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No comes the posts where I am heartless and have no compassion for people because I believe in American values as they were written in our founding… The liberal left always uses the emotional tactic of bashing and demonizing those who love the INDIVIDUAL freedoms we enjoy and so many fought and died for, and loathe the calling for said individuals to exercise their freedom and have self-reliance to live and prosper in our Country with LIMITED government, as our founders designed.

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You do recall the congress was republican right? Clinton was riding the Reagan wave and took credit for the economic prosperity… Clinton did raise taxes which slowed growth and he passed the Community Reinvestment Act which, as we all know, in the housing crash of 2008. Don’t forget Bush started the bailouts in 2008 and that WAS THE WRONG decision.
Ronald Reagan raised taxes 11 times. Reagan, HUD scandal cost to taxpayers $160 billion. Reagan S&L scandal cost to taxpayers 1 trillion.Billions wasted on star wars. Championed by Reagan and the Republicans leveraged buyouts. It's killing American jobs for many so a very small number can get stick-en super rich. How do you blame Clinton for Community Reinvestment Act when republican controlled both houses of congress?
Republicans worked with Clinton nothing like that now...
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“Why don't you tell me how denying a child with down syndrome medical care so insurance stock holders make more money provides liberty for every individual American?” Because the parents of that child can CHOOSE the medical steps on their own… They can choose from the numerous charities, other medical organizations that can help their child, or even just go to emergency care and get treatment… Liberty allows choice… Obamacare will drastically reduce choice.
ER care cost far more. Charities are already short on cash.
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“A child born today in Cuba or Croatia has better odds of reaching adulthood then a child born in the United States the riches country in the world. Tell me how that provides liberty for every individual American?” You need to cite these statistics, because this statement seems false.
It is really simple. Check child mortality rate of united states to other countries. Give ya a hint our rate is higher.America has the highest maternal mortality rate of any industrialized country.
Read more: http://www.upi.com/Health_News/2012/07/27/Why...

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No comes the posts where I am heartless and have no compassion for people because I believe in American values as they were written in our founding…
No you don't!!!
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The liberal left always uses the emotional tactic of bashing and demonizing those who love the INDIVIDUAL freedoms we enjoy and so many fought and died for, and loathe the calling for said individuals to exercise their freedom and have self-reliance to live and prosper in our Country with LIMITED government, as our founders designed.
Watch the next few posts and see.
Government is instituted for the common good; for the protection, safety, prosperity, and happiness of the people; and not for profit, honor, or private interest of any one man, family, or class of men; therefore, the people alone have an incontestable, unalienable, and indefeasible right to institute government; and to reform, alter, or totally change the same, when their protection, safety, prosperity, and happiness require it.

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Let us not forget how the Roman Republic evolved into an empirical system. We are going the same way...

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Ronald Reagan raised taxes 11 times. Reagan, HUD scandal cost to taxpayers $160 billion. Reagan S&L scandal cost to taxpayers 1 trillion.Billions wasted on star wars. Championed by Reagan and the Republicans leveraged buyouts. It's killing American jobs for many so a very small number can get stick-en super rich. How do you blame Clinton for Community Reinvestment Act when republican controlled both houses of congress?
Republicans worked with Clinton nothing like that now...
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ER care cost far more. Charities are already short on cash.
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It is really simple. Check child mortality rate of united states to other countries. Give ya a hint our rate is higher.America has the highest maternal mortality rate of any industrialized country.
Read more: http://www.upi.com/Health_News/2012/07/27/Why...
“Ronald Reagan raised taxes 11 times.” He effectively reduced the nuber of tax margins to 4 (SIMPLIFYING THE TAX CODE) allowing Americans to reap rewards for hard work.
“Reagan, HUD scandal cost to taxpayers $160 billion. Reagan S&L scandal cost to taxpayers 1 trillion.” Cite sources… The S&L crisis was caused by a great deal more than ANYTHING Reagan did.

“Billions wasted on star wars. Championed by Reagan and the Republicans leveraged buyouts. It's killing American jobs for many so a very small number can get stick-en super rich.” Cite specifically what your talking about.

