Fuel Prices Shift Math for Life in Far Suburbs

Jun 25, 2008 Full story: www.nytimes.com 16

Suddenly, the economics of American suburban life are under assault as skyrocketing energy prices inflate the costs of reaching, heating and cooling homes on the distant edges of metropolitan areas.

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“make mine a double, please”

Since: Sep 07

chicago

#1 Jun 25, 2008
suddenly?
duh, where have YOU guys been for the past 18 months?
well

Spring, TX

#2 Jun 25, 2008
Ken Lay has been dead almost two years and Jeffrey Skilling is several years into his 24 year prison sentence, but one legacy of the Enron era lives on. Itís the "Enron loophole," which exempts energy speculators who make trades electronically from US regulation. Some argue that the unregulated energy speculation, codified in 2000, can account for $20 to $25 in the jump in oil prices. But now, 8 years after energy traders were able to push legislation exempting their electronic trades of energy futures from US regulation, a measure in the Farm Bill aims to close the loophole and subject futures trades made electronically inside the United States to US law. http://www.closetheenronloophole.com/latestne...
John Harris

Eureka Springs, AR

#3 Jun 25, 2008
Very interesting post. I wonder if it is possible for "Arab" investors to pour money into the market for the single purpose of totally wrecking the economy of the United States.... Who would be any wiser? America moves on oil. Everything from transport of commodities to running our machines of war depend upon it.... Such a collapse of our economy could be the breeding ground of violent revolution and anarchy. Why wouldn't the Arabs desire that to happen? They have no Christian love for us.

“The future's not ...”

Since: May 08

... what it used to be.

#4 Jun 25, 2008
this article wrote:
With gasoline at more than $4 a gallon, Mr. Boyle recently paid $121 to fill his pickup truck with diesel fuel.
Does this guy really need to *commute* in a pickup truck ? Maybe in the 20th Century it was nice to have around the house if you needed it, but NOW, if he is thinking of ditching the suburbs because of commute cost, move on.

http://www.aptera.com/

http://www.teslamotors.com/

Get a 21st century vehicle soon. No more pickup trucks and SUV's.

Fuel isn't too expensive. People just waste too much. Don't tell me you *need* a 4 ton SUV, and then complain about the gasoline price. Cheap fuel was *so* 20th century. Welcome to the future.
TOM REGAN

Dallas, TX

#6 Jun 26, 2008
well wrote:
Ken Lay has been dead almost two years and Jeffrey Skilling is several years into his 24 year prison sentence, but one legacy of the Enron era lives on. Itís the "Enron loophole," which exempts energy speculators who make trades electronically from US regulation. Some argue that the unregulated energy speculation, codified in 2000, can account for $20 to $25 in the jump in oil prices. But now, 8 years after energy traders were able to push legislation exempting their electronic trades of energy futures from US regulation, a measure in the Farm Bill aims to close the loophole and subject futures trades made electronically inside the United States to US law. http://www.closetheenronloophole.com/latestne...
...to late, way to late now..

“Tell the Truth”

Since: Nov 07

Orlando, Florida

#7 Jun 26, 2008
Herodotus wrote:
<quoted text>
Does this guy really need to *commute* in a pickup truck ? Maybe in the 20th Century it was nice to have around the house if you needed it, but NOW, if he is thinking of ditching the suburbs because of commute cost, move on.
http://www.aptera.com/
http://www.teslamotors.com/
Get a 21st century vehicle soon. No more pickup trucks and SUV's.
Fuel isn't too expensive. People just waste too much. Don't tell me you *need* a 4 ton SUV, and then complain about the gasoline price. Cheap fuel was *so* 20th century. Welcome to the future.
No one needs an RV, boat, private jet, or limosine, but lots of people have them. No one needs multiple homes or big, energy- sucking mansions, but plenty of people have them.

Who are YOU to decide who is being wasteful?
Telmark

United States

#8 Jun 26, 2008
The average family, up until the late 1960s, had just one vehicle and one working parent. The working parent usually used public transportation to get to and from work while the car stayed at home only to be used once or twice a week. This was also a time when children walked to and from public schools that were located in their neighborhood.

Since then, working families have been forced to live in "bedroom" communities located far from city jobs due to increased inner city crime. This, coupled with ever increasing taxes and living expenses, has also forced these same families to become "dual" working parent households. This, in turn, has greatly increased fuel consumption in this country.

Inner city crime, and the desire of working families to get away from it, continues to be the number one reason for the huge growth of these "bedroom" communities across the nation.
Bull and Bunk

Coram, NY

#9 Jun 26, 2008
Since mandatory school busing went into effect in 1965 in NYC the schools buses have used 2,800,000,000 gallons of fuel. That's in NYC alone.

At 2008 prices that gas cost $12 billion dollars to bus children that could have walked to school.

Start holding your elected officials accountable for their energy waste. And stop taking lame excuses and giving in to misdirected class envy.
BelGazou

Stockton, CA

#10 Jun 26, 2008
We should have learned our lesson during the first fuel embargo of the '70's. We've had thirty years to come up with other forms of energy but our government has been so intertwined with big oil and big business, that very little was done. The car makers had to be forced to even make their cars more fuel-efficient. The oil companies have no real interest in developing alternative energy supplies. Exploiting what is left of the oil in and around the U.S. will not lower the price because the cost of the technology needed to extract what oil is left is just as high as the cost of foreign oil.

