What's the difference between me and people who do stuff like this girl did? My pattern of behavior doesn't change when I drink.

Regardless of whether I'm sober or wasted, I follow the rules of the road, I use my blinkers, I do the speed limit, etc. And even though I drink all the time - I still know my "limit". It's not the same as the legal limit, but I know when I absolutely can't drive. It's very clear to me.

And it's not just driving. It doesn't change my attitude toward sex or drugs, or anything for that matter. It just is.

Some people can handle their alcohol. Some can't, I guess.
Jared

Denver, CO

#24 Dec 2, 2010
Sober wrote:
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I hope she finds help and gets into AA. Drunk driving and accidents are not murder. An alcoholic never intends to hurt anyone. I will not judge the hypocrites, I know she will suffer with the guilt of taking life no matter what sentence she gets. Keep Coming Back.
I have to agree with you. I recently got out of treatment with Betsy and i'm currently in intensive out-patient with her. I give her rides every day to the facility. She is not in treatment to get a lowered sentence. She is in treatment because she needs help with her disease. alcoholism is a disease. She is an amazing person who feels an amazing amount of pain and regret for what she did. Im not saying she should get a free pass on what she did because it was extremely wrong, but this situation has nothing to do with me or any of you, so it needs to be left as such.
Jared

Denver, CO

#25 Dec 2, 2010
Dagoth wrote:
Her bail should have been set at attempt-to-dodge-a-bullet.
yours will be if you dont stfu.
I dont think so

Denver, CO

#26 Dec 2, 2010
Better Than You wrote:
I've been driving drunk nearly every day for over seven years. I even got pulled over once and passed a roadside sobriety test so well that the cop thought the breathalizer was broken when I blew into it because it read so high he thought it was malfunctioning. What's the difference between me and people who do stuff like this girl did? My pattern of behavior doesn't change when I drink.
Regardless of whether I'm sober or wasted, I follow the rules of the road, I use my blinkers, I do the speed limit, etc. And even though I drink all the time - I still know my "limit". It's not the same as the legal limit, but I know when I absolutely can't drive. It's very clear to me.
And it's not just driving. It doesn't change my attitude toward sex or drugs, or anything for that matter. It just is.
Some people can handle their alcohol. Some can't, I guess.
There are different forms of alcoholism. You are what is called a functioning alcoholic. Another, more common form is the binge drinker. My late husband was like you. He walked, he talked, he worked, he drove, all while drunk. He drank all the time. Called it maintenance drinking. Over time it took more and more to "maintain". Towards the end he was drinking 5 two liter bottles of vodka a week. At age 42 his liver quit. Yup, it just quit. He turned as yellow as a yield sign and 3 days later he was dead.

You might want to quit bragging and re-think your name. "Walking dead" might be a better name than "Better than you". Once you realize that the penalty for your lifestyle is death you might want to change that too.

“It's pronounced DAG-uth.”

Since: Jun 07

Windsor, CO

#27 Dec 2, 2010
Jared wrote:
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yours will be if you dont stfu.
Bring it.

“We're all screwed now”

Since: Jul 07

Colorado high country

#28 Dec 2, 2010
Dagoth wrote:
Her bail should have been set at attempt-to-dodge-a-bullet.
Are those still .49 cents, or has the recession increased the price?

Sad story indeed, no excuse for what happened. She made the choice, she needs to face the consequences.
Seems to me that two shining lights were snuffed out that day. Sad...(shaking head)

“We're all screwed now”

Since: Jul 07

Colorado high country

#29 Dec 2, 2010
Better Than You wrote:
I've been driving drunk nearly every day for over seven years. I even got pulled over once and passed a roadside sobriety test so well that the cop thought the breathalizer was broken when I blew into it because it read so high he thought it was malfunctioning. What's the difference between me and people who do stuff like this girl did? My pattern of behavior doesn't change when I drink.
Regardless of whether I'm sober or wasted, I follow the rules of the road, I use my blinkers, I do the speed limit, etc. And even though I drink all the time - I still know my "limit". It's not the same as the legal limit, but I know when I absolutely can't drive. It's very clear to me.
And it's not just driving. It doesn't change my attitude toward sex or drugs, or anything for that matter. It just is.
Some people can handle their alcohol. Some can't, I guess.
Makes me happy I don't live in Marysville.
Gringo Whiteycracker