“How do you blame Clinton for Community Reinvestment Act when republican controlled both houses of congress?
Republicans worked with Clinton nothing like that now...”

The Community Reinvestment Act, Pub.L. 95–128, title VIII, 91 Stat. 1147 was passed in 1977… The democrats held a majority in both the House, the Senate, as well as the White House… The democrats held the majority when Clinton took office and the majority of the changes made to the law was done during that time… BY DEMOCRATS.

“ER care cost far more.” ER care was SUBSIDIZED by Federal government for the losses accrued.

“Charities are already short on cash.” Do you suppose that’s because of high unemployment and NOW higher taxation?

“It is really simple. Check child mortality rate of united states to other countries.”

I read propaganda without stats..

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No you don't!!!
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Government is instituted for the common good; for the protection, safety, prosperity, and happiness of the people; and not for profit, honor, or private interest of any one man, family, or class of men; therefore, the people alone have an incontestable, unalienable, and indefeasible right to institute government; and to reform, alter, or totally change the same, when their protection, safety, prosperity, and happiness require it.
John Adams, Thoughts on Government, 1776
Let us not forget how the Roman Republic evolved into an empirical system. We are going the same way...
Are you saying I don’t believe in American Values, or than I don’t believe in your socialist values? I assure you it’s the ladder.

“Government is instituted for the common good; for the protection, safety, prosperity, and happiness of the people; and not for profit, honor, or private interest of any one man, family, or class of men; therefore, the people alone have an incontestable, unalienable, and indefeasible right to institute government; and to reform, alter, or totally change the same, when their protection, safety, prosperity, and happiness require it.” NOW, explain how OBAMACARE accomplishes our liberties in THAT respect?

“Let us not forget how the Roman Republic evolved into an empirical system. We are going the same way...” Agreed, much more now that we foolishly added 4 more years.

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Are you saying I don’t believe in American Values, or than I don’t believe in your socialist values? I assure you it’s the ladder.
“Government is instituted for the common good; for the protection, safety, prosperity, and happiness of the people; and not for profit, honor, or private interest of any one man, family, or class of men; therefore, the people alone have an incontestable, unalienable, and indefeasible right to institute government; and to reform, alter, or totally change the same, when their protection, safety, prosperity, and happiness require it.” NOW, explain how OBAMACARE accomplishes our liberties in THAT respect?
“Let us not forget how the Roman Republic evolved into an empirical system. We are going the same way...” Agreed, much more now that we foolishly added 4 more years.
You already know why. Many posts between us on this. No time for the waste of time that is you.

Maybe the republican house will rename 60 more post offices this year. That will fix everything... NOT...

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You already know why. Many posts between us on this. No time for the waste of time that is you.
Maybe the republican house will rename 60 more post offices this year. That will fix everything... NOT...
That’s what I thought! Rhetoric always distracts from the real issue.

The truth is, our Country will survive and thrive if her people hold tight to the American ideals as they are described in the Declaration of Independence and our Constitution and that’s NOT determined by party, only by Americans, what ever their affiliation… Historically, and in present especially democrats have the tendency to lean left and push socialism and republicans lean right and mostly support American ideals.

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That’s what I thought! Rhetoric always distracts from the real issue.
The truth is, our Country will survive and thrive if her people hold tight to the American ideals as they are described in the Declaration of Independence and our Constitution and that’s NOT determined by party, only by Americans, what ever their affiliation… Historically, and in present especially democrats have the tendency to lean left and push socialism and republicans lean right and mostly support American ideals.
ROFLMAO,That's conservative bubble talk.

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ROFLMAO,That's conservative bubble talk.
It’s observable… G.W. Bush reduced tax rates for ALL Americans (an AMERICAN value imposed) and the leftists called it a “tax cut for the rich”. He also started the nations Bailouts… Was that a RIGHT WING REPUBLICAN thing to do? Yet none of the criticism from the right came out in mainstream media and the left certainly didn’t say anything because it forms to their socialist ideals.
It’s amazing to me the values you hold yet you never state it straight out… Why is that?