We need several forms of renewable energy products, more hybrid and alternate energy vehicles to both make us energy independent of the Middle East insane asylum and to create less pollution. Small, progressive countries such as Iceland have already started to use alternative-fueled vehicles. But we remain so stymied in the quagmire of big business interests, we are unable to make any significant changes.

“make mine a double, please”

Since: Sep 07

chicago

#11 Jun 26, 2008
Donna Atlanta GA wrote:
<quoted text>
No one needs an RV, boat, private jet, or limosine, but lots of people have them. No one needs multiple homes or big, energy- sucking mansions, but plenty of people have them.
Who are YOU to decide who is being wasteful?
YEAH!!!
you tell 'em donna!
Telmark

United States

#12 Jun 27, 2008
Quote;
"But we remain so stymied in the quagmire of big business interests, we are unable to make any significant changes."

Big government makes far more money from a gallon of gas than the big oil companies do.

“The future's not ...”

Since: May 08

... what it used to be.

#13 Jun 28, 2008
Donna Atlanta GA wrote:
No one needs an RV, boat, private jet, or limosine, but lots of people have them. No one needs multiple homes or big, energy- sucking mansions, but plenty of people have them.

Who are YOU to decide who is being wasteful?
I've had a Prius since 2004. I'm not the one freaking out over $4 gasoline. I expected it to hit $5 by 2010.

'Lots of people' had fuel guzzling toys last century. Times change. With Peak Oil, it will be hard enough getting fuel for things that *need* to get done, like farming and trucking necessities and commuting to work.

There will always be 'conspicuous consumption', but it will be a lot more expensive.

The market will decide who is being wasteful. The closed factories that used to make SUV's and pickup trucks have heard the early decisions...

Many people will decide it no longer makes sense to *commute* in a pickup truck. People who thought gasoline would *always* be around $1 or $2 will decide.

How are those limousine companies doing these days ?
BelGazou

Stockton, CA

#14 Jun 29, 2008
Telmark wrote:
Quote;
"But we remain so stymied in the quagmire of big business interests, we are unable to make any significant changes."
Big government makes far more money from a gallon of gas than the big oil companies do.
Big business and our government have become essentially one and the same. With all the tax exemptions big business has, it is the average citizen who pays their share for them.
BelGazou

Stockton, CA

#15 Jun 29, 2008
Herodotus wrote:
<quoted text>
I've had a Prius since 2004. I'm not the one freaking out over $4 gasoline. I expected it to hit $5 by 2010.
'Lots of people' had fuel guzzling toys last century. Times change. With Peak Oil, it will be hard enough getting fuel for things that *need* to get done, like farming and trucking necessities and commuting to work.
There will always be 'conspicuous consumption', but it will be a lot more expensive.
The market will decide who is being wasteful. The closed factories that used to make SUV's and pickup trucks have heard the early decisions...
Many people will decide it no longer makes sense to *commute* in a pickup truck. People who thought gasoline would *always* be around $1 or $2 will decide.
How are those limousine companies doing these days ?
Real wages in this country has been dropping for years. The ranks of the middle-class have been dwindling while the ranks of those with moderate and low incomes have soared; there has been a small increase in those making the highest incomes. A greater slice of the American pie is now going to the top 1% of the U.S. population. Sales of luxury items remain stable while mid-range priced retailers decline in favor of a surge in sales for the discount retailers.

“It's a Brand New Day”

Since: Feb 06

New Rochelle

#16 Jul 2, 2008
Telmark wrote:
The average family, up until the late 1960s, had just one vehicle and one working parent. The working parent usually used public transportation to get to and from work while the car stayed at home only to be used once or twice a week. This was also a time when children walked to and from public schools that were located in their neighborhood.
Since then, working families have been forced to live in "bedroom" communities located far from city jobs due to increased inner city crime. This, coupled with ever increasing taxes and living expenses, has also forced these same families to become "dual" working parent households. This, in turn, has greatly increased fuel consumption in this country.
Inner city crime, and the desire of working families to get away from it, continues to be the number one reason for the huge growth of these "bedroom" communities across the nation.
Thank you, Dick Nixon.
Stagflation lives. Now, the kids will have to work, as well as the spouse.
Thankyou George Bush.
BelGazou

Stockton, CA

#17 Jul 22, 2008
Mr_Bill wrote:
<quoted text>
Thank you, Dick Nixon.
Stagflation lives. Now, the kids will have to work, as well as the spouse.
Thankyou George Bush.
We are returning to the good old days of the robber barons and we are beginning to look more and more like a third world country. Real wages continue to slide, the middle-class declines as the top 1% of the population gets richer than ever (dig those salaries and severance packages for corporate bigwigs). The cost of food is the highest that it has ever been. We are constantly hearing about food-borne pathogens because the Reagan/Baby Bush administrations have both curtailed inspections by the FDA in favor of the "honor system" for food producers. We are in hock to China to fund the Iraq war while we are awash in China's toxic, shoddy goods.

Child labor is sure to make a comeback although there may not be enough jobs for them.

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