Civil unions clear Colo. Legislature, head to gov

Mar 12, 2013 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: SavannahNow

Civil unions for gay couples was a rallying cry for Democrats who took control of the Colorado House in last year's elections and vowed an early vote on the proposal.

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They call traditional marriage protectors bigots because ad hominem arguments work best to persuade low information voters. In the universe of reason, ad hominem arguments are fallacies.
Same sex marriage is bad because it's based on falsehood.
Actually Brian......it is folks like you with the falsehoods trying anything to get someone to listen to you, but the bottom line is that my legal marriage has NO AFFECT on you or anyone else and my marriage is currently being treated as a 2nd class marriage because it's not recognized by the federal government and is not given the same rights, benefits and privileges that other legal marriages are in this Country!!!

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Changing marriage law changes the law for everyone, not just homosexuals. There is no orientation test for marriage.

Even singles would be harmed by same sex marriage. Same sex marriage is bad because its supporters don't want to think about the consequences of their actions.

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Changing marriage law changes the law for everyone, not just homosexuals. There is no orientation test for marriage.
Even singles would be harmed by same sex marriage. Same sex marriage is bad because its supporters don't want to think about the consequences of their actions.
Again, how does allowing Gays and Lesbians the right to marry the person of their choosing harm singles? and exactly what consequences will their be if supporters continue to support the right to marry for Same-Sex Couples?

Will you continue to re-post the same comments if for whatever reason SCOTUS doesn't see things your way with regards to both DOMA and Prop8?
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Again, how does allowing Gays and Lesbians the right to marry the person of their choosing harm singles? and exactly what consequences will their be if supporters continue to support the right to marry for Same-Sex Couples?
Will you continue to re-post the same comments if for whatever reason SCOTUS doesn't see things your way with regards to both DOMA and Prop8?
That boy Brian is,simply put,Bat shyte Crazy! Although I will say he's come up with some pretty good bumper sticker humor! And does he ever think through what he posts,before hand,totally devoid of any logic or critical thought? They are entertaining in a funny,ha,ha,kind of way! Poor boy!

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That boy Brian is,simply put,Bat shyte Crazy! Although I will say he's come up with some pretty good bumper sticker humor! And does he ever think through what he posts,before hand,totally devoid of any logic or critical thought? They are entertaining in a funny,ha,ha,kind of way! Poor boy!
I think Brian just loves to re-post his silly comments.......because some are void of any real logic!!!

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Again, how does allowing Gays and Lesbians the right to marry the person of their choosing harm singles?
It diminishes their number and political power. Same sex marriage is bad because it helps disenfranchise singles.

We have many common interests, gender segregated marriage supporters say husband/wife marriage is privileged by government subsidy. Singles share that concern because they don't benefit from that 'marriage subsidy' too. Conservatives want to reform subsidies, simplify and reduce taxes and regulation; while understanding marriage benefits government with the next generation of taxpayers.

Reform entitlements not redefine marriage.
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and exactly what consequences will their be if supporters continue to support the right to marry for Same-Sex Couples?
More wasteful government spending, intrusive regulation, new court suits related to marriage and higher taxes are the inevitable results of same sex marriage.

Same sex marriage is bad because it us big government oppressing our culture to satisfy a political minority group and its allies on the left.
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Will you continue to re-post the same comments if for whatever reason SCOTUS doesn't see things your way with regards to both DOMA and Prop8?
I'll petition for a marriage protection amendment if the SCOTUS misrules on same sex marriage. I suggest you do the same if you lose.

Marriage isn't for everybody; sometimes people can't get along and one side is defeated. Reality; tough love.

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"[A]llowing Gays and Lesbians the right to marry the person of their choosing harm['s]" everyone if that person doesn't consent, is a close relative, already married or deceased. Same sex marriage is bad because "allowing [anybody] the right to marry the person of their choosing" is bad; we have standards that must not be destroyed.

If they win gender segregation marriage today they'll come after marriage consent tomorrow; that's phase two. That or incest marriage, polygamy, necrophilia marriage or something far worse...