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It’s observable… G.W. Bush reduced tax rates for ALL Americans (an AMERICAN value imposed) and the leftists called it a “tax cut for the rich”. He also started the nations Bailouts… Was that a RIGHT WING REPUBLICAN thing to do? Yet none of the criticism from the right came out in mainstream media and the left certainly didn’t say anything because it forms to their socialist ideals.
It’s amazing to me the values you hold yet you never state it straight out… Why is that?
Excuse me for butting in. I can't take any more of this. I thought your values come from the Bible? Which is it, the Bible or the Government?
It is amazing how the Bible thumpers in America champion GREED!! There is a huge difference between freedom to do as you please and freedom to charge $1,782 for one prescription for one month. I love going to parties with my x-wife where all are Catholic and all are Republican. I listen to them talk about their rights to screw people with their business tactics and then proudly talk about how much they gave to charity. It always seems to work out to the exact amount to put them in the best tax spot. Which means that the Government is paying for their donations. To me that is not in the spirit of giving.

You are confusing greed with freedom. You are living in the past. All things that start out for the good of man end up in the hands of the people who exploit them for the good of themselves. Our American system is the best one for fighting this ever present problem but it is loosing the battle due to those who buy in to this ridiculous "Poor little rich guy" theory. Reagonomics started this current phase of propaganda. The tools that are winning minds and souls are the media, and Religion.

I realize this sounds childish and silly but that is the level talks must be at since things have come full circle and started over again with new tools. The huge fundamental religious influx growing out of the place I was born (Colorado Springs) is recognized by the greedy who are exploiting it for personal gain. Not to mention all of the restrictions to my FREEDOM coming from this fundamentalist movement.

Look back at the things you have written and think about how many of the things you say place restrictions on those who would chose not to agree with you. You are stating that Obama is bringing about Socialistic programs while the truth is the fundamentalist religious groups are running my freedom into the ground.

Let charities help the poor? Give me a break! People don't want rent for a month or two, they want an even play ground to go out and make their own rent or house payment. If every person that has the ability to make their way on an even platform truely had one, the rich would have no one left to wash their feet.

The thing that bothers me the most is being told that I am a socialist. This pi*se* me off!!! Their is no connection between a Socialist:

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b: a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state

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: a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done

And socializing a program for a term necessary to find a way for it to be Capitalized without exploitation. Some things simply do not belong in the hands of people who's agenda is to make a profit. Health care is one of those things.

What do you think non-profit charities are in the first place? They are socialized programs!!!

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Mar 22, 2013
 
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Believe me when I say I have such compassion for you for not gaining insurance but the idea that GOVERNMENT can provide you better than American charitable organizations, or private industry when through out history government WASTE is the cause of our 16.7 trillion dollar debt. I have misplaced faith and if you believe OBAMACARE will solve your problem without removing liberties from you and other Americans then your line of thinking is very faulty.
Reagan turned around a very poor economy and reduced inflation faster than ANY economist could have EVER imagined… Now we must remember he was only the president and our system of government could have allowed so much more but didn’t because of the ideological differences within Congress. You can be very assured that WITHOUT Reagan a balanced budget would not have happened for Clinton.
There is a huge difference between you and I… I being a Constitutional American, one who believes in the sovereign individual “endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.” and you, the Liberal Left American, who believes GOVERNMENT is the ultimate force in causing equality, charity, and providing health care for all… That falls way outside the design of our founding.
You have me completely wrong!!! The proof is simple. READ THIS ORIGONAL POST AND THINK OF WHY I STARTED IT!!!

You and I are the same with the same wishes. We simply disagree on which is the lesser of two evils. I have more faith in our elected government than you do. You have more faith in large groups of people than I do.

I believe in our government. You believe in big buisness. The corperate agenda is profit. The elected government agenda is dictated by US...YOU AND ME!!! Although the bad guys ruin it's ability to function at the level that would satisfy ALL OF THE PEOPLE.