Evergreen, CO

#30 Dec 2, 2010
cuttershelper wrote:
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Makes me happy I don't live in Marysville.
I wonder how many people this genius [better then who] has run off the road or injured and didn't even see it..When I was reading this I thought for sure he/she was going to say "I even drive with one eye closed so I don't see double".....This person is going to kill someone someday...And run...good thing Alcohol is illegal and so properly regulated and users closely monitored..OH yea ..and used responsibly...
Sniper

Evergreen, CO

#31 Dec 2, 2010
And yet drinking is so normal...its so safe...Its legal......everyone drinks and drives....whats the big deal..call it friendly fire ....or causalities of ladies night....whats the big deal....you can get the same booze on any corner or grocery store..you can get kids to buy it .there's bound to be a few causalities... who cares... Liquor store owners,,, Bartenders,,,,breweries,,, its all in good fun you know that..why should you make pot legal when you have something much more powerful to relax and unwind with..Nobody needs that evil weed .It barley gives you any buzz compared to booze..it only lasts an hour if its good..why bother.....We are all just fine happy and safe with just booze...thanks Captain Morgan.....

“It's pronounced DAG-uth.”

Since: Jun 07

Windsor, CO

#32 Dec 3, 2010
cuttershelper wrote:
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Are those still .49 cents, or has the recession increased the price?
Sad story indeed, no excuse for what happened. She made the choice, she needs to face the consequences.
Seems to me that two shining lights were snuffed out that day. Sad...(shaking head)
You know, I haven't looked lately. Maybe they're still 49 cents if you get the cheap military bulk stuff. Of course, I doubt the military uses 30-30s. At least, the Navy doesn't. HA! HA!

“It's pronounced DAG-uth.”

Since: Jun 07

Windsor, CO

#33 Dec 3, 2010
cuttershelper wrote:
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Makes me happy I don't live in Marysville.
Because I'm stationed in Everett and live in Lynnwood - not far from Marysville - that crap scares me. Makes me wonder how many drunks are on the road at any given moment that aren't driving erratically just then.

Of course, people in Washington don't know how to drive anyway. Can you believe they still freak out when it rains up here? It rains EVERY FREAKING DAY, PEOPLE!!! Oh, well. You can't always choose where you live, I guess...

You should have seen them when we got that "big" snowstorm last week. There were over 370 accidents in one county alone in 24 hours. I'm so glad I grew up in Colorado and learned how to drive in virtually every weather condition known to man.:-)
PVH Alum

Los Alamos, NM

#34 Dec 10, 2010
Wow! I can't believe everyone that wants blood. I know Betsy, I met her in treatment, and I think she is one of the most caring people I have met and is tortured by what she did. That being said my heart goes out to Mary and her family and I pray for them everyday. Alcoholism is a disease and it effects her different then most other people. Betsy changed my life and probably 50 other people I know, and it is because of her and what happened that helps keep me sober so it may have saved life's. I could still be out there driving my car blacking out and hitting someone and so could 50 other people. I am a very successful person and hold a very strong position in my community and could control everything in my life but my addiction. Thank God for Mary's sacrifice she should be praised, because of her I know she saved life's, Betsy was just a tool used by God. I have been on both sides of the fence and understand wanting her to go to prison for life but believe me when I say she does more good for the community telling her story then behind bars. God bless Mary, her family and everyone effected by this accident and God bless all the suffering addicts that will find peace. To me Mary is a hero and will never be forgotten and neither will Betsy.
PVH Alum

Los Alamos, NM

#35 Dec 10, 2010
Don't be so quick to judge. I hope Mary's family knows that through her death she has saved life's. My family(wife and son) are grateful to her and so am I. This is a tragic story which has help save my life and others. "We are not mistakes, we make mistakes."
Sniper

Evergreen, CO

#36 Dec 12, 2010
Its not a matter of judging mistakes.She killed someone...Drinking and driving is a choice.and a crime.She must be punished for committing a crime resulting in death..Its sad that she is such a nice person on the outside..But on the inside she is a criminal.She chose to party and drive over the safety of others...She chose to put others lives in danger..she belongs in prison..not on the streets..Its good that others will learn from her..by her doing life in prison..Others like her should see the punishment and learn from it..being lenient only shows thats its ok to do it and you can get away with killing someone because it was a mistake...or because she has a substance abuse problem....look at any bar tonight.see all those cars???..ALL of those people are going to drink and drive tonight..but thats ok they have drive through liquor stores in case they get thirsty..Drinking is acceptable..I wonder who will die tonight...I wonder who will cause it....
Joshua R

Denver, CO

#37 Dec 15, 2010
I personally know Elizabth and she is by far one of the nicest, most honest, most willing to change people I know. I had the chance to get to know her this summer and let me just say, what she has done by pleading out to all charges is taken accountability for who she is and where she is going. Elizabeth, I feed off your strength and the stand you are taking. Everyday I think of you and what you are going through and know that this storm is almost over for you. I applaud your honesty. I applaud your fight. Never be ashamed of who you are! Thank you so much for being apart of my life and my recovery!