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<quoted text>It diminishes their number and political power. Same sex marriage is bad because it helps disenfranchise singles.
We have many common interests, gender segregated marriage supporters say husband/wife marriage is privileged by government subsidy. Singles share that concern because they don't benefit from that 'marriage subsidy' too. Conservatives want to reform subsidies, simplify and reduce taxes and regulation; while understanding marriage benefits government with the next generation of taxpayers.
Reform entitlements not redefine marriage.
<quoted text>More wasteful government spending, intrusive regulation, new court suits related to marriage and higher taxes are the inevitable results of same sex marriage.
Same sex marriage is bad because it us big government oppressing our culture to satisfy a political minority group and its allies on the left.
<quoted text>I'll petition for a marriage protection amendment if the SCOTUS misrules on same sex marriage. I suggest you do the same if you lose.
Marriage isn't for everybody; sometimes people can't get along and one side is defeated. Reality; tough love.
Sorry Brian, but it does no such thing.........you really come up with some radical bat shyte crazy crap.......almost as nutty as the proponents of Prop 8!!!

What the hell is a Marriage Protection Amendment? or is that a fancy way of saying a Constitutional Amendment to make marriage only a heterosexual right?

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"[A]llowing Gays and Lesbians the right to marry the person of their choosing harm['s]" everyone if that person doesn't consent, is a close relative, already married or deceased. Same sex marriage is bad because "allowing [anybody] the right to marry the person of their choosing" is bad; we have standards that must not be destroyed.
If they win gender segregation marriage today they'll come after marriage consent tomorrow; that's phase two. That or incest marriage, polygamy, necrophilia marriage or something far worse...
Really Brian......round and round you go.......and this post is just as ridiculous now as it was the first time you posted it.

An straight man can't marry ANY woman he wants to just because he has chosen one.......the straight woman MUST also want to marry the man......it's called consent......and it applies to Gays and Lesbians as well!!!

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Really Brian......round and round you go.......and this post is just as ridiculous now as it was the first time you posted it. An straight man can't marry ANY woman he wants to just because he has chosen one.......the straight woman MUST also want to marry the man......it's called consent......and it applies to Gays and Lesbians as well!!!
The left will tell you they value consent today because they are fighting to destroy the gender integration and diversity marriage value now. If they win, you can bet your bottom dollar consent will be the next to go; that or polygamy or something far worse.

If you don't like forced marriage keep marriage male/female.

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They call traditional marriage protectors bigots because ad hominem arguments work best to persuade low information voters. In the universe of reason, ad hominem arguments are fallacies.
Same sex marriage is bad because it's based on falsehood.
Actually we call you bigots because you ARE bigots.

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Changing marriage law changes the law for everyone, not just homosexuals. There is no orientation test for marriage.
Even singles would be harmed by same sex marriage. Same sex marriage is bad because its supporters don't want to think about the consequences of their actions.
And yet you can't specify how allowing same-sex couples to marry changes the marriage law for opposite-sex couples.

How are single people harmed by same-sex couples getting married that's any different from the current situation with opposite-sex couples marrying?

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<quoted text>It diminishes their number and political power. Same sex marriage is bad because it helps disenfranchise singles.
We have many common interests, gender segregated marriage supporters say husband/wife marriage is privileged by government subsidy. Singles share that concern because they don't benefit from that 'marriage subsidy' too. Conservatives want to reform subsidies, simplify and reduce taxes and regulation; while understanding marriage benefits government with the next generation of taxpayers.
Reform entitlements not redefine marriage.
<quoted text>More wasteful government spending, intrusive regulation, new court suits related to marriage and higher taxes are the inevitable results of same sex marriage.
Same sex marriage is bad because it us big government oppressing our culture to satisfy a political minority group and its allies on the left.
<quoted text>I'll petition for a marriage protection amendment if the SCOTUS misrules on same sex marriage. I suggest you do the same if you lose.
Marriage isn't for everybody; sometimes people can't get along and one side is defeated. Reality; tough love.
Then opposite-sex marriage is even MORE harmful to single people because it disenfranchises ever MORE people.

Feel free to work on a federal marriage amendment; good luck gettin 2/3rd of Congress & 38 states to ratify it. That should keep you busy for the next few decades......