At least the excepted agenda's show which one we should want to handle our health care. One agenda is to satisfy the people. The other agenda is profit. One is elected by the people giving me a say in what it does. The other is run by people who own pieces of it and only they have a say in what it does. I do not have any say. SO WHICH IS MY OBVIOUS CHOICE???

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Mar 22, 2013
 
I had a stroke and just got out of the hospital. Undoubtedly I will miss the level of care I received when the social programs of Obama care come into effect. Still, it is more important that more people get care than I get a huge single room with everything you can imagine in it.

Loll It was great!!! I would move in full time today if I could:):)

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“Excuse me for butting in. I can't take any more of this. I thought your values come from the Bible? Which is it, the Bible or the Government?” My values do come from the Bible and American values came from these same values. You do understand where our rights and liberties come from first, and they don’t come from government.
“It is amazing how the Bible thumpers in America champion GREED!! There is a huge difference between freedom to do as you please and freedom to charge $1,782 for one prescription for one month. I love going to parties with my x-wife where all are Catholic and all are Republican. I listen to them talk about their rights to screw people with their business tactics and then proudly talk about how much they gave to charity. It always seems to work out to the exact amount to put them in the best tax spot. Which means that the Government is paying for their donations. To me that is not in the spirit of giving.” Understood… Humanity is cursed with hypocrisy, evil, and nothing good because it’s a fallen world. I thank God for who He is that good can shine in this world.

“You are confusing greed with freedom. You are living in the past. All things that start out for the good of man end up in the hands of the people who exploit them for the good of themselves. Our American system is the best one for fighting this ever present problem but it is loosing the battle due to those who buy in to this ridiculous "Poor little rich guy" theory. Reagonomics started this current phase of propaganda. The tools that are winning minds and souls are the media, and Religion.” I can’t agree for the very reason that freedom affords each and every American opportunity to be successful or to fail. Do you believe ALL men are greedy? If so then why trust the government more than a corporation?

“I realize this sounds childish and silly but that is the level talks must be at since things have come full circle and started over again with new tools. The huge fundamental religious influx growing out of the place I was born (Colorado Springs) is recognized by the greedy who are exploiting it for personal gain. Not to mention all of the restrictions to my FREEDOM coming from this fundamentalist movement.” You will need to show examples of what you’re talking about… You really should be worried about OBAMACARE as it goes into full affect next year. Many insurance premiums will double because of the law, illnesses will have to be evaluated to treat, and medical choices will be made by government.

“Look back at the things you have written and think about how many of the things you say place restrictions on those who would chose not to agree with you. You are stating that Obama is bringing about Socialistic programs while the truth is the fundamentalist religious groups are running my freedom into the ground.” I have given examples of socialism by Obama, the largest being the bought car industry and OBAMACARE, will you please provide example of what you’re speaking of?

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“Let charities help the poor? Give me a break! People don't want rent for a month or two, they want an even play ground to go out and make their own rent or house payment. If every person that has the ability to make their way on an even platform truely had one, the rich would have no one left to wash their feet.” Not sure what you’re saying here, but charities get a great deal more done for much less money that the federal government ever has… KATRINA, where private charities where there long before any government, is a great example.
“The thing that bothers me the most is being told that I am a socialist. This pi*se* me off!!! Their is no connection between a Socialist:
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: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
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a: a system of society or group living in which there is no private property
b: a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
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: a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done”
If you supported the AUTO buy out or Obamacare then these do in fact fall under that definition.
“And socializing a program for a term necessary to find a way for it to be Capitalized without exploitation. Some things simply do not belong in the hands of people who's agenda is to make a profit. Health care is one of those things.”
PROFIT = SUSTAINABILITY
“What do you think non-profit charities are in the first place? They are socialized programs!!!” Not private ones. Charities exist because of the kind individuals who provide resources to them BY CHOICE. With government, you have no choice. I don’t like my tax dollars paying for abortions, and our government FORCES me to do so.