Josh
Archie Bunker

Fort Lupton, CO

#38 Dec 15, 2010
She, is still someone, who made a decision to drink, get into her car, DRIVE VERY DRUNK for several miles, have not one but two accidents, the second which resulted in the death of a young woman.

Her admission to all charges doesn't change the fact that she killed someone, beause SHE MADE THE CHOICE TO GET DRUNK AND DRIVE!!!!!!!!!!

Edith Agrees
Sniper

Evergreen, CO

#39 Dec 15, 2010
People are always willing to change or find god AFTER they kill someone and get caught..Im lucky I was smart enough to quit before I made the same choice...I chose to do what I did[ I did it all,I am equally as guilty]..I believe Drinking is a choice... Blaming "Alcoholism" or "Substance abuse" is a cop out for people who cant or wont take responsibility for their commitment to partying. Its a choice , if you dont buy it ,you wont use it.....its a choice...nobody makes you..so many people use the term Alcoholic as a reason to keep drinking..Think about that..And why doesn't DARE dare the parents to not drink at all..Why is Mothers against drunk drivers not against drinking in the first place....Why do liquor adds and commercials say "drink responsibly" when there is no such thing..Drinking is for getting high and nothing else..What the hell is "drinking responsibly" ? Is getting s.h.i.t.f.a.c.e.d. responsible ???Do bartenders or liquor store owners care about Alcoholics ??/You bet they do .. its money in their pocket..Do they care if you drink and drive...Hell no..Its not part of their problem..You are suppose to drink responsibly..Everybody knows how easy it is to make correct choices after having a few...why should they care ..they just provide it to you..Does anybody else see the problem here ??? WHY DOES ALCOHOL EVEN EXIST ??? Why did someone die because of partying..legal partying..
crv

Avon, CO

#40 Jul 5, 2011
Archie Bunker wrote:
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QUIT MAKING EXCUSES!!!!!!!- She only began to care after she caused the accident, which took the life of a young woman.
Drinking and then getting into the car, inserting the key into the ignition, turning the switch, puting the gear shift lever into drive and then driving was HER CHOICE.
What she did was a choice!!!!! Alcoholism is not a disease. My dad was AN ALCOHOLIC. Not an everyday drinker but when he drank, did he drink. I'm old now, as my dad has been dead 41years.
Nothing but an excuse you are making and until the legal and court systems begin to hold people responsible, charge them with murder and/or attempted murder depending if there was a fatality, stop the plea bargains and SINGING KUMBAYA, people will or should think about THEIR CHOICES.
Catch you driving drunk, confiscate your car, sixty days in jail. I would rather my tax dollars be spent keeping you locked up, than given to THE ILLEGALS.
Penalties and punishment that carry real consequences. That will teach you responsibility for your choices.
Addiction is a disease whether it be alcohol or heroin, regardless addiction leads to cloudy, poor decisions and judgment that unfortunately leeds to sometimes fatal results. Nevertheless it is a disease regardless of the case at hand.

“As American as.......”

Since: Feb 11

Apple Pie

#41 Jul 5, 2011
crv wrote:
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Addiction is a disease whether it be alcohol or heroin, regardless addiction leads to cloudy, poor decisions and judgment that unfortunately leeds to sometimes fatal results. Nevertheless it is a disease regardless of the case at hand.
Yes, it is a disease. Now, who is the ONLY person who can choose to give in to the disease or conquer it? That's right boys and girls, it's the addict. Sometimes they need a little pursuasion. Sometimes they need a lot. That's what jails are for. The one's that didn't make the right choice with less pursuasion.

It's still a choice. Bad choices have bad consquences.

Since: Mar 11

Stay off my porch

#42 Jul 5, 2011
Disease or not ,penalty for doing the crime is the same..The law doesn't lesson the punishment because of psoriasis .. Any Diseased individual knows full well when they climb in to a car what the outcome could be..The disease doesn't block that out..When you get your drivers license its one of the things you learn..Being trashed doesn't remove that from your memory..

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