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"[A]llowing Gays and Lesbians the right to marry the person of their choosing harm['s]" everyone if that person doesn't consent, is a close relative, already married or deceased. Same sex marriage is bad because "allowing [anybody] the right to marry the person of their choosing" is bad; we have standards that must not be destroyed.
If they win gender segregation marriage today they'll come after marriage consent tomorrow; that's phase two. That or incest marriage, polygamy, necrophilia marriage or something far worse...
Oooooh, more scary rhetoric, just like those opposed to inter-racial marriages....

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<quoted text>The left will tell you they value consent today because they are fighting to destroy the gender integration and diversity marriage value now. If they win, you can bet your bottom dollar consent will be the next to go; that or polygamy or something far worse.
If you don't like forced marriage keep marriage male/female.
How can anyone be forced to marry?

You're really reaching now.

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<quoted text>The left will tell you they value consent today because they are fighting to destroy the gender integration and diversity marriage value now. If they win, you can bet your bottom dollar consent will be the next to go; that or polygamy or something far worse.
If you don't like forced marriage keep marriage male/female.
Sorry, but all you are posting is a lot of hype and nothing else......no one is removing consent from anything and by allowing Gays and Lesbians the right to marry is not removing any gender segregation because opposite-sex couples are still allowed to get married!!!

Again, THERE IS NO FORCED MARRIAGES NOW......so how is allowing a group of individuals a right to marry going to change that?

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They call traditional marriage protectors bigots because ad hominem arguments work best to persuade low information voters. In the universe of reason, ad hominem arguments are fallacies.
Same sex marriage is bad because it's based on falsehood.
So if you thought it fine and dandy to discriminate against someone for the color of their skin and I called you a racist for it, then I would be in the wrong for stating the obvious?

I made a number of valid arguments; all of which you ignored entirely. One thing you are being clear as day about though, is that you support second class citizenship for gay couples.

I don't care what your beliefs are. If you cannot respect that I am an equal under the law and deserving of the very same rights that you have, then I could not find any other word to describe such a worldview other than "bigoted". With that said, my intention is not to somehow discredit you though name calling. Rather, I would like to raise your attention to it with the hope it might give you pause to reconsider your position.

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...More wasteful government spending, intrusive regulation, new court suits related to marriage and higher taxes are the inevitable results of same sex marriage...
So... you're argument here boils down to one thing: you consider offering gay couples the same marital benefits we pay for through taxes "wasteful government spending"? Now that is some seriously twisted logic.

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"[A]llowing Gays and Lesbians the right to marry the person of their choosing harm['s]" everyone if that person doesn't consent, is a close relative, already married or deceased. Same sex marriage is bad because "allowing [anybody] the right to marry the person of their choosing" is bad; we have standards that must not be destroyed.
If they win gender segregation marriage today they'll come after marriage consent tomorrow; that's phase two. That or incest marriage, polygamy, necrophilia marriage or something far worse...
Then I propose the definition of marriage for legal purposes is the following:

"Marriage is the familial union between two otherwise unrelated adults in a relationship characterized by monogamy."

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So if you thought it fine and dandy to discriminate against someone for the color of their skin and I called you a racist for it, then I would be in the wrong for stating the obvious?
I made a number of valid arguments; all of which you ignored entirely. One thing you are being clear as day about though, is that you support second class citizenship for gay couples.
I don't care what your beliefs are. If you cannot respect that I am an equal under the law and deserving of the very same rights that you have, then I could not find any other word to describe such a worldview other than "bigoted". With that said, my intention is not to somehow discredit you though name calling. Rather, I would like to raise your attention to it with the hope it might give you pause to reconsider your position.
Same sex marriage isn't about equality, homosexuals have always married under the same laws as everyone else. I've cited Oscar Wilde and Meredith Baxter as two examples. There is no orientation test for a marriage license. Every states allow homosexuals to cohabit while some states make polygamists felons. There is no ban on religious same sex marriage when many states make adult brother/sister marriage a felony. Homosexuals aren't second class citizens but some same sex marriage supporters want the special right to rewrite marriage law for all.

Same sex marriage is bad because it harms gays.

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