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Mar 22, 2013
 
Kawalski wrote:
<quoted text>You have me completely wrong!!! The proof is simple. READ THIS ORIGONAL POST AND THINK OF WHY I STARTED IT!!!
You and I are the same with the same wishes. We simply disagree on which is the lesser of two evils. I have more faith in our elected government than you do. You have more faith in large groups of people than I do.
I believe in our government. You believe in big buisness. The corperate agenda is profit. The elected government agenda is dictated by US...YOU AND ME!!! Although the bad guys ruin it's ability to function at the level that would satisfy ALL OF THE PEOPLE.
At least the excepted agenda's show which one we should want to handle our health care. One agenda is to satisfy the people. The other agenda is profit. One is elected by the people giving me a say in what it does. The other is run by people who own pieces of it and only they have a say in what it does. I do not have any say. SO WHICH IS MY OBVIOUS CHOICE???
No, you believe in government and I believe in the MARKET mechanism… The reason I don’t say FREE MARKET is because we all know our market never has been, nor will it ever be a FULL FREE market… But limited government is best for optimum growth of wealth.
Like I asked you before if you believe ALL people suffer from greed then why trust the government?
AND finally… Health care will not survive without profit… PROFIT=SUSTAINABILTY.
Our government doesn’t exist without the PRIVATE SECTOR.

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Mar 23, 2013
 
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“Let charities help the poor? Give me a break! People don't want rent for a month or two, they want an even play ground to go out and make their own rent or house payment. If every person that has the ability to make their way on an even platform truely had one, the rich would have no one left to wash their feet.” Not sure what you’re saying here, but charities get a great deal more done for much less money that the federal government ever has… KATRINA, where private charities where there long before any government, is a great example.
“The thing that bothers me the most is being told that I am a socialist. This pi*se* me off!!! Their is no connection between a Socialist:
1
: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
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a: a system of society or group living in which there is no private property
b: a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
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: a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done”
If you supported the AUTO buy out or Obamacare then these do in fact fall under that definition.
“And socializing a program for a term necessary to find a way for it to be Capitalized without exploitation. Some things simply do not belong in the hands of people who's agenda is to make a profit. Health care is one of those things.”
PROFIT = SUSTAINABILITY
“What do you think non-profit charities are in the first place? They are socialized programs!!!” Not private ones. Charities exist because of the kind individuals who provide resources to them BY CHOICE. With government, you have no choice. I don’t like my tax dollars paying for abortions, and our government FORCES me to do so.
Marxist socialism is, what was being practiced by all of the countries that we call "Communist".......

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No, you believe in government and I believe in the MARKET mechanism… The reason I don’t say FREE MARKET is because we all know our market never has been, nor will it ever be a FULL FREE market… But limited government is best for optimum growth of wealth.
Like I asked you before if you believe ALL people suffer from greed then why trust the government?
AND finally… Health care will not survive without profit… PROFIT=SUSTAINABILTY.
Our government doesn’t exist without the PRIVATE SECTOR.
What are you talking about? What health care? I didn't see any health care at all untill I finally got MEDICARE!!! So where was the "Profit health care" when I needed it? Oh yes, it was out there covering people who don't get sick!!! PROFIT!!!

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<quoted text>What are you talking about? What health care? I didn't see any health care at all untill I finally got MEDICARE!!! So where was the "Profit health care" when I needed it? Oh yes, it was out there covering people who don't get sick!!! PROFIT!!!
I’m glad you have MEDICARE, however government has put that program at risk for years and now Obamacare, from what a gather will commandeer much of Medicare’s funding… AGAIN causing a slow but assured bankrupted system… Because it is producing NOTHING to sustain itself…

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I’m glad you have MEDICARE, however government has put that program at risk for years and now Obamacare, from what a gather will commandeer much of Medicare’s funding… AGAIN causing a slow but assured bankrupted system… Because it is producing NOTHING to sustain itself…
No worries mate George Bush fixed it with two unfunded wars an unfunded Medicare prescription drug plan and an unfunded super duper tax cut for those making millions or more.

And whats the new plan from the republicans O-goody more unfunded tax breaks for the super rich. Medicaid voucher and school vouchers with the end game being complete dismantle of Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security programs.